CZ POLL Should Jason Garrett be fired?

[stiletto]

Is there a vote to ban the 50+ dopes who say to keep Garrett? Get those hammerheads outta here too! LOL

 

[haleyrules]

LOL!

I got a little paranoid reading that post from Reality

 

[Aven8]

Here's a coach who had a horrendous owner and gm (sound familiar) and his first 5 seasons were

6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11

Goes by the name Bill Belichik. I understand not all the circumstances are the same but there's a reason why every coach that comes through here may have a good season or two but ultimately they're a flash in the pan and that's due to a bad owner and/or GM. In our case it happens to be both. Same with the Jets, Bills, etc. You've got to cut the head off the snake which is Jerry. Every now and then Jerry may catch lightning in a bottle but ultimately he has no idea how to build a team.

Dude I love that song 'Georgia' you sang it was awesome! 'Hit the road Jack' was my favorite however! Thanks for that.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Lots of arm chair QB’s on this board.

Just curious, what color is the sky in this magical world you live in where Garrett actually wins things like playoff games?

Just curious.

 

[diefree666]

And again, Jerry Jones is holding this team back much more than JG. Look what the Eagles added to their roster in the past two years both in the draft an FA then look at us. When their players go down they have the depth or go out and get someone (ie Ajayi). When our players go down we plug in a hobbled LB or a turnstile or rookie mid round secondary players. Thankyou Jerry Jones.

So that is the LATEST excuse not to fire Garrett?

 

[Setackin]

The “No” voters are making a come back! 8.7% with 51 votes lol only 470 something to go!

 

[Setackin]

I think I'm the last holdout. I have been steady in saying give Garrett time to fix it but I think I'm finally done. Him marinelli and linehan all can go. And hell if Dak is only good with Zeke and can't do nothing by himself he can go too for all i care

Ur weren’t the last 51 others.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I like where this is going

 

[aria]

So that is the LATEST excuse not to fire Garrett?

In my opinion it's one of many reasons not to fire him this year and in case you haven't noticed pretty much every topic in the main forum is some sort of excuse that varies every week from play to play, coach to coach, game to game. But yes, it's my excuse not to fire JG and I would say the same thing if the next greatest latest coach came in here and started off with two losing seasons (with an exception here and there). Money aside, I feel bad for anyone who coaches this team as long as Jerry is alive.

 

[Trouty]

Here's a coach who had a horrendous owner and gm (sound familiar) and his first 5 seasons were

6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11

Goes by the name Bill Belichik. I understand not all the circumstances are the same but there's a reason why every coach that comes through here may have a good season or two but ultimately they're a flash in the pan and that's due to a bad owner and/or GM. In our case it happens to be both. Same with the Jets, Bills, etc. You've got to cut the head off the snake which is Jerry. Every now and then Jerry may catch lightning in a bottle but ultimately he has no idea how to build a team.

BB was actually a savant before he reached CLE (2x SB winner as DC for the Giants, schematic force behind LT). But once there, he turned the franchise around. It was a one-win team before he arrived. He had the GOAT coaching staff (Newsome, Saban, and others were amongst it).

CLE's last PO victory was with BB at the helm, against none other than the Pats. His last season doesn't count, as that was amidst their move from Cleveland to Baltimore.

This narrative that BB "failed in CLE" is so off base (not directed at you, Aria).

 

[pansophy]

Is there a vote to ban the 50+ dopes who say to keep Garrett? Get those hammerheads outta here too! LOL

We've had a bunch of coaches here with similar up and down results. I personally think it is our player philosophy that is the root problem. We go for high reward players that have either character or injury problems. When those players are on the field we are indeed championship level, and when they are out -- which is often -- we don't have much depth behind them and falter.

We drafted Frederick and Martin not because we executed some genius plan, but because we were unable to execute the trade that we wanted and these were our fallback guys. Imagine if we just picked solid players instead of trying to hit home runs.

 

[DallasEast]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/should-jason-garrett-be-fired.391473/page-15#post-7716629

I... I just... I just wanted to say that I love you all! 20 pages! WOO HOO!

 

[ShortRound]

lol, sorry this thread needs this

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

So did the poll work??

Is he fired yet?

He is in my dreams. We just won the SB.

 

[waldoputty]

We've had a bunch of coaches here with similar up and down results. I personally think it is our player philosophy that is the root problem. We go for high reward players that have either character or injury problems. When those players are on the field we are indeed championship level, and when they are out -- which is often -- we don't have much depth behind them and falter.

We drafted Frederick and Martin not because we executed some genius plan, but because we were unable to execute the trade that we wanted and these were our fallback guys. Imagine if we just picked solid players instead of trying to hit home runs.

carr and mo in dallas - ok performance
carr and mo after dallas - top 10 rated DBs
sounds like the coaches and their prevent scheme to me.

 

[waldoputty]

So that is the LATEST excuse not to fire Garrett?

i think i have seen:
1 more year - what? 7 not enough?
jerry's fault - how do you explain DBs magically improving (top 10 ratings) after leaving Dallas. jerry also does not coach.
not enough good players - coaches had lots of input in drafting and FA. remember marinelli's guy - ivie? lol

did i miss anything else?

 

[aria]

BB was actually a savant before he reached CLE (2x SB winner as DC for the Giants, schematic force behind LT). But once there, he turned the franchise around. It was a one-win team before he arrived. He had the GOAT coaching staff (Newsome, Saban, and others were amongst it).

CLE's last PO victory was with BB at the helm, against none other than the Pats. His last season doesn't count, as that was amidst their move from Cleveland to Baltimore.

This narrative that BB "failed in CLE" is so off base (not directed at you, Aria).

You have to ruin everything for me!

Regardless plenty of other highly thought of coaches didn't start off too well and minus the year Romo was out (and this year with Zeke, a struggling 2nd year qb, our best defensive player, o lineman, etc) he has done pretty well recently.

Also something I failed to mention were the three seasons he went 8-8, didn't he lose the last game each year to the Skins, Giants and Eagles for the division? I'm not saying that makes it easier, in some ways it could be worse, but it shows how competitive the NFCE was at the time and each of those 3 years we were one win away in the last game of the season from going to the playoffs. None of the other teams coukd say that. At least he was there and had a chance 3 years in a row. I don't recall exactly how close each game was or perhaps it came down to turnovers but I doubt every game was solely on his coaching. He very well could have gone to the playoffs a total of 5 of 7 years with one of those years missing due to Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel. In the grand scheme of things he hasn't been nearly as bad as some people make him seem.

I could honestly see him going to another team and, as usual, everyone here will be jumping up and down with joy and once he gets there he will be more successful. Why? For the same reason people complain we let players walk only to see them do much better on other teams (allegedly due to coaching) I could see JG doing better without Jerry Jones in the way and then, then maybe some of you will realize what and who the real problem is here.

Keep your thoughts to yourself Trouty

 

[Alexander]

Is there a vote to ban the 50+ dopes who say to keep Garrett? Get those hammerheads outta here too! LOL

I am not angry at those people.

I would just like to hear them intellectually explain why keeping him is a good idea.

And no, I don't mean use the idiotic coach the year defense.

 

[aria]

i think i have seen:
1 more year - what? 7 not enough?
jerry's fault - how do you explain DBs magically improving (top 10 ratings) after leaving Dallas. jerry also does not coach.
not enough good players - coaches had lots of input in drafting and FA. remember marinelli's guy - ivie? lol

did i miss anything else?

I won't sit here and defend Marinelli like Garrett and I think if there's one legitimate reason to get on JG it's due to Marinelli (if indeed that's a 100% JG choice and not Jerry choice; anyone know the facts on that?).

Maybe the DB's are coaching or maybe it's because their surrounded by better players, not just in the secondary but pass rush. We had zero pass rush last year, nothing. When qb's have all day to throw the db's are going to break down, no matter how good they are. That's just one example I can think of off the top of my head but I don't think this miraculous turnaround is all due to coaching on different teams.

You're right, Jerry doesn't coach but he thinks he does. He also doesn't GM but he thinks he does. He also doesn't do what most owners should do but he thinks he does.

I already explained why 7 isn't enough and why his record is deceptive. You think the coaches have "that" much input in the draft? That's laughable, it was always the Jerry show and them it became the Jerry and Stephen show with some outside input (thankfully).

It almost sounds as if you're defending Jerry, I hope not.

 

[Idgit]

It was tech jargon and it will definitely lose what little humor it had if explained

Why would Garrett want to ruin the mall, though?