CZ POLL Should Jason Garrett be fired?

[rpntex]

I am not angry at those people.

I would just like to hear them intellectually explain why keeping him is a good idea.

And no, I don't mean use the idiotic coach the year defense.

I’ll tell you my reason for wanting to keep him.

What does firing him accomplish on its own? In my opinion, Garrett is far down the list of problems with this team. There is an old saying that says “you can’t win with bad coaching, but you can lose with good coaching” (sorry, I don’t have a source). It’s tough to explain 12-4 and 13-3 if that phrase has any validity.

The only way I could see firing him if it gets down to him truly losing the locker room. When a coach has that happen, it’s time for a change.

 

[rpntex]

If you continued reading you would see I addressed them. In case you missed it, I don't put a lot of stock in ANY coaches first 1-2 seasons. Same goes for players. Just like I like Dak but I didn't anoint him the next coming of Joe Montana like 90% of people here did last year. There are too many variables. If we judged everyone off the first few seasons few all tume great qb's, coaches, etc would never have een successful. It's also why I mentioned Jimmy Johnsons first two seasons were losers, Parcells was barely above .500.

I also went into detail about the playoff records.

Actually, it’s not really fair to judge a coach until his 3rd full season (or even later, depending what he “inherited “ from his predecessor. After all, there is a reason the average contract length is 5 years.

 

[waldoputty]

I’ll tell you my reason for wanting to keep him.

What does firing him accomplish on its own? In my opinion, Garrett is far down the list of problems with this team. There is an old saying that says “you can’t win with bad coaching, but you can lose with good coaching” (sorry, I don’t have a source). It’s tough to explain 12-4 and 13-3 if that phrase has any validity.

The only way I could see firing him if it gets down to him truly losing the locker room. When a coach has that happen, it’s time for a change.

Summary of Why Garrett Must Go - When we won, it was because of overwhelming talent. When talent suffers, we get disaster - so he is great at tanking to bring in talent.

1. Lack of game adjustments - And that includes adjusting to the opponent's half time adjustments. Also fail to fix problems from game to game - Aaron Rodgers took advantage of the defensive rotation 2 years in a row in the playoffs? Because our defense refuses to adjust to the problem - how incredibly stupid is that? You can blame Marinelli, but does Garrett know/do nothing. Just claps and does not work with the DC??? Jimmy Johnson would never have allowed that. They allowed Green to give up a record number of sacks in one game and Dak has played much worse recently (any correlation?). Time management mistakes keep occurring with no plan to do better. Playcalling had to be taken away from him.
2. Makes players worse - The defense put the players in a position to fail. Play DBs 10 yards back is insane. Good QBs pick it apart.
3. Cannot diagnose defensive problems - They literally blamed the DBs for failure instead of recognizing it is the scheme or pass rush etc. They then sold management to the point that Stephen Jones bad mouthed the players they allowed to leave, only to have these players play much better for other teams.
4. Cannot recognize DB talent - Carr and Mo became top 10 rated after leaving - so they cannot recognize what they had. We blame it on Marinelli - but what then does Garrett do - does he know nothing while the DC is incompetent? Furthermore, they allowed Carr and Mo to leave for pretty low $ contracts that would have been bargains - particularly given their performance as top 10 DBs now.
5. Blame game culture - Garrett is never at fault... Garrett sold management about the failure of the defense being the DBs, not the scheme and coaching. Garrett throws Dak under the bus. Garrett makes excuses about time management failures in interviews that were so ridiculous that Jerry Jones corrected those comments afterwards.
6. Allows Marinelli to control drafting talent - Watt was no good because he does not fit perfectly into the scheme. Mcclay was put in place to referee between scouting and coaches. It appears Marinelli vetoed based on his scheme.
7. Time management disasters and no apparent attempt to address these definitively
8. What exactly does Garrett do. He is not a x and o guy. He lets Marinelli run the defense. Linehan calls the offense plays. The only thing left is designing the offense - but that has not changed much recently. What does Garrett do? Chief cheerleader clapper? Culture police? We have people for working with difficult players.
9. Lack of passion in solving problems - problems happen and do not get addressed. Time management, being tricked by Rodgers, Marinelli's failures. What HC would allow these failures to continue? Garrett does.
10 During the draft, when a D pick is coming up. Marinelli is there talking to FO, not Garrett. Same with O picks - Garrett does not seemed involved either. What is his role? Would Jimmy Johnson be so standoffish? Jimmy would be frantically studying players and running the show. Garrett seems to just coast - He may just be a lazy politician.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Summary of Why Garrett Must Go - When we won, it was because of overwhelming talent. When talent suffers, we get disaster - so he is great at tanking to bring in talent.

1. Lack of game adjustments - And that includes adjusting to the opponent's half time adjustments. Also fail to fix problems from game to game - Aaron Rodgers took advantage of the defensive rotation 2 years in a row in the playoffs? Because our defense refuses to adjust to the problem - how incredibly stupid is that? You can blame Marinelli, but does Garrett know/do nothing. Just claps and does not work with the DC??? Jimmy Johnson would never have allowed that. They allowed Green to give up a record number of sacks in one game and Dak has played much worse recently (any correlation?). Time management mistakes keep occurring with no plan to do better. Playcalling had to be taken away from him.
2. Makes players worse - The defense put the players in a position to fail. Play DBs 10 yards back is insane. Good QBs pick it apart.
3. Cannot diagnose defensive problems - They literally blamed the DBs for failure instead of recognizing it is the scheme or pass rush etc. They then sold management to the point that Stephen Jones bad mouthed the players they allowed to leave, only to have these players play much better for other teams.
4. Cannot recognize DB talent - Carr and Mo became top 10 rated after leaving - so they cannot recognize what they had. We blame it on Marinelli - but what then does Garrett do - does he know nothing while the DC is incompetent? Furthermore, they allowed Carr and Mo to leave for pretty low $ contracts that would have been bargains - particularly given their performance as top 10 DBs now.
5. Blame game culture - Garrett is never at fault... Garrett sold management about the failure of the defense being the DBs, not the scheme and coaching. Garrett throws Dak under the bus. Garrett makes excuses about time management failures in interviews that were so ridiculous that Jerry Jones corrected those comments afterwards.
6. Allows Marinelli to control drafting talent - Watt was no good because he does not fit perfectly into the scheme. Mcclay was put in place to referee between scouting and coaches. It appears Marinelli vetoed based on his scheme.
7. Time management disasters and no apparent attempt to address these definitively

 

[Zman5]

Why would Garrett want to ruin the mall, though?

He's mad because they kicked him out for spitting and clapping too loudly in the stores.
There are rumors his wife is thinking of kicking him out of the bedroom for the same reasons.

 

[Rockport]

I mean, isn’t that what we do? Talk, discuss, praise, scrutinize our club?

??

What else is the point of this forum? You don’t have to agree or disagree with posters, but lighten up on the condescending tone, brother.

Or don’t, whatevs.

The amount of ignorance is here is unbelievable. Not just this thread, but there are others wanting Dak to be benched, Zeke to be let go, Lee to be traded, Romo to be villanized, and on and on and on. It seems the majority here revel in the losses. They can’t wait for the team to lose some they can come here with glee on their faces and whine. Then when someone points it out like me they get their panties tied up in a wad. I’ve never seen more quitters concentrated at one place.

 

[Rockport]

Just curious, what color is the sky in this magical world you live in where Garrett actually wins things like playoff games?

Just curious.

Here is a classic post representing the ignorant arm chair fans here. If the only person in the Cowboy organization that deserves blame is the GM/owner. The players aren’t going to play for someone who came out so hard against Kapernecki.

 

[BobSacamano]

My friend George Costanza...well a friend of a friend I should say as we never met in person...recently bumped his elbow on a table. Now his arm jerks involuntarily. He thinks he has Jason Garretts disease. Any board certified cowboyszone board persons would like to weigh in?

 

[diefree666]

Here is a classic post representing the ignorant arm chair fans here. If the only person in the Cowboy organization that deserves blame is the GM/owner. The players aren’t going to play for someone who came out so hard against Kapernecki.

Your tin foil hat really needs some modifications

 

[Stash]

Don’t like the message, so you attack the messenger?

I guess 1 playoff win in seven years is good according to you, but don’t get pissy because everybody else doesn’t support such mediocrity.

That's what he does. He attacks fellow fans.

 

[diefree666]

I won't sit here and defend Marinelli like Garrett and I think if there's one legitimate reason to get on JG it's due to Marinelli (if indeed that's a 100% JG choice and not Jerry choice; anyone know the facts on that?).

Maybe the DB's are coaching or maybe it's because their surrounded by better players, not just in the secondary but pass rush. We had zero pass rush last year, nothing. When qb's have all day to throw the db's are going to break down, no matter how good they are. That's just one example I can think of off the top of my head but I don't think this miraculous turnaround is all due to coaching on different teams.

You're right, Jerry doesn't coach but he thinks he does. He also doesn't GM but he thinks he does. He also doesn't do what most owners should do but he thinks he does.

I already explained why 7 isn't enough and why his record is deceptive. You think the coaches have "that" much input in the draft? That's laughable, it was always the Jerry show and them it became the Jerry and Stephen show with some outside input (thankfully).

It almost sounds as if you're defending Jerry, I hope not.

bottom line with you is there will never be enough time to truly evaluate Garrett. Your one more year keeps going YEAR AFTER YEAR.

Just admit that you will NEVER be in favor of firing him no matter what.

 

[Stash]

I mean, isn’t that what we do? Talk, discuss, praise, scrutinize our club?

??

What else is the point of this forum? You don’t have to agree or disagree with posters, but lighten up on the condescending tone, brother.

Or don’t, whatevs.

That's all he's good for. To attack his fellow posters. Take note of his posts. That's all they ever bring.

 

[Stash]

I am not angry at those people.

I would just like to hear them intellectually explain why keeping him is a good idea.

And no, I don't mean use the idiotic coach the year defense.

They'll go with fear of the unknown for $200 Alex.

Or they'll blame Jerry as if that somehow absolves Garrett of his share.

 

[aria]

bottom line with you is there will never be enough time to truly evaluate Garrett. Your one more year keeps going YEAR AFTER YEAR.

Just admit that you will NEVER be in favor of firing him no matter what.

Nope, wrong again. I've already stated in this thread I will be in favor of firing him next year if he doesn't get at least 10 wins ASSUMING that fool Jerry finally adds some depth and half the starters that mean anything aren't suspended or injured.

 

[Alexander]

Nope, wrong again. I've already stated in this thread I will be in favor of firing him next year if he doesn't get at least 10 wins ASSUMING that fool Jerry finally adds some depth and half the starters that mean anything aren't suspended or injured.

So what if there are injuries or suspensions once again that provide an out?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I mean how many first and second year coaches have to pass the Dallas Cowboys before people realize Garrett's process shouldn't last 7 or 8 years and counting? This year it's Pederson and McVay.

 

[cowboy_ron]

My friend George Costanza...well a friend of a friend I should say as we never met in person...recently bumped his elbow on a table. Now his arm jerks involuntarily. He thinks he has Jason Garretts disease. Any board certified cowboyszone board persons would like to weigh in?

lol, good one

 

[aria]

So what if there are injuries or suspensions once again that provide an out?

I understand every team will have injuries and maybe even some suspensions but if another 3-4 Pro Bowlers, including our starting RB, LT, Linebacker, DE, etc are out for any length of time then I wouldn't/couldn't endorse firing him. Most coaches wouldn't have as good as success if that happened on their team and probably no coach would have success if they had the lack of depth we do.

Seriously, we have a LB who runs like a cheetah on 3 broken legs and looks lost on the field. A fine Jerry pick, another dumb risk he took that many supported. A back up tackle that is a turnstile. An almost entire rookie secondary that is plagued with inexperience and injuries. A QB who some were praising last year and are now saying he's over rated and can't throw.

These aren't just convenient excuses, they're real problems created by Jerry.

 

[Tass]

then maybe some of you will realize what and who the real problem is here.

Oh, we KNOW who the real problem is.

Unfortunately he owns the team so nothing can be done about it.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Oh, we KNOW who the real problem is.

Unfortunately he owns the team so nothing can be done about it.

Exactly. It isn't like the ones that want Garrett gone aren't aware that we have one of the worse GM's in football. Nothing can be done about that.