JustChip
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Yep. Like T. J. Watt.
Should we trade Micah?
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DaleMc
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I say yes, trade him. If you care a Parson's winning a championship then you trade him because he will not get one here, just like D-Ware had to leave to get one. Second, this team isn't going to cut it so why not get what you can for a rebuildd.
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I've seen references to the Raiders trading Mack to the Bears and wanted to briefly revisit.
Depending on how you value Mack, the trade wasn't lopsided-- remember, the Bears also received a 2nd and 7th.
Understanding the value the Bears and Raiders placed on Mack helps us approximate Micah's value.
(draft value pts are approximate below)
Bears Traded: (1811pts)
2019 1st (pick 24) | DV 740pts
2019 6th (Pick 196) | DV 11pts
2020 1st (Pick 19 | DV 875pts
2020 3rd (Pick 81) | DV 185pts
Raiders Traded (471pts + Khalil)
Mack
2020 2nd (Pick 43) | DV 470pts
2020 7th (Pick 226) | DV 1pts
On the surface, Mack's value seemed to be around 1300-1400 points on the trade value chart, but exact values were unclear since the trade occurred in September 2018 and 1-2 seasons still had to play out before the picks would occur.
Because of this, I'm assuming both the Raiders and Bears relied on recent draft history to estimate fair value range.
If that assumption is correct, I have to imagine the Raiders assumed a higher return due to the Bears struggles in previous seasons.
So for this exercise, I am going to assume that the Raiders and Bears valued Mack closer to his original 5th overall pick value of 1700pts despite the fact that he was entering his 5th year option season.
Depending on how you value Mack, the trade wasn't lopsided-- remember, the Bears also received a 2nd and 7th.
Understanding the value the Bears and Raiders placed on Mack helps us approximate Micah's value.
(draft value pts are approximate below)
Bears Traded: (1811pts)
2019 1st (pick 24) | DV 740pts
2019 6th (Pick 196) | DV 11pts
2020 1st (Pick 19 | DV 875pts
2020 3rd (Pick 81) | DV 185pts
Raiders Traded (471pts + Khalil)
Mack
2020 2nd (Pick 43) | DV 470pts
2020 7th (Pick 226) | DV 1pts
On the surface, Mack's value seemed to be around 1300-1400 points on the trade value chart, but exact values were unclear since the trade occurred in September 2018 and 1-2 seasons still had to play out before the picks would occur.
Because of this, I'm assuming both the Raiders and Bears relied on recent draft history to estimate fair value range.
If that assumption is correct, I have to imagine the Raiders assumed a higher return due to the Bears struggles in previous seasons.
So for this exercise, I am going to assume that the Raiders and Bears valued Mack closer to his original 5th overall pick value of 1700pts despite the fact that he was entering his 5th year option season.
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Ntegrase96
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From this I estimate that Micah is probably worth between 1300 and 1700pts on the draft value chart.
This roughly translates to:
- Mid 1st / Mid 2nd
- 2 Low 1sts
However, Mack was holding out before his 5th year option season while Micah is just midway through year 4.
All this to say, I believe they have similar values.
This is not a perfect exercise as there are a lot of assumptions and I frankly do not know how teams place draft value on currently rostered players.
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ITs a moving target because you do not know what a teams draft position will be either this coming year or next.
Bluntly speaking with as many needs as this team has IF YOU TRULY WANT TO CONTEND FOR A SB
then if we can get two firsts for Micah I think we have to look hard at it. IF we could get 2 firsts without losing our own so that we have three and also our second, I would do it because then for losing one player we have a shot at getting FOUR quality players
EDIT: forgot the other first would be next years but STILL I WOULD DO IT
Doubt we can get that much for him; especially with our negotiation 'team'
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I like Parsons and Lamb and in different circumstances I would keep them. But we need the draft picks more and we cant afford to extend Parsons and clear Daks dead money. We can only afford rookie contracts
Having 6 x 1st round picks* over the next couple of years is what the new HC will need to rebuild the team. We may need to use multiple picks to get the best QB in the drafr.
*2 each from trading Lamb and Parsons plus our normal picks.
Having 6 x 1st round picks* over the next couple of years is what the new HC will need to rebuild the team. We may need to use multiple picks to get the best QB in the drafr.
*2 each from trading Lamb and Parsons plus our normal picks.
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Yeah it's really tricky to assess.
I would actually be okay compromising on the value a bit. For example, I would take a 1st and 2nd from Baltimore even though they'll pick late and the value projects to be only around 700-900pts.
There are other similar targets out there like Reddick and maybe even Myles Garrett.
I'd rather the dunces not wait for the perfect value and negotiate themselves into keeping Micah.
All in all, I think we're already in the middle of Micah's 'peak' and paying him would result in a Zeke situation. Just a waste for us.
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Don't be silly.
Sewell is at least Top3 left tackle in the game...if not the best.
As more valuable than Micah straight up
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I agree but can we fleece the other side? Detroit owes us for the Roy Williams trade
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That's not going to happen! Nobody is giving up that kind of draft capital anytime soon for an average at best edge rusher. The NFL is a copycat league that has figured out how to neutralize Parsons with double teams or chipping TEs & RBs or more times than not, just running their running plays right at him. Parsons isn't the beast that he used to be, which is why QBs are having great days against our defense. The Cowboys have leaned so hard on Parsons since he came into the league, that he's finally showing A LOT of wear and tear AND he's only 25 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the Prescott situation rearing it's ugly head, I'm not sure Parsons wants to stay here after his contract obligations are done. I'm sure he'd like to win a couple of championships before he quits the game for his Pod Casts, but that's not happening if Prescott is QBing.
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The fact we’re less than 100 hours from the trade deadline and not a single team has traded their first round pick in 2025 and 2026, and 29 teams have 2nd round picks in 2025 it is safe to assume all 32 teams value their draft picks more than even two or thee years ago.
The days of trading multiple early round draft picks is over. Almost all teams that have done it in recent years regret it. Teams throw 1st and 2nd round draft picks around like they’re manhole covers now. Parsons is not going to garner anything more than a third, maybe two thirds, and he’d have to be signed to an extension before that would happen.
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Really good point about no one moving high picks right now, but I don't know if it's enough of a trend to say trading high picks is a thing of the past.
It's all pointless to speculate over anyway. Parsons is going to get paid in Dallas. This FO doesn't have that kind of foresight and has not gotten a premium pick for a player ever. They don't know how to cut bait until it's too late.
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What headache? The fact that he has a podcast? I'd rather that than he be at clubs all the time and getting suspended
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all you need is one stupid GM like the Vikings had when Jimmy sodomized him
gtb1943
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I would rather he play well in all facets of the game and shut up.
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I think I would take it; the panthers pick would almost be a first rd one.
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Yes, trade him immediately.
The Bears have two 2nd round picks and need someone besides Sweat to rush the passer.
If they would give their 1st this year plus pick 33 the first pick of the second round. I wouldn't even think twice about that decision.
The Cowboys need excess draft capital. They have way to many holes on this roster to fill in one draft, without obtaining more picks.
If you don't have to pay Parsons 35 million a year, you can add 3 or 4 good players in FA.
The Bears have two 2nd round picks and need someone besides Sweat to rush the passer.
If they would give their 1st this year plus pick 33 the first pick of the second round. I wouldn't even think twice about that decision.
The Cowboys need excess draft capital. They have way to many holes on this roster to fill in one draft, without obtaining more picks.
If you don't have to pay Parsons 35 million a year, you can add 3 or 4 good players in FA.