SI.com Truth & Rumor: Dallas shipping off J. Jones

[Danny White]

It might be interesting to grab Michael Bush on Day 2 and sit him for the entire year next year to let him heal up... then let JJ play out his last year, and if he doesn't show something, let him walk. If JJ does look good, then you've got a "good problem" with an abundance of backs.

 

[Wrangler87]

I can only see Julius traded if say one of the teams in round one miss out on Lynch-(Cal)..either Green Bay or Titans...and want to offer up their # 1 for Jones...even so..who backs up Barber then? Thompson? I dont want that to happen.

What about Cleveland? If they take Quinn, like many seem to have settled on, than they will certainly be looking for RB like Jones. Cleveland could be a suitor.

 

[superpunk]

having him overly concerned about negative yardage runs and fumbles.

God forbid. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I hear ya.... who knows really? I did say "perhaps?"

Lets hope he can show something this year.

I DID like his play in Seattle game after getting antagonized. He RESPONDED. HE RESPONDED WHEN IT MATTERED. (thats bigger than any stats for me)

I would like to see some consistency with THAT!

I agree but once again why did BP not affect him in that game as well as some other games? I think it just gets old blaming the HC for the players own shortcomings. This is Jones job and his responsibility to take care of his job. As a person Jones seems to be a very good guy and very good teammate with the Cowboys and I would love to see him have a great season but right now I still have some doubts, hopefully he will put those doubts to rest.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I agree but once again why did BP not affect him in that game as well as some other games? I think it just gets old blaming the HC for the players own shortcomings. This is Jones job and his responsibility to take care of his job. As a person Jones seems to be a very good guy and very good teammate with the Cowboys and I would love to see him have a great season but right now I still have some doubts, hopefully he will put those doubts to rest.

Its not often we agree... but I agree with the latter part of your post. The former is "unknown".

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Poor Julius. Just like Parcells ruined Curtis Martin, Joe Morris and O.J. Anderson.

I agree Parcells stressed the negatives a little too much, but if a guy is a great runner that stuff won't bother him. Julius has to take responsibility for his poor performances. Last year, he was for the most part a "pile-seeking RB".

I would love to trade Julius on draft day. I wish we would have done it last year, as rumored, and took Maroney with the 20th pick.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Poor Julius. Just like Parcells ruined Curtis Martin, Joe Morris and O.J. Anderson.

I agree Parcells stressed the negatives a little too much, but if a guy is a great runner that stuff won't bother him. Julius has to take responsibility for his poor performances. Last year, he was for the most part a "pile-seeking RB".

I would love to trade Julius on draft day. I wish we would have done it last year, as rumored, and took Maroney with the 20th pick.

Ok... now I am mad.
Maroney is an exciting/productive player. Runs like the Dickens...

 

[Apollo Creed]

The Seattle game was his to take over, they were giving up the run and taking our receivers away the entire game. He should've gone for 200 yards against that vanilla run defense they were running. He just doesn't look like the same back, psychologically I think BP ruined him. Lets give him one more year under a less antagonistic coach and then decide if hes not worth it.

A 3rd round pick is def not worth me watching him become a playmaker somewhere else, that would hurt worse than watching him plow into piles and running directly into safeties.

 

[ethiostar]

If he runs like he has the past couple of seasons, I would not mind shopping him. And don't start showing me stats, I can read.

I mean missing holes and running straight into his blockers with little or no vision.

However, I feel that Parcells restricted him by always having him overly concerned about negative yardage runs and fumbles.

I want to find out if that was the case.

If he runs the same way this season, then I think we can do better.

I agree with you. As far as i'm concerned, almost everyone on the team gets a clean slate this year, especially on defence. I want to see what everyone has in a new scheme and a coach with a different approach to players. Spears, Canty, J. Jones, Roy, Carpenter, Hatcher, Ellis, Fasano, Hoyte, and yes even Brady James .

A clearer picture of thier ability and 'fit' in the new system should emerge during the coming season and that should be the basis we use to evaluate players currently on the roster.

 

[WV Cowboy]

having him overly concerned about negative yardage runs and fumbles.

God forbid. :laugh2:

Just to help a little, the key word there is "overly", .. not "concerned".

 

[superpunk]

Just to help a little, the key word there is "overly", .. not "concerned".

Coaches are there to help with issues and keep players from making mistakes.

It constantly amazes me that emphasizing to a RB that negative yardage and fumbles are bad (even though I don't ever remember Parcells ever mentioning any fumbling) is depicted as some great evil. Seriously? You're a professional RB and you can't handle a coach telling you to trust your blockers, know when a play is over, and understand that a 2 yard gain can be a victory? Stresing this alot is evil?

Next thing you know Tony will be suffering from Parcells' (or Garrett's) overzealous commitment to not throwing INTs.

 

[thor_01]

i firmly believe if julius is traded it will be on draft day and only to move up in the first round to get lynch, other wise you would be trading a known quantity for an unknown quantity w/o any more upside to make it worth the risk...........

 

[Coakleys Dad]

i want to see him run one year without parcells

 

[carphalen5150]

Let's say we deal Jones...we will not address RB in the first because there would not be value there unless Marshawn Lynch were to fall to 22. Peterson has no shot of falling far enough for us to move up IMO. Now let's say in the 2nd and 3rd we start looking for a JJ replacement...is there one out there that blows your skirt up? Yeah, me neither. This is a weak RB class...Pittman is OK, nothing special...Bush has injury issues and conditioning at his size would always be a worry...Henry has lit it up in the postseason, but where was that during his career...Booker is a change of pace guy...Irons is solid, nothing more...so really after running through a few names I do not see a clear upgrade unless Peterson or Lynch fall. This would be a bad time to move him and although I am a MBIII backer, I see the value of JJ and know we need him to succeed this year.

 

[superpunk]

Let's say we deal Jones...we will not address RB in the first because there would not be value there unless Marshawn Lynch were to fall to 22. Peterson has no shot of falling far enough for us to move up IMO. Now let's say in the 2nd and 3rd we start looking for a JJ replacement...is there one out there that blows your skirt up? Yeah, me neither. This is a weak RB class...Pittman is OK, nothing special...Bush has injury issues and conditioning at his size would always be a worry...Henry has lit it up in the postseason, but where was that during his career...Booker is a change of pace guy...Irons is solid, nothing more...so really after running through a few names I do not see a clear upgrade unless Peterson or Lynch fall. This would be a bad time to move him and although I am a MBIII backer, I see the value of JJ and know we need him to succeed this year.

Accurate summary. Unless Lynch is available, it really makes no sense to deal JJ. The only way it makes sense is if Barber is THE guy, which he probably can't be because of his violent running style. Too easy to wear down, and if he stops, he stops what makes him special. It's unlikely Lynch will drop, so we'll just have to make do with Julius for another year.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Coaches are there to help with issues and keep players from making mistakes.

It constantly amazes me that emphasizing to a RB that negative yardage and fumbles are bad (even though I don't ever remember Parcells ever mentioning any fumbling) is depicted as some great evil. Seriously? You're a professional RB and you can't handle a coach telling you to trust your blockers, know when a play is over, and understand that a 2 yard gain can be a victory? Stresing this alot is evil?

Next thing you know Tony will be suffering from Parcells' (or Garrett's) overzealous commitment to not throwing INTs.

Once again, the key word was "overly", and I'm not the only one to notice this.

But yes, coaches in any sport can coach instincts out of a player with excessive, constant harping on something.

Especially in JJ's situation where he kept seeing more and more of his carries going to MBIII.

If JJ would improvise in practice, and lose a yard or two, and the coach yells ... "decisions like that are why MBIII is getting more and more or your carries", then yes, it could impact his decision-making and the way JJ would run in games.

I have no way of knowing this for certain, but it could be one explanation as to why he looks so bad in the hole at times, when he didn't when he first arrived in Dallas.

 

[carphalen5150]

Accurate summary. Unless Lynch is available, it really makes no sense to deal JJ. The only way it makes sense is if Barber is THE guy, which he probably can't be because of his violent running style. Too easy to wear down, and if he stops, he stops what makes him special. It's unlikely Lynch will drop, so we'll just have to make do with Julius for another year.

Alot of guys that would be there for us are more like Barber than Jones...so unless Thompson is completely healed and he has learned to let the play develop, then we would have duplicate backs in the backfield. The great thing about having Jones and Barber is the differing styles.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The great thing about having Jones and Barber is the differing styles.

Yes, I have used the analogy that MBIII & JJ are like the 3 & 4 hitters in baseball.

MBIII (the 3 hitter) is always going to get something, ... a single, a double or a triple, but not the dramatic "home run" very often.

Whereas JJ (the 4 hitter) might not always get a single or a double, but he is always capable of hitting the dramatic "home run" on any play.

I like having both, I would just like to see JJ get back to running instinctively.

 

[superpunk]

Once again, the key word was "overly", and I'm not the only one to notice this.

No kidding. I think everyone noticed that after Julius got to run against the league's worst defenses for a couple stretches in 04, his production became average at best.

But yes, coaches in any sport can coach instincts out of a player with excessive, constant harping on something.

Especially in JJ's situation where he kept seeing more and more of his carries going to MBIII.

If JJ would improvise in practice, and lose a yard or two, and the coach yells ... "decisions like that are why MBIII is getting more and more or your carries", then yes, it could impact his decision-making and the way JJ would run in games.

I have no way of knowing this for certain, but it could be one explanation as to why he looks so bad in the hole at times, when he didn't when he first arrived in Dallas.

This is all complete speculatory garbage, IMO. You're trying to explain away a guy being woefully mediocre because he got yelled at? Let's say, for a moment, that this is true. Julius couldn't handle criticism when he was doing things that deserve said criticism (ie. negative yardage). Does that really sound like a tough competitor to you?

Sounds like a couple other guys we've had on this team. Operative word? Had.

I don't know why it's so hard to just blame Julius, and understand that hey - he's average. That's not the worst thing in the world. But if you're gonna blame something, blame something real. Blame our ridiculous move to a zone-blocking scheme with a line full of maulers. Blame our woeful execution of said zone blocking. For goodness sakes give this "I'm willing to give him a year without Parcells" stuff a rest. This team didn't get rescued off the trash heap it belonged on by the head coach stifling his players and mismanaging them. Julius is what he is, it's time to accept that.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yes, I have used the analogy that MBIII & JJ are like the 3 & 4 hitters in baseball.

MBIII (the 3 hitter) is always going to get something, ... a single, a double or a triple, but not the dramatic "home run" very often.

Whereas JJ (the 4 hitter) might not always get a single or a double, but he is always capable of hitting the dramatic "home run" on any play.

I like having both, I would just like to see JJ get back to running instinctively.

Didnt MBIII hit more Homeruns than JJ last year? :
(I think you got your 3 and 4 hitters mixed up)