SI.com Truth & Rumor: Dallas shipping off J. Jones

[WV Cowboy]

This is all complete speculatory garbage, IMO.

Nice, .. eloquently put, thank you.

You're trying to explain away a guy being woefully mediocre because he got yelled at? Let's say, for a moment, that this is true. Julius couldn't handle criticism when he was doing things that deserve said criticism (ie. negative yardage). Does that really sound like a tough competitor to you?

It's has nothing to do with being unable to handle the criticism, (where did you get that from?) I'm only wondering if maybe he was trying to please the coach and do what he was told to do and that impacted his decisions and the way he ran.

I don't know why it's so hard to just blame Julius, and understand that hey - he's average.

If that is the way it turns out, then so be it. I would just like to find out before we give up on a RB that has shown signs of "getting it" at times.

 

[NoDak Cowboy]

Didnt MBIII hit more Homeruns than JJ last year? :
(I think you got your 3 and 4 hitters mixed up)

He was talking about taking it the distance from anywhere on the field. Not short TD runs.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He was talking about taking it the distance from anywhere on the field. Not short TD runs.

I know, I know.... I was just messing around... BUT.... a Homerun=score and TD=Score... so....

If you hit a HR that just clears the wall OR you hit one that goes 50ft further than the wall... its still a score.

 

[juck]

I say keep him,this is his contract year he will kick butt cause he has too,then once he gets paid back to his old ways,as the story is with most nfl players.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Didnt MBIII hit more Homeruns than JJ last year? :
(I think you got your 3 and 4 hitters mixed up)

No, JJ was tied for 18th in the NFL for the most "Big Play Rushes" with 18, ...
MBIII was not listed.

JJ had the 5th longest "home run" from scrimmage at 77 yds. The top 20 longest runs were listed with 59 yds being No 20.

MBIII was not on the list.

Jones is the 4 hitter.

 

[superpunk]

Nice, .. eloquently put, thank you.

I do what I can.

It's has nothing to do with being unable to handle the criticism, (where did you get that from?) I'm only wondering if maybe he was trying to please the coach and do what he was told to do and that impacted his decisions and the way he ran.

This is the garbage part.

It's just an enormous stretch, that is being taken to give Julius the benefit of the doubt, that maybe he's truly special and these last three years were just a ruse. I mean, on the one hand, you have a coach who has coached one of the greatest RBs ever to good seasons, and is known for a strong running game. You've got another RB on this same team, who runs harder and performs better. You've got Julius' body of work to date.

And yet still....

I would just like to find out before we give up on a RB that has shown signs of "getting it" at times.

Keep waiting, I guess. Maybe he'll have two or three games this year, when the moon and stars align, his blocking is perfect and he actually hits the hole, and then we'll get these same excuses phrased differently next year.

"I'd like to see him have another year in Garrett's system..."

Meh. He's an average back. If we can do better, we should.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No, JJ was tied for 18th in the NFL for the most "Big Play Rushes" with 18, ...
MBIII was not listed.

JJ had the 5th longest "home run" from scrimmage at 77 yds. The top 20 longest runs were listed with 59 yds being No 20.

MBIII was not on the list.

Jones is the 4 hitter.

MBIII hit more Homeruns. Period.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think it is a cop out to blame Parcells for Jones inconsistent play, BP has had very good success over the years with RB and has one in Dallas that had no problems doing the job in Barber. Only problem I see with Jones is that if you don't have a truck size hole for him to run through he is not gong to do much. He does not avoid tackles and can't seem to break a tackle. BP has not done a thing to Jones to hinder him. Yes he has speed to take it to the house but I have seen backs with a lot less speed who also could take it the distance sorry but speed is not the be all for RB, vision and instinct are and Jones has yet to show this. It is time to step up or move out but this notion that BP ruined him is a crock.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If we can do better, we should.

I agree, if we can do better, I'm all for it.

But it is no stretch to say that a coach can coach instincts out of a player.

If a coach kept telling Barry Sander to stop giving ground, stop going backwards, stop with all of the crazy moves, stop always trying to take it outside or I will lower your carries and give them to someone else.

If Sanders listened and tried to do as his coach wanted it would change the type of back he was.

If a coach tried to get Barry Bonds to stop striking out so much and forced him to hit for average it would change the type of hitter he is.

These are exaggerated and just hypothetical, but coaches can impact instincts of an athlete.

If JJ felt restricted by the style Parcells wanted, maybe, just maybe he will be more effective this season, ... if we can't improve @ RB, let's see what he can do.

If it turns out he is average as you suggest then we can let him go after this season.

 

[daboys79]

honestly i want a different rb but there won't be anybody to fill the void if we get rid of the piledriver

You mean the pile-diver

 

[WV Cowboy]

I think it is a cop out to blame Parcells for Jones inconsistent play, BP has had very good success over the years with RB and has one in Dallas that had no problems doing the job in Barber. Only problem I see with Jones is that if you don't have a truck size hole for him to run through he is not gong to do much. He does not avoid tackles and can't seem to break a tackle. BP has not done a thing to Jones to hinder him. Yes he has speed to take it to the house but I have seen backs with a lot less speed who also could take it the distance sorry but speed is not the be all for RB, vision and instinct are and Jones has yet to show this. It is time to step up or move out but this notion that BP ruined him is a crock.

Parcells unfathonable decision not to attack the Seattle secondary in the playoff game leaves the door open for me to question any decision he has ever made !! :laugh2:

I mean they had an accountant, an insurance salesman and a UPS driver back there for crying out loud.:laugh2:

 

[ethiostar]

You mean the pile-diver

:laugh1::laugh1:

 

[ethiostar]

Parcells unfathonable decision not to attack the Seattle secondary in the playoff game leaves the door open for me to question any decision he has ever made !! :laugh2:

I mean they had an accountant, an insurance salesman and a UPS driver back there for crying out loud.:laugh2:

This is getting good guys!! Keep them coming.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I agree, if we can do better, I'm all for it.

But it is no stretch to say that a coach can coach instincts out of a player.

If a coach kept telling Barry Sander to stop giving ground, stop going backwards, stop with all of the crazy moves, stop always trying to take it outside or I will lower your carries and give them to someone else.

If Sanders listened and tried to do as his coach wanted it would change the type of back he was.

If a coach tried to get Barry Bonds to stop striking out so much and forced him to hit for average it would change the type of hitter he is.

These are exaggerated and just hypothetical, but coaches can impact instincts of an athlete.

If JJ felt restricted by the style Parcells wanted, maybe, just maybe he will be more effective this season, ... if we can't improve @ RB, let's see what he can do.

If it turns out he is average as you suggest then we can let him go after this season.

Very reasonable post. Unbiased.

 

[BouncingCheese]

The same people who are saying get rid of Julius will be the same people to complain about getting rid of him when he blows up somewhere else.

Julius CAN blow up to another team..and he probably will. Have you seen this dude? He is so cut, it is not even funny, yet he gets arm tackled when he should be breaking those easily enough!:bang2: When a player goes to another team, he will feel angry about his previous teams' lack of faith in him. It is because of this he will play harder. ( I believe that is the case, anyway)

About getting compensation for him, he might warrant a 3rd rnd, maybe a second to a desperate team (maybe New England would want him, MAroney's shoulder is supposed to be in bad shape right now) I would not want to draft Marshawn lynch. He is a system back, guys. This is why I hate dudes like Kiper, people forget that J.J. Arrington went to Arizona, after he led the NCAA is rushing yards with 2000 yrds. Guess which school he went to? CAL!!!! Same school as Lynch. I am telling you, he will be a bust, just like Aaron Rogers, a cal guy, just like Kyle Boller, another CAL system player!! Arrington is a bust, so will lynch. If you disagree with me, go look up all the aformentioned players production.

 

[superpunk]

I agree, if we can do better, I'm all for it.

Reasonable. But what is better? I dunno. IN any case, I don't think we can get it. So we're stuck with Julius.

But it is no stretch to say that a coach can coach instincts out of a player.

It is a stretch, and IMO a pretty big one when applied to this situation. Parcells stressed not giving up negative yardage and trusting your blockers. This isn't rocket science, or any sort of negative principle that's afflicting RBs everywhere. It's just common sense. If Julius can't handle common sense and some criticism, sayonara. Take that weak-minded/weak-willed crap elsewhere. He wasn't harmed by Parcells. He just isn't that good.

Parcells unfathonable decision not to attack the Seattle secondary in the playoff game leaves the door open for me to question any decision he has ever made !!

I mean they had an accountant, an insurance salesman and a UPS driver back there for crying out loud.

Again we blame the coaches for the failure of the players? For shame. We had some open crap downfield. Someone just couldn't pull the trigger. Regardless of who was back there, just chucking it was a bad idea, as they were laying back and letting us run it (not surprisingly, Julius had a good game...hmmmm...wonder why?). But even when things were open, Romo couldn't cut loose or he missed badly. Not his brightest day, by any stretch.

 

[Doomsday101]

Parcells unfathonable decision not to attack the Seattle secondary in the playoff game leaves the door open for me to question any decision he has ever made !! :laugh2:

I mean they had an accountant, an insurance salesman and a UPS driver back there for crying out loud.:laugh2:

I have no problem with someone questioning a game plan however I think it is total BS to blame Parcells for Jones own shortcoming. BP did not tell him to run up the linemans butt, he did not tell him to go down at 1st contact. Jones has had some good games as well so what was the deal Jones can do it once in a while but then gets scared of Parcells the rest of the time? Sorry I'm not buying that load. This is on Jones not Parcells or anyone else. Barber does not seem to have these problems nor has any other RB that Parcells has worked with.

 

[BouncingCheese]

I think it is a cop out to blame Parcells for Jones inconsistent play, BP has had very good success over the years with RB and has one in Dallas that had no problems doing the job in Barber. Only problem I see with Jones is that if you don't have a truck size hole for him to run through he is not gong to do much. He does not avoid tackles and can't seem to break a tackle. BP has not done a thing to Jones to hinder him. Yes he has speed to take it to the house but I have seen backs with a lot less speed who also could take it the distance sorry but speed is not the be all for RB, vision and instinct are and Jones has yet to show this. It is time to step up or move out but this notion that BP ruined him is a crock.

Amazing Point, friend. LadanianTomlinson, while much more heralded than Jones coming out of college, had a 4.6/mid 4.5-speed. Jones is arm-tackled consistently, can't run behing a fullback adequately, and needs big holes to go far. He is proably, however, our back for this year. Hopefully, he can go back to bieng a cut-back, run all over the place guy he was his rookie year (without fumbling, please god)

 

[Doomsday101]

Amazing Point, friend. LadanianTomlinson, while much more heralded than Jones coming out of college, had a 4.6/mid 4.5-speed. Jones is arm-tackled consistently, can't run behing a fullback adequately, and needs big holes to go far. He is proably, however, our back for this year. Hopefully, he can go back to bieng a cut-back, run all over the place guy he was his rookie year (without fumbling, please god)

I want to see Jones have success I'm just tired of excuses and casting the blame on others. As for speed I agree our own Emmitt Smith was a mid 4.5 guy and as you point out LT 40 was slower than JuJo. Being the best RB is not about being the fastest RB, this is football not track and field.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If you guys can't see the difference between Jones and Barber, then this discussion is going nowhere.

Jones is a speed back, and MB is a power back. Jones is not a power back, he just isn't. But neither was Franco Harris and he did alright. Neither was Barry Sanders, and he did ok. Those type runners have 0 yd runs or 1 & 2 yd runs, and then a 50 yd run or longer.

I'm speculating that maybe Parcells tried to make Jones a power back too.

But felt no need to change MB.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I am trying to figure out why he looked good early and not so good later.

Like I said earlier, I don't know what the deal is for sure, I am speculating.