CFZ Signing Hopkins doesn't really make a lot of sense

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Not overly concerned about the plantar fasciitis. I think that's something a place like the Good Feet Store can sort out.
I’m pretty concerned about it that could affect his play the entire season. I’ve never had it, but from listening to players that have it’s very painful and it lingers. It’s going to make it tough for him competing against two other young TEs.
 

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I’m pretty concerned about it that could affect his play the entire season. I’ve never had it, but from listening to players that have it’s very painful and it lingers. It’s going to make it tough for him competing against two other young TEs.

I get that it can be difficult, but I'm sure they'll be taking him to the best orthopedic specialist they have to help him with it.
 

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I think Lamb and Cooks is a good duo. As for Gallup, he had a horrible injury the year before late in the season. So, if he is healthier this season than he was last season, then I can see him being able to return to form. Ferguson looked promising last year and just finished training with Kelce and Kittle. That can only mean good things, and Witten seems to like him. Hendershot was brilliant for a UDFA. I am intrigued by Schoonmacher. So, I think TE, we will be fine. If Hopkins were to take a Cobb-type deal (bear in mind, Dak basically saved Cobb's career in 2019), then I could see him coming here. However, I think our oline depth is a bit less impressive than our WR group. I think Risner and Lewan would help improve that. Also, I think Kenyan Drake and Darby would be good signings.
I'm tired of settling for being intrigued by players....time for Booger to go out and start spending money on sure things.
 

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I'm tired of settling for being intrigued by players....time for Booger to go out and start spending money on sure things.

I'm not sure Hopkins is exactly a sure thing. Maybe if he were to sign between $7-9 mil, I could see it, but I don't think he is necessarily a sure thing. Plus, as I stated, I think oline depth is important too. I've provided some quality options in my rebuttal.
 

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I'm tired of settling for being intrigued by players....time for Booger to go out and start spending money on sure things.

I want excellent players, but, at the same time, I think it's important to be efficient with the cap. Hopkins would be nice between $7-9 mil. But not at $12-15 mil. I think for that price, we can get Risner, Drake, and maybe even Lewan. We'd have insurance for in case Steele is going to be injured for longer than expected, plus quality competition for the RB2 spot. If we need a WR, perhaps we might do well to go after the likes of Jarvis Landry or Byron Pringle (https://nfltraderumors.co/top-100-2023-nfl-free-agents-list/). Pringle was very good with the Chiefs. Landry is usually a solid contributor, and the Saints QBs were laughably bad.
 

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No one is arguing that you have to throw the football it’s a passing league. To score a lot of points you have to throw. We’re talking about adding a high price receiver when we traded for one, and we have another who’s due a huge contract. Had we not traded for Cook’s, Hopkins would make a lot of sense. I think we’re fine at WR. I’m more concerned about TE with Schoonmaker having plantar fasciitis.
There's a difference between being "fine" and having a terrific, deep corps. You can be out of any Hopkins contract before CD's extension hits.

One of the benefits of DHop is that he basically takes away the need to have any receiving TE, because he's dominant in the shorter passing game.
 

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Right, but here's the counterpoint. Why would I want an out in the contract after two years when I wouldn't be able to get a comp pick as a result? As for 7 mil, it's not like he's getting much in the way of options. I suppose, if needed, I could see going 9 mil year one and 11 mil in year 2 on a 2 year deal as plausible, but I'd want to have a way to where we can get a comp pick after his contract expires.
The comp pick doesn't matter. It's not like you're giving one away.

Again, you're assuming that he doesn't have options, and I don't know why. For all we know, half the teams in the league have been in touch and he's got a dozen offers.
 

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The comp pick doesn't matter. It's not like you're giving one away.

Again, you're assuming that he doesn't have options, and I don't know why. For all we know, half the teams in the league have been in touch and he's got a dozen offers.
And for all we know, the Cowboys might too. We don't know. I'm curious to see where it goes. And, as for the comp pick, the idea is that we could basically pull off another Randall Cobb situation where we sign him. He balls out, and we can get a 3 or 4th round pick as a comp pick for him. How cool would that be?
 

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There's a difference between being "fine" and having a terrific, deep corps. You can be out of any Hopkins contract before CD's extension hits.

One of the benefits of DHop is that he basically takes away the need to have any receiving TE, because he's dominant in the shorter passing game.
Hopkins has lost at least a step or two and has had injury issues. There’s a reason the Cardinals moved on from him. They didn’t feel like he was worth the big money and despite trying to trade him no one offered them anything. He’s been available for a couple of weeks and it’s not like anyone has snatched him up yet. He isn’t what he was but you don’t seem to get that. He’s not going to replace a big body TE over the middle. This is just a waste of time, we’re never going to agree.
 

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It makes sense because the chances of all 3 WRs being avialable for 17 games is slim to zero. They have 20-something million in space, they can afford to overpay for depth right now. You don't have to give Hopkins a 4 year deal.

I don't get your point. You're saying that Hopkins isn't going to get big money and also that you can't afford him?
Does not make sense ..they have already made the trade and contract transaction for speedster Brandin Cooks ...

they are already contractually invested in #rd WR Gallup despite a slow year in ACL recovery,..
and all talk of a long term extension with Lamb .

Plus what some fans are Not recognizing is Dhop is Not what he used to be ... there is some decline in his game. he is not as sensational at separation
on a game o game basis as he used to be in his Houston Texans days ...

So you want them to go after a guy that would be 4th WR fiddle ? Too many fans are infatuated with the past names on the back of the jerseys .
 

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I'd say a sapped Hopkins is a better player at this point than a sapped Gallup.
And if we could get out of Gallup's money, it would be a thought. Or if we hadn't signed Cooks.
Jerry already made his bed with WR.
Much like last year, where I would have taken Coop over Gallup and Schultz, this year I'd take Coop over Gallup and Cooks.
But they spent otherwise and *committed* both times.
 

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And if we could get out of Gallup's money, it would be a thought. Or if we hadn't signed Cooks.
Jerry already made his bed with WR.
Much like last year, where I would have taken Coop over Gallup and Schultz, this year I'd take Coop over Gallup and Cooks.
But they spent otherwise and *committed* both times.
Meh. Amari Cooper got released because he would take plays/games off and not dominate on the field for the amount of money he was getting paid. He also refused to get the vax, so he missed 2 games for his own personal decision which hurt the team. Also, during the 49ers playoff loss of 2021, late in the game during the 4th quarter, Amari was caught on camera watching another WR running after the catch, instead of Amari running downfield to make some key blocks to help his fellow teammate possibly break the catch loose for big gains. Jerry simply had enough, realized why the Raiders were willing of getting rid of Amari, so Jerry finally did the same. Can't blame him.

 

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Does not make sense ..they have already made the trade and contract transaction for speedster Brandin Cooks ...

they are already contractually invested in #rd WR Gallup despite a slow year in ACL recovery,..
and all talk of a long term extension with Lamb .

Plus what some fans are Not recognizing is Dhop is Not what he used to be ... there is some decline in his game. he is not as sensational at separation
on a game o game basis as he used to be in his Houston Texans days ...

So you want them to go after a guy that would be 4th WR fiddle ? Too many fans are infatuated with the past names on the back of the jerseys .
He's never been a separation guy. His separation last year was better tahn it was in 2019, for instance.

But I don't care if you're overpaying at WR. It doesn't cost you anythinng to do that this year.
 

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Hopkins has lost at least a step or two and has had injury issues. There’s a reason the Cardinals moved on from him. They didn’t feel like he was worth the big money and despite trying to trade him no one offered them anything. He’s been available for a couple of weeks and it’s not like anyone has snatched him up yet. He isn’t what he was but you don’t seem to get that. He’s not going to replace a big body TE over the middle. This is just a waste of time, we’re never going to agree.
Then there is no FA worth signing?

You're saying that he's bad and we can't afford him. The logic does not make any sense.
 

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Cowboys are loaded at WR. They could literally go 7-8 deep. Clearly they won't and some good ones will end up on the PS. That position isn't a concern unless there is mass injury.
What? They have 3 proven NFL wide receivers. Every team has 10 guys or whatever on the roster right now, but it doesn't mean they're deep.

Do you want Simi Fehoko playing 70% of snaps if there are two injuries?
 

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I'm not saying Jerry has. I'm just thinking perhaps the coaches saw something in OTAs.
Well I'm not an NFL coach, but even for long term NFL coaches, OTAs don't involve anything approaching game speed, etc., can't tell much about a player imho, but we'll see.

Personally, I'm thinking bust, but I'll give him every chance.to prove me wrong....
 

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Then there is no FA worth signing?

You're saying that he's bad and we can't afford him. The logic does not make any sense.
I never said Hopkins was bad and that we can’t afford him. This is the second time you’ve twisted my words. I said he’s not what he was but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player. If he was still at the top of his game, he wouldn’t have been released. Although we have plenty of cap room, we have some big contracts coming up with CeeDee, Diggs and Parsons. We can’t be loading up on high priced receivers and keep one standing on the sidelines as our fourth receiver. Hopkins has had some injury issues and is looking for a long-term contract. We’re months into free agency, we’ve had the draft and teams have their roster set for training camp. Hopkins has been available for nine days and is still unsigned. If you think that means I’m saying he’s a bad player you’re wrong!
 

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I never said Hopkins was bad and that we can’t afford him. This is the second time you’ve twisted my words. I said he’s not what he was but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player. If he was still at the top of his game, he wouldn’t have been released. Although we have plenty of cap room, we have some big contracts coming up with CeeDee, Diggs and Parsons. We can’t be loading up on high priced receivers and keep one standing on the sidelines as our fourth receiver. Hopkins has had some injury issues and is looking for a long-term contract. We’re months into free agency, we’ve had the draft and teams have their roster set for training camp. Hopkins has been available for nine days and is still unsigned. If you think that means I’m saying he’s a bad player you’re wrong!
You're saying that he's not good enough to get big money but also that we can't afford him. The logic of "he's been available for 9 days and is still unsigned" is effectively saying that he's damaged goods, but you're referencing long-term, high-dollar contracts. The argument is effectively, someone is going to give him a big contract but also the league does not think he's worth a big contract because he's still available lol.

Every player available has been available for longer. Why do we need to save money on Hop to give it to those guys? It doesn't make sense.

That's besides the point, which is that none of those contracts hit this year and Diggs is the only one that hits next year. Hopkins is gone before CD and Parsons extensions kick in.
 

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You're saying that he's not good enough to get big money but also that we can't afford him. The logic of "he's been available for 9 days and is still unsigned" is effectively saying that he's damaged goods, but you're referencing long-term, high-dollar contracts. The argument is effectively, someone is going to give him a big contract but also the league does not think he's worth a big contract because he's still available lol.

Every player available has been available for longer. Why do we need to save money on Hop to give it to those guys? It doesn't make sense.

That's besides the point, which is that none of those contracts hit this year and Diggs is the only one that hits next year. Hopkins is gone before CD and Parsons extensions kick in.
I said he’s not going to get $15 million and if he does I’m wrong. Hopkins is looking for a multiyear deal, but you don’t seem to get that. He’s likely going to have to settle for a one year deal. You seem to forget the Cowboys still have TY Hilton and they drafted a receiver. They also just signed another receiver. We’re just wasting time with this because the Cowboys aren’t assigning Hopkins.
 
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