Skins Fans starting to see the light: Romo vs JC

[firehawk350]

It's not my argument, it's yours. You made up the bogus 10% crap. 85 happens to be 10% below Romo's 2006 passer rating. For Peyton, I would have used 91 (10% below his 101 rating), but that seemed unfair when comparing the two.

By your criterion, Manning is "inconsistent."

Dude, you completely missed the point. You said Manning had 4 games below 80, but that's using a criteria specifically tailored to comparing the two QBs. You lower that number to 60, and the story completely changes. An 80 QB rating is a bad game, it's just an average one. Below 60, that's a bad game.

 

[firehawk350]

Ugh, I really gotta go now. I don't want people to think I'm just dodging, but I can't stay here into perpetuity.

 

[superpunk]

Dude, you completely missed the point. You said Manning had 4 games below 80, but that's using a criteria specifically tailored to comparing the two QBs. You lower that number to 60, and the story completely changes. An 80 QB rating is a bad game, it's just an average one. Below 60, that's a bad game.

How does the fact that Tom Brady has the same number of sub-60 rating games and never managed to reach the same high's Romo did for the season fit into your ever-changing "hypothesis"?

 

[DallasEast]

Your right, he did come up with a meaningful contribution. Good job. *edit* anyways, i gotta grab lunch (its 11 here in AZ) and I'd rather not have to type while eating, so I'm going to see what else is going on and I'll be back if anyone still wants to debate.

Debate?

My friend, if you were a entree on the lunch menu, they would call you extra crispy chicken.

Debate, my butt. You looking worse than Milhouse Nixon on live television during the '60 presidential debates. And it seems like you revving up to do more? Stop while you're ahead, man, and save whatever little dignity you have left.

 

[kmd24]

Dude, you completely missed the point. You said Manning had 4 games below 80, but that's using a criteria specifically tailored to comparing the two QBs.

I said below 85, and it was based on your assertion that QB's are within 10% of their rating 80% of the time. It is you who are missing the point, and I didn't tailor anything. It was the criterion *you* created.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't know that, I'm in Sierra Vista. I work at Ft Huachuca. I hate this place though, the best italian food is in a place with freaking plastic tableclothes, and consist of various choices like spaghetti, spaghetti with meatballs, vegeterian spaghetti and pizza. No form of night entertainment other than a bunch of redneck bars, and a bevy of crazy in-laws. And isn't it supposed to be getting cooler now??? It's hotter now then it was in july/august.

If you're ever coming up to Tucson shoot me a PM. I'll tell you where to find the good restaurants and entertainment. I'll give you my cell #.

 

[TNCowboy]

What should suffice for Cowboy fans is the statistic they flashed the other night: only 2 other QBs in NFL history have more passing yards in their first 10 games. That's particularly impressive when you consider that he did that in a Parcells' offense.

Romo had some down games, but he also had some good games that passer ratings don't really show. He played a terrific game against Indy last year, but his rating was only 89. He made mistakes, but also won the game for us against NYG, when his rating was only 58. In neither game did he throw a TD; passing TDs really drive QB ratings up or down, when in fact, they may not have a lot to do with how well a QB played.

Barring injury, I think Romo is likely to exceed all of Danny White's season passing records. IMO, he's noticably better than last year, and even without Terry Glenn, he has a ton of weapons to use.

At this point, i'm about 90% sure Romo is the real deal. I remember through 5 starts last year, I went through historical statistics to try and find a QB who had a better first 5 starts. I could only find one.

I'm running out of reasons to think this guy isn't an elite Qb.

 

[Idgit]

At this point, i'm about 90% sure Romo is the real deal. I remember through 5 starts last year, I went through historical statistics to try and find a QB who had a better first 5 starts. I could only find one...

Who was the one?

 

[Az Lurker]

Who was the one?

I think it was Kurt Warner who had the best first 5 games statistically, but I'm not sure

 

[AsthmaField]

Brees had a much worse day against a much worse D

I don't know if this has been addressed yet... but you think Indy's defense is "much worse" than Miami's?

C'mon, man. Be serious.

All I'm saying is one game, against completely opposite spectrum defenses, doesn't make or break either young QB.

So you think the Giants defense is terrible and the Miami defense is one of the best? How convinient for Commander fans to think that way.

Miami's D is old and is far from one of the best in the NFL anymore.

Campbell didn't play down to his stat line and Romo didn't play up to his.

That's funny. Did you even see the dart Romo threw to Sam Hurd to ice the game? He was well covered... our 4th WR was well covered and Romo put it where he didn't even have to break stride. Perfect is what the announcers and retired NFL guys have called it. Minus the one miscue where Romo missed the safety, Romo had what many said would have been the perfect game for a QB.

23 yards per pass play. I read where anything over 8 is pro-bowl material. 23 YPP is incredible. Yet he was a lot worse than the stats show?

The Commanders spin is it's own special breed...

 

[AsthmaField]

If he was so great, why wait on the contract extension???

Because there's no worry that he'll go anywhere else. He wants to be the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Who wouldn't?

Plus, Romo knowing he has to perform very well to get the REALLY big dollars is exactly what Jerry wants. Seems to be working too.

Remember, it wasn't just against the Giants that he's looked awesome. He's looked that way all through training camp and the preseason games too. He's been on target, hitting people in stride pretty much every throw he's made.

Sorry for you guys... but Dallas has found it's franchise QB.

Washington?... not so much...

 

[Cas2800]

Yeah, your right, I did just make up that statistic (like I said). It's wrong, but I said I didn't do any research, so it's going to be wrong. You have the time to do research, good job. Okay, let's look at it this way. Romo had 4 games below 60 which is 35 points from his average, which in turn works out to be 36% of the time, he played WELL below his average.

Manning had 3 games that fall that far below his average (19% of the time). Brady had two games that far below his average (13%), Palmer had 1 game (6%). These QBs, while they are the cream of the crop, don't struggle with consistency nearly as much as Romo does.

Using the examples you gave, Romo has about twice as many games where he struggles as does any other QB. Of course, that means he has to counterbalance them with equally better games as his bad games, so like I said, he knows no middle ground.

How did a debate between Romo and Campbell turn into a debate between Romo and Manning or Brady. Since were using Manning and Brady as the measuring stick how does Campbell's stats compair to theirs?

 

[chicago JK]

BTW, I checked out ES this afternoon and there are still plenty of people unwilling to admit that Romo is even a decent QB. Oh well. Divisional heated rivals, I guess.

bedlamVR:
The only thing about the statsitics is ...well you know I actually watched the game and Romo didn't look anywhere near as good as good as his numbers would say . The Gints totally missed Witten in coverage on every third down the Boys defence was a shambles anyone wanting to take anything from that game is deluding themselves people talk about Campbells inaccuracies but Romos misses were WILD misses not even in ball park . My Favorite play of the game though was where he hit square in the chest by the snap as he was still calling audibles .

TRI:
Romo played against a dismal defense. The fact that he barely checked-down to his RBs confirms that.

You guys crack me up. Romo will have good games and he'll have just as many bad games....he's average.

Remember, this is a new scheme for defensive coordinators to see. I'd suspect Garrett will be figured out after three weeks.

Oh, and watch for some serious dink and doink against the fins.

Warhead36:
The Cowboys WRs were open all night and even after they caught it they racked up a whole hell of a lot of YAC. Romo did well just getting them the ball. Tough to really evaluate him since there was never any pressure and no
real tough throws he had to make.

Pazzille:
IDK... I was more impressed by the fact that both of those defenses were attrocious.

Romo had great numbers for sure. Frye wuold have done about the same.

I'll say this... after seeing the defenses on the Cowboys, Giant and Eagles today... I have NO WORRIES about winning our division.

bacon:

Those are some great stats indeed. Carson Palmer, McNabb, Philip Rivers, or any other great QB probably would have done far better, however.

bubba9497:
and about half were Yards after the catch, where the Giants either NEVER covered the receiver in the middle, or missed tackles

bubba9497:
why not, the receivers where wide open, The Giants didn't cover Witten all night

but Romo looked bad on his throws deep, missing by a wide margin sometimes

Monkfan8:
I think Romo is a solid QB, and Dallas is certainly a formidable opponent. But his game today reminded me of Brunnels 22 straight completions, a nice feat but wasn't particularly impressive.

TD riggo:
Yes. We will. All the while we will also wait and see what happens in Miami next week, against a team that actually didn't have to resort to their twenty-third string RB, who has more than ONE receiver, and who actually HAS a defense!

runs with Scissors:
Campbell started his 8th NFL game today.

Romo started his 33rd NFL game.

Romo is clearly ahead of Campbell,for good reason.

TR1:

You puke fans crack me up...

So, what's different from last year? Romo plays well against horrible defenses...and does anyone really think the Giants will be a force this year? Especially after those injuries?

And, what happened to that vaunted defense?

My, God, hasn't that been the talk of the off-season? What happened?

Be afraid, fellas...giving up over 300 yards passing and over 100 yards rushing against scrub players is nothing to gloat about...

 

[superpunk]

"Campbell started his 8th NFL game today.

Romo started his 33rd NFL game."

Ahem...they're not solid with numbers, are they?

 

[stilltheguru]

BTW, I checked out ES this afternoon and there are still plenty of people unwilling to admit that Romo is even a decent QB. Oh well. Divisional heated rivals, I guess.

^Romo has started 33 games? hmmm news to me. My only question is. What if Romo lights up the Dolphins the same way he did the Giants?


*We softened them up for Dallas*-skins fans.

 

[AsthmaField]

"Campbell started his 8th NFL game today.

Romo started his 33rd NFL game."

Ahem...they're not solid with numbers, are they?

It's the Commanders way of playing on numbers. Romo was starting games as the holder on field goals and they're counting those in with his QB starts.

They won't tell you that though... you have to figure it out.

They don't even realize that Romo is only 1 year older than Jason.

I love the one about Romo's game against the Giants reminding him of Brunells 22 straight completions. No mention that Brunell's average per pass was like 2 yards and Romo's Sunday night was around 23 yards.

Uh... yeah... exactly alike. Good comparison.

 

[AsthmaField]

The best thing about all of this is that Romo absolutely infuriates Commander fans. :laugh1:

I suppose because we got him for nothing and he's going to lead us for years to come. Plus he's so likable and always says and does the right thing. He's the perfect QB for America's team and they... just... can't... stand... it.

 

[yennor24]

whats funny is nobody was saying the Giants Defense sucked before we played them and put up 45, yet The Colts put up 40 on the Saints and I dont hear people saying that the Saints D sucks....

 

[AsthmaField]

whats funny is nobody was saying the Giants Defense sucked before we played them and put up 45, yet The Colts put up 40 on the Saints and I dont hear people saying that the Saints D sucks....

Yup. Good point. Everyone pretty much said the Giants would be solid on D. Now (because of us) they're last in the NFL and all the skin fans use that as proof that they suck.

Conversely, they use Miami's high defensive ranking to prove they're good. Hello... they played against Washington's offense... of course they didn't give up much!

 

[yennor24]

Yup. Good point. Everyone pretty much said the Giants would be solid on D. Now (because of us) they're last in the NFL and all the skin fans use that as proof that they suck.

Conversely, they use Miami's high defensive ranking to prove they're good. Hello... they played against Washington's offense... of course they didn't give up much!

If we beat Miami 31-13 That will be the ultimate in your face America...But im sure they will find something else negative to say about us...