Skins land Fauria

[BigDFan5]

Did they give the TE 10 million in bonus money too?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

As long as the players do it,, the skins will be fine.. it will be when 2 or 3 say FO and pay me.. then they will be in huge trouble. But that day may never come. As far as I can tell they have taken care of one need by signing 2 players for it lol.. not good management to me. They paid huge money to Randell El , sure they paid alot to LLoyd but haven't found any numbers on his contract.. and they still need to upgrade the OL, DT and CB and SS. With only a few picks in the draft, they have to do this in FA.. I dont know how much money they have, but they will be right at the cap by the start.. so if anyone gets hurt,, they can't bring anyone in. I am not overly impressed with their signings.. neither WR are #1 wr, LLoyd makes great catches but drops just as many easy ones or just flat out ducks them. Randell EL is a good return guy for them, but not much of a wideout threat. this TE they signed, seems be just a blocker and not a recieving threat.. much like Dan Campell. I have seen nothing by them in FA that puts them in any better spot than they were at the end of the season,, of course,, the same can be said bout my cowboys.

That's true all the way around.

Right now we've improved our guard position some... but that's about it.

 

[Joe Gibbs II]

As long as the players do it,, the skins will be fine.. it will be when 2 or 3 say FO and pay me.. then they will be in huge trouble. But that day may never come. As far as I can tell they have taken care of one need by signing 2 players for it lol.. not good management to me. They paid huge money to Randell El , sure they paid alot to LLoyd but haven't found any numbers on his contract.. and they still need to upgrade the OL, DT and CB and SS. With only a few picks in the draft, they have to do this in FA.. I dont know how much money they have, but they will be right at the cap by the start.. so if anyone gets hurt,, they can't bring anyone in. I am not overly impressed with their signings.. neither WR are #1 wr, LLoyd makes great catches but drops just as many easy ones or just flat out ducks them. Randell EL is a good return guy for them, but not much of a wideout threat. this TE they signed, seems be just a blocker and not a recieving threat.. much like Dan Campell. I have seen nothing by them in FA that puts them in any better spot than they were at the end of the season,, of course,, the same can be said bout my cowboys.

We filled 3 needs.
KR/PR
WR
TE (especially blocking)

We dont need a #1 WR in lloyd because we have one in Moss.

Moss' numbers 45 rec. 838 yards and 5TDs. And we gave up all that for him? I mean he was injury prone too! He had 1500 yards when Taylor Jacobs was the #2 for a while... hes going to get cut probably.
Lloyd is a rising star and just 5 hours ago most of you were shaking in yer boots.
ARE will succeed due to the new talent around him. Besides Hines ward, there was nobody really there, especially for a run dominated offense.
Skins still will run a lot but it wont hurt to have quicker recievers on the field.

We will aim to draft OL and De in the draft and if we get adam arch. we should be fine in the 2ndary for the most part.

I dont think gibbs is dumb enough to concentrate on WRs and completely ignore at least 1 fundamental part of a Gibbs team- the O line

 

[riggo]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I probably am, but it seems like all Snyder does is signs players to multi-year, back-loaded contracts with the first few years of the contract being very cap friendly.

Then, before they take a big cap hit from the contract, they restructure it.

If that's the case, then I don't see how they'll ever truly be in cap hell. If the players are dumb enough to restructure their contract, then the Skins really never have to worry about anything.

uh-oh.

cowboy fan gets it.

please delete the above. thank you.

btw- i just want to mention....not sure if i said this yet or not.....salary cap hell sux, man.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

uh-oh.

cowboy fan gets it.

please delete the above. thank you.

btw- i just want to mention....not sure if i said this yet or not.....salary cap hell sux, man.

We all get it. Its not that hard,, it like using a charge card for everything u buy,, only cost a little now the it will catch up one day. Lets be honest, if it weren't for extentions allowing the new cba deal.. the skins would be in big trouble.. but they gambled on it being extended and it was, so good for them. But one day, a couple of your players will say, NO. i wont restructure, and then it will hit the fan... Or maybe not. Either way, its a gamble the skins are taking.

 

[thewivil]

We all get it. Its not that hard,, it like using a charge card for everything u buy,, only cost a little now the it will catch up one day. Lets be honest, if it weren't for extentions allowing the new cba deal.. the skins would be in big trouble.. but they gambled on it being extended and it was, so good for them. But one day, a couple of your players will say, NO. i wont restructure, and then it will hit the fan... Or maybe not. Either way, its a gamble the skins are taking.

You're exactly right. If none of the players agreed to restructure their contract, the Skins would have been in huge trouble and would have been able to do absolutely nothing in free agency.

As a company, I don't think it's good practice to base everything on the hope that your employees will be willing to take a pay cut every year to help ensure success.

 

[Way 'nuff]

You're exactly right. If none of the players agreed to restructure their contract, the Skins would have been in huge trouble and would have been able to do absolutely nothing in free agency.

As a company, I don't think it's good practice to base everything on the hope that your employees will be willing to take a pay cut every year to help ensure success.

No one took a pay cut. They just reshuffled their money. At least thats what was reported.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

No one took a pay cut. They just reshuffled their money. At least thats what was reported.

Well in a way they do take a pay cut. They push the money into later years on the contract, or convert it toa signing bonus, and spreadig that out over a longer term. thats why alot take the deal, its upfront money by converting it to a signing bonus. But at somepoint,, that leads to a huge amount of dead money on the cap list. they are counting on the salary cap increasing every year to account for the dead money. It may work forever, but i think at some point, it will catch up. I really dont care that much, I would be in favor of a no cap and let the rich guys really battle it out. The fact is, the skins have spent a lot of money and NOT improved alot for it. them giving these guys big contracts, dont improve them as football players. I think they would have been better off to sign Givens over LLoyd or Randell EL and drafted someone to be return guy while developing him. OHH i forgot, they dont have any draft picks.

 

[riggo]

As a company, I don't think it's good practice to base everything on the hope that your employees will be willing to take a pay cut every year to help ensure success.

this is why dan snyder is a billiionaire and we are talking about his team on an internet message board.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

We all get it. Its not that hard,, it like using a charge card for everything u buy,, only cost a little now the it will catch up one day. Lets be honest, if it weren't for extentions allowing the new cba deal.. the skins would be in big trouble.. but they gambled on it being extended and it was, so good for them. But one day, a couple of your players will say, NO. i wont restructure, and then it will hit the fan... Or maybe not. Either way, its a gamble the skins are taking.

well, how about you give me a call when that day reaches us. But as for now, I will enjoy our free agents while you all sit pat on your 25 million of cap.

But hey, look at the bright side of this deal, now you all wont have to see Dan Campbell in a skins uni.

 

[1fisher]

uh-oh.

cowboy fan gets it.

please delete the above. thank you.

btw- i just want to mention....not sure if i said this yet or not.....salary cap hell sux, man.

I'll not be impressed until you go deep into the playoffs..... the players you signed will be long gone before you hoist another Lombardi!

 

[HeHateMe]

Just extremely glad it was Fauria and not Campbell.

I really like Campbell and wish him the best, but not if he signed in D.C.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

well, how about you give me a call when that day reaches us. But as for now, I will enjoy our free agents while you all sit pat on your 25 million of cap.

But hey, look at the bright side of this deal, now you all wont have to see Dan Campbell in a skins uni.

I am enjoying your FA about as much as u are. I love seeing little Danny boy waste money. Every sence he has been there, he as chased the big names. Keep chasing and keep paying. OHH incase u didnt' know, FA is only 2 days old and we still have our cap money and the players we need are still out there. See there is a difference in foolish spending ( Danny boi) and targeting who u want and getting them for a price they are worth.

 

[1fisher]

well, how about you give me a call when that day reaches us. But as for now, I will enjoy our free agents while you all sit pat on your 25 million of cap.

But hey, look at the bright side of this deal, now you all wont have to see Dan Campbell in a skins uni.

preseason champs for what, 6 consecutive years?:laugh2: :laugh2:

maybe one day Danny's spending will payoff!:laugh2:

 

[seoulman]

Even though I'm a Skins fan, I do agree that constantly giving up draft picks has not been good for our team. However, to get lloyd we gave up a 3rd round pick this year and a 4th next year. Frankly, if you get a starter quality player in the 4th round you're extremely lucky. The 3rd Round pick MIGHT yield a starter but certainly not guaranteed. Frankly, what we gave up for Lloyd was totally reasonable to me. Not to mention the fact that we will likely get the 3rd or 4th rounder back once we trade Ramsey (plus cap relief).

As far as our cap situation goes, you're right that Snyder gambles that the cap will go up year over year. But I don't see this as too much of a gamble. The amount of revenue him and other big time teams (including Dallas) can generate will cause the total salary cap to increase. He's only in big trouble if the NFL stops increasing it's revenue and all indicators point to the contrary.

His other gamble is that none of our high priced free agents will have a career ending injury since this accelerates the cap hit. This is a gamble we've taken and lost, but have been able to mostly avoid the last couple of years. Yes, Snyder is extremely aggressive in how he manages the cap, but just because he doesn't play it safe and chooses to take some risks does not mean that he doesn't know how to manage the cap. Snyder has built the Commanders into the most valuable sports franchise in America (more valuable than the Yankees, the Cowboys, the Patriots, you name it) because he is an astute businessman. And, like most astute businessmen, he takes risks. These risks are known and are one's he is willing to take to bring the most talent into the organization as possible.

 

[Hostile]

uh-oh.

cowboy fan gets it.

please delete the above. thank you.

btw- i just want to mention....not sure if i said this yet or not.....salary cap hell sux, man.

Let me ask you Riggo, and please be honest.

Is Snyder's method (don't call it Gibbs', it's been around prior to his return) of signing these backloaded deals and restructuring or releasing players before the cap hell happens working? Is it bringing you everything you hope and dream about?

 

[AbeBeta]

Just extremely glad it was Fauria and not Campbell.

why? you don't want them to have crap blocking?

 

[DallasKen]

I've never seen this many skins fans on this site ever. Not even after they crushed us in their last game. I guess it's true they enjoy winning the offseason more than any other part of the game.

 

[Hostile]

Even though I'm a Skins fan, I do agree that constantly giving up draft picks has not been good for our team. However, to get lloyd we gave up a 3rd round pick this year and a 4th next year. Frankly, if you get a starter quality player in the 4th round you're extremely lucky. The 3rd Round pick MIGHT yield a starter but certainly not guaranteed. Frankly, what we gave up for Lloyd was totally reasonable to me. Not to mention the fact that we will likely get the 3rd or 4th rounder back once we trade Ramsey (plus cap relief).

As far as our cap situation goes, you're right that Snyder gambles that the cap will go up year over year. But I don't see this as too much of a gamble. The amount of revenue him and other big time teams (including Dallas) can generate will cause the total salary cap to increase. He's only in big trouble if the NFL stops increasing it's revenue and all indicators point to the contrary.

His other gamble is that none of our high priced free agents will have a career ending injury since this accelerates the cap hit. This is a gamble we've taken and lost, but have been able to mostly avoid the last couple of years. Yes, Snyder is extremely aggressive in how he manages the cap, but just because he doesn't play it safe and chooses to take some risks does not mean that he doesn't know how to manage the cap. Snyder has built the Commanders into the most valuable sports franchise in America (more valuable than the Yankees, the Cowboys, the Patriots, you name it) because he is an astute businessman. And, like most astute businessmen, he takes risks. These risks are known and are one's he is willing to take to bring the most talent into the organization as possible.

Overall, a very well written post.

That 3rd round pick could have landed you a WR who turns out to be better than Brandon Lloyd. The 4th rounder next year might turn out to be a hidden gem.

Snyder knows how to manage the cap, I'll give the man his due. I wouldn't build a team the way he has. It won't work. Sooner or later, you'll all figure that out and realize we've been telling you that all along.

I've been on Skins sites (and other teams as well) and heard how we never would have won 3 Super Bowls without all the Draft picks from the Herschell Walker trade. Duh.

 

[SkinsFan26]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I probably am, but it seems like all Snyder does is signs players to multi-year, back-loaded contracts with the first few years of the contract being very cap friendly.

Then, before they take a big cap hit from the contract, they restructure it.

If that's the case, then I don't see how they'll ever truly be in cap hell. If the players are dumb enough to restructure their contract, then the Skins really never have to worry about anything.

Bingo!

That Dan Snyder is so stupid...