Skins sign Archuleta

[iceberg]

dude, did you forget last year? we were very active, and we didn't reach the postseason

so knowing our holes are OL, Safety, OL and OL and now maybe a good blocking TE and then a backup OL, what have we done?

we resigned the player we can't stand on the OL that fell apart
we signed a player no one's heard of but is a "sleeper" in FA

what are we doing to address the holes we know we must address?

 

[BlueWave]

dude, did you forget last year? we were very active, and we didn't reach the postseason

I was very happy with last seasons free agent signings, other than the fact that we never addressed Free Safety and Kicker at all last season. Some would say that if we had addressed those areas, we would have made the playoffs. Many would say that.

 

[superpunk]

History is on our side, as Cowboys fans?
I don't know if I would say that. It hasn't worked for them yet, but what have we done on the field in the last six years? The most recent history, that being 2005, shows us that the Skins have started to turn the tables a bit. Let's not forget, Gibbs has only been there two years, not six.

I can't spell it out any clearer for you. It has never worked. That is the history of the thing. The fact that this method of operating has NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER worked, is on our (the realists) side. You guys g'head and jump the cliff. You have no reason to, save for misplaced envy. Our front office is working right now. Tone down the unjustified jealousy. It's embarassing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what are we doing to address the holes we know we must address?

LB is going to be addressed during the draft, we signed one of 2 OL that we're targeting in Free Agency, the FSs on the market all aren't deserving of being paid alot of money, which happens in the 1st few days of free agency, which is why we've only seen one FS signed thus far (Chavous) and he was overpaid, Jerry already said that we weren't going to be getting one of the high-priced kickers

why we aren't moving as quickly these first 3 days, as most of you would like, is because this class of free agents is weak, and the 1st few days is where all the money is being thrown around, as we can see, and it's always been the plan that we weren't going to overpay guys...but you guys are all suprised that we're doing exactly what we set out to do, and just because a player is an unknown to us, doesn't mean he's unknown to NFL people, so I don't know why you guys keep discounting Kosier on name recognition alone...and giving someone a 5 year deal on the opening day of free agency is a pretty agressive move

 

[BlueWave]

I can't spell it out any clearer for you. It has never worked. That is the history of the thing. The fact that this method of operating has NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER worked, is on our (the realists) side. You guys g'head and jump the cliff. You have no reason to, save for misplaced envy. Our front office is working right now. Tone down the unjustified jealousy. It's embarassing.

They have only been doing it for six years. You act like it's been an on going thing for the last twenty years. It's hard to say something hasn't worked when it's only been six years, and only two with a competent HC at the helm. And, in those latter two years, the improvement is evident.

Look past your hate for just a moment, and realize, that the Skins are getting better by the hour whether we like it or not.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was very happy with last seasons free agent signings, other than the fact that we never addressed Free Safety and Kicker at all last season. Some would say that if we had addressed those areas, we would have made the playoffs. Many would say that.

can't fill every hole in one offseason, but last year we filled most

and that's also why you won't see the Skins filling all their holes this offseason

 

[iceberg]

LB is going to be addressed during the draft, we signed one of 2 OL that we're targeting in Free Agency, the FSs on the market all aren't deserving of being paid alot of money, which happens in the 1st few days of free agency, which is why we've only seen one FS signed thus far (Chavous) and he was overpaid, Jerry already said that we weren't going to be getting one of the high-priced kickers

why we aren't moving as quickly these first 3 days, as most of you would like, is because this class of free agents is weak, and the 1st few days is where all the money is being thrown around, as we can see, and it's always been the plan that we weren't going to overpay guys...but you guys are all suprised that we're doing exactly what we set out to do, and just because a player is an unknown to us, doesn't mean he's unknown to NFL people, so I don't know why you guys keep discounting Kosier on name recognition alone...and giving someone a 5 year deal on the opening day of free agency is a pretty agressive move

bentley or hutchinson would be a bold move.

signing a "sleeper" isn't "bold" in as much as a reach.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and iceberg, notice I threw a wrench in your philosophy? Dallas went on a spending binge, and still missed the playoffs, while the Skins lost people, didn't make many signings, and made the playoffs

hmmmm

 

[Bob Sacamano]

bentley or hutchinson would be a bold move.

signing a "sleeper" isn't "bold" in as much as a reach.

I didn't say bold, I said aggressive, something you guys are chagrining Jerry and BP as lacking in, and he's only a reach in the armchair GM mind

 

[superpunk]

They have only been doing it for six years. You act like it's been an on going thing for the last twenty years. It's hard to say something hasn't worked when it's only been six years, and only two with a competent HC at the helm. And, in those latter two years, the improvement is evident.

Look past your hate for just a moment, and realize, that the Skins are getting better by the hour whether we like it or not.

You don't get it, and obviously never will. It has nothing to do with hate. There is a model for success, and continued success, in the salary cap era - and it is NOT the Skins model. The one year (2005) they tried to establish continuity, and not ridiculously overspend, they make the playoffs. Coincidence? Go ahead and believe that if it helps fuel your envy. I doubt it was just coincidence. Wildly pursuing and overspending for FAs has never worked for anyone - ever. The sooner you realize that, the more you'll understand the reality of the situation.

 

[Eddie]

Exactly....let's remember the Commanders were below .500 at midseason and made a run with a soft schedule and a couple lucky wins. Now they think they are world beaters.

It will be fun to watch them crash and burn....again.

Lucky wins? Like beating the P out of us???

Hate the Skins, but give them credit ... they've done more in one season than we've done in 10 years.

All this Commander bashing eeks of jealousy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The sooner you realize that, the more you'll understand the reality of the situation.

that's why level-headed people leave no holes in their argument, sorry chicken littles

I've been picking this guy's argument apart, and using his own words to do it

 

[iceberg]

I didn't say bold, I said aggressive, something you guys are chagrining Jerry and BP as lacking in, and he's only a reach in the armchair GM mind

back the lynch mobile up sif. i didn't say i had a HUGE problem with the way we were approaching it. i just think we should have gone for a top OL in bentley or hutchinson and we didn't even sneeze at that idea.

you know your qb needs help, you know your ol was pathetic last year, so what do you do? resign someone from that line and sign a "sleeper" and then let the two top ones go w/o even a glance. we're going to continue to have the OL problem because i don't feel we can fix it ALL in the draft.

for being a 'reach' only to us "unwashed" - uh huh. whatever dude. we've done nothing to fix our OL so i don't expect us to perform MUCH better than we did last year.

as for the rest of FA i agree it's a long one and people are panicing. i just feel we missed (2) opportunities to make "valid" improvements to the line.

 

[Chuck 54]

Lucky wins? Like beating the P out of us???

Hate the Skins, but give them credit ... they've done more in one season than we've done in 10 years.

All this Commander bashing eeks of jealousy.

AMEN

 

[iceberg]

and iceberg, notice I threw a wrench in your philosophy? Dallas went on a spending binge, and still missed the playoffs, while the Skins lost people, didn't make many signings, and made the playoffs

hmmmm

oh gee - and that retro-hindsight 20/20 thinking is just what we need to prove JUST HOW IT ALWAYS works.

so far like it or not we're doing a sub-par job at filling glaring needs. we're not done yet but we're not doing enough to the OL to make a difference there and if that doesn't vastly improve, we're still just a little above average overall.

 

[superpunk]

oh gee - and that retro-hindsight 20/20 thinking is just what we need to prove JUST HOW IT ALWAYS works.

so far like it or not we're doing a sub-par job at filling glaring needs. we're not done yet but we're not doing enough to the OL to make a difference there and if that doesn't vastly improve, we're still just a little above average overall.

We're three days in, man. Three days. I think we can hold the sky up a few more, don't you?

 

[BlueWave]

We're three days in, man. Three days. I think we can hold the sky up a few more, don't you?

If you are three rounds into a heavyweight fight, and you have yet to even throw a punch, I don't like my chances of winning. I guess we can always hope for the big knockout, but, at this point, what would that be?

 

[iceberg]

We're three days in, man. Three days. I think we can hold the sky up a few more, don't you?

oh good god - express a little doubt and you're all of a sudden lumped in with those saying the season is over.

please take a few to understand my entire stance and not just lob out "chicken little" crap, ok? i agree people are vastly overreacting to a LOT of the positions. i just feel we need to do more to our OL and we had 2 to at least look at we never did. that said, i don't care for this entire direction parcells has us on so 3 days of a FA period don't mean a thing to me other than trying to address a glaring need with a solid/proven player is a good move.

wanna save money? great, we'll resign wiley's of the world and be frugal and not overpay for . . . what was that guys name again - the one getting all the sacks we COULD have had but we weren't going to "overpay".

we're doing it again. that's all. please resume your blind generic insult lobbing.

 

[superpunk]

If you are three rounds into a heavyweight fight, and you have yet to even throw a punch, I don't like my chances of winning. I guess we can always hope for the big knockout, but, at this point, what would that be?

Jeez-pete's.....there are still plenty of good "punches" to be had, if that's the analogy you want to roll with.

 

[iceberg]

If you are three rounds into a heavyweight fight, and you have yet to even throw a punch, I don't like my chances of winning. I guess we can always hope for the big knockout, but, at this point, what would that be?

you threw a punch but no one noticed. that and you hit yourself with the gurode move.

most of the positions we need to fill have good players there - i just think we wiffed on fixing the OL.