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I'm listening to DC radio as I type this. They've already restructured Brunell, Portis, Springs and Randy Thomas, but they're still approx 15 mill over. In the meantime, they plan to release nobodies like Walt Harris, Noble, Raymer, perhaps John Hall, and Ramsey will be traded. They're praying that the owner-player squabble is rectified by Sunday, followed by a 10 mill cap increase. If they don't get that expected increase, they're screwed.
 

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bbgun said:
I'm listening to DC radio as I type this. They've already restructured Brunell, Portis, Springs and Randy Thomas, but they're still approx 15 mill over. In the meantime, they plan to release nobodies like Walt Harris, Noble, Raymer, perhaps John Hall, and Ramsey will be traded. They're praying that the owner-player squabble is rectified by Sunday, followed by a 10 mill cap increase. If they don't get that expected increase, they're screwed.

I don't know why everybody is referring to Hall and Harris being cut as "no big deal." Harris was a starting CB last year and their nickel guy. Granted, Carlos Rogers will take over, but there's no guarantee that he'll be better than Harris next season. Also, losing a kicker typically isn't good. Just ask me about the Dallas kicking situation this past season.

If they don't get the deal extended, I think at the very least they will be hurting in the sense that if somebody gets injured, they'll be bringing in whomever from the scrap heap to be on their roster.

I have heard reports that it would be almost mathematically impossible for them to get under the cap without some big name cuts like Jansen or Washington, but I don't know if that's been confirmed yet.

Still, I believe that the negotiations are far apart right now. I think if the ownership is lucky, they'll have to come up to at LEAST 59% to strike a deal. Upshaw has already proven that he's not afraid to walk out once, so the owners will definitely have significantly up the ante.

Rich...........
 

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Best thing about the Portis restructure is they paid him MORE money yet cut his deal 3 years SHORTER

So they paid him more cash to be under contract less time. Portis is now a FA in 3 seasons when he is 27
 

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I think some of you are missing the point about the cuts. Cutting all those "no names" is depth. Don't ever forget the NFL is a 4+ month long, GRUELING 16 game season.

The problem for a team making a lot of cuts is not the front-line players, it's the quality of the roster from 1 thru 52.
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
I think some of you are missing the point about the cuts. Cutting all those "no names" is depth. Don't ever forget the NFL is a 4+ month long, GRUELING 16 game season.

The problem for a team making a lot of cuts is not the front-line players, it's the quality of the roster from 1 thru 52.

You, Sir...have earned one Silver Star! :star:

Rotation on the lines (offense and defense), is a must...you got to rest the players...and to to that? You have to get good backup players...

It you don't have good backups....because you had to get rid of them, well....guess what?

That's how you BECOME THE Commanders! :laugh2:
 

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5Stars said:
You, Sir...have earned one Silver Star! :star:

Rotation on the lines (offense and defense), is a must...you got to rest the players...and to to that? You have to get good backup players...

It you don't have good backups....because you had to get rid of them, well....guess what?

That's how you BECOME THE Commanders! :laugh2:


Good points.

Then when you factor in the injuries that inevitably come you have a bad situation for the team. Just think about the Skins losing Jansen in the pre-season a couple of years ago and having to play 52 year old Ray Brown or even the 'Boys this past year when Flozell went down.

QUALITY depth in the NFL is CRUCIAL .

Also, thanks for the Silver Star!! :D :starspin
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
I think some of you are missing the point about the cuts. Cutting all those "no names" is depth. Don't ever forget the NFL is a 4+ month long, GRUELING 16 game season.

The problem for a team making a lot of cuts is not the front-line players, it's the quality of the roster from 1 thru 52.

Not good enough. I want them to suffer a Frisco-like fall from grace. Losing depth hurts, but that's hardly what I expected.
 

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Who have the Skins cut? That's right, nobody.

The CBA will get done this weekend. The cap will be increased to 105-108M, and the Skins will be very active in free agency again.

Jansen also restructured today. In all: Jansen, Thomas, Springs, Portis, and Brunell are the ones reported to have restructured. I still think Lavar has/will defer some money. I would say that's at least 7M in savings, so if the CBA is extended then the Skins are already under the cap without having cut anyone.

I still think the following will be cut:
Noble (retiring)
Jacobs (sucks)
Raymer (sucks)
Holdman (sucks)
Hall (please sign him in Dallas)

Those cuts free up about 8M, which is more than enough to sign 2 quality free agents and all of their draft picks.

You may not like Dan Snyder, but no one can call him stupid. He is worth more than everyone on this board combined and owns his favorite sports team. I wish I was that stupid!
 

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I still think the following will be cut:
Noble (retiring)
Jacobs (sucks)
Raymer (sucks)
Holdman (sucks)
Hall (please sign him in Dallas)

Those cuts free up about 8M, which is more than enough to sign 2 quality free agents and all of their draft picks.


Those cuts dont come close to freeing up 8 million

CBA is not going to get done keep wishing.

Portis got more money and they cut 3 years off his contrct yup thats good business lmao
 

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Who have the Skins cut? That's right, nobody.

The CBA will get done this weekend. The cap will be increased to 105-108M, and the Skins will be very active in free agency again.

Um, I thought you guys were praying for an uncapped 2007 so that you could spend like a lottery winner at Scores. Now you want a deal to get done? I smell fear.
 

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Good points.

Then when you factor in the injuries that inevitably come you have a bad situation for the team. Just think about the Skins losing Jansen in the pre-season a couple of years ago and having to play 52 year old Ray Brown or even the 'Boys this past year when Flozell went down.

QUALITY depth in the NFL is CRUCIAL .

Also, thanks for the Silver Star!! :D :starspin

Not only that! What about character players? Look at whats-his-name...the gun lover for the Commanders...that tries to shoot at someone he thought stoled one of his toys!

What's that losers name? His trial is coming up....

JJ might be stupid, like a Fox...he had been through this...and he knows....

Little Snyder, that jumped up and down like a little brat when they beat the Cowboys the first time? Well, that's cool...the Boyz will keep on keeping on!

A team can be good, physically...but...if you don't have any character (and that is pertains to anything in life)...YOU LOSE!

But, I want the Commanders, and the Eagles, and the Giants...to be at their best!

No excuses...:star:
 

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You may not like Dan Snyder, but no one can call him stupid. He is worth more than everyone on this board combined and owns his favorite sports team. I wish I was that stupid!

well his favorite team is the foreskins....that pretty much qualifies you.

Dan Snyder is half the man of most in this forum and not worth crap stacked as tall as his 5'2" height. He's just another spoiled little rich kid.
 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030201425.html


Commanders Get Three-Day Reprieve

By Joseph White
Associated Press
Thursday, March 2, 2006; 6:19 PM

ASHBURN, Va. - The Washington Commanders worked to slash some $20 million from their payroll Thursday, then learned that austerity measures might not be necessary after all.

Those on the Commanders' cut list got a reprieve late in the day when the NFL announced that the start of free agency had been postponed for three days. Instead of a 10 p.m. Thursday deadline to get under the salary cap, teams now have until 6 p.m. Sunday.

The extra time gives the league and the players' union time to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement that would substantially raise the 2006 salary cap, thereby averting the major talent purge many teams were fearing.

Although the Commanders were well above the $94.5 million cap at the start of the day, the team's biggest names were not in danger of being released. An official within the league, speaking on condition of anonymity because the cuts were not announced, said the cuts would not have been as severe as expected because the team had considered the possibility of a breakdown in the agreement when negotiating player contracts over the last two years.

As the day progressed, the Commanders were able to make savings by renegotiating existing deals with cornerback Shawn Springs, running back Clinton Portis and others, the official said, leaving valuable veterans such as offensive linemen Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas and defensive linemen Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels safe from the chopping block.

"As a player, you're about the team," Springs said. "You do the best you can do to help out the team."

Those on the prospective cut list included quarterback Patrick Ramsey, safety Matt Bowen, center Cory Raymer, defensive tackle Brandon Noble and cornerback Walt Harris, but most of those players were expected to be released regardless of the outcome of the collective bargaining agreement talks.

"The Commanders have done an excellent job of restructuring a number of contracts in anticipation of a deal (on the agreement) not being consummated," said agent Leigh Steinberg, who reworked quarterback Mark Brunell's deal earlier in the week.

The Commanders are hoping for a new agreement that would set a cap in the $105 million to $110 million range so they can again be aggressive in pursuing free agents. Coach Joe Gibbs is hoping to build off the franchise's first playoff appearance in six years by adding a receiver, a cornerback and a pass-rushing defensive lineman. Also, the team has several free agents it would like to keep: safety Ryan Clark and tight end Robert Royal are unrestricted, and guard Derrick Dockery is restricted.

The free agency period is now set to begin at 12:01 a.m. Monday.

If the Commanders can't be big players in free agency, it would buck an aggressive, big-spending trend established when owner Dan Snyder bought the team in 1999. However, if there is not a new agreement by Sunday, the 2007 season would have no salary cap at all, allowing Snyder to spend more or less at will.

The Commanders were able to renegotiate existing deals with Shawn Springs and Clinton Portis on Thursday even as the NFL pushes back the deadline for free agency by 72 hours.
 

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Tags threw them a life preserver. Id'a thrown them an anchor.
 

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ah, the conspiracy cries have begun.

Like there aren't 31 other teams including Dallas that were part of this extension. There weren't many teams that were working to get under the cap. And as the article says above, a lot of folks weren't getting the correct information. They seemed ready to be under the cap tonight without cutting a lot of folks.
 

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I don't see how you can use Taylor's off the fields problems which are alleged since no gun was found unlike Chris Henry as a testimony to the entire team(I sound like Otter from Animal House..:) ), by all those vet players stepping up and negotiating, that shows their character in itself. Lets be realists for a minute ok?
 
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