So Fellas, Do You Think Jerry Trades Both 1s For Mcfadden

[YosemiteSam]

Not necessarily.

Think of it this way...

What if the Browns' pick ends up being around 15 and our pick around 25.


With those picks, on THIS team, we likely won't get a year 1 or year 2 starter. That player would likely be depth.

With a 15th and 25th pick you can get a lot of talent that could even become active contributors as a rookies. Any of these positions could easily contribute as rookies. CB, WR, RB, NT, or S. To trade two #1 for McFadden would be outright stupid. There is no guarantee he is going to be a superstar in this league. Without question, Adrian Peterson has/had a better chance to be a superstar than McFadden because he is just outright more talented and doesn't just depend on speed which anyone who knows anything knows raw collegiate speed doesn't translate to the NFL. Raw speed is McFadden's biggest asset.

As I said yesterday, if Jones trades both first rounders (unless they are both in the mid 20s and higher) for McFadden, I will be time to start a coup because he will be returning to the dumb GM moves he made in the past.

 

[THUMPER]

It is more likely that we trade one of our 1st rounders for a 2nd in 2008 and a 1st in 2009. Jerry likes to make deals like that and it sets us up for the future as we can continue to work deals each year until we need to package them for a superstar player.

RB isn't an area of need and as good as McFadden is he isn't the 2nd coming of Jim Brown, he is just the best RB this year. The only position I can imagine Jerry trading 2 1st rounders for is a QB but since we don't need one it won't happen.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Exactly.

I don't know what it is with these people that want 15 tackles drafted every year.

The fact is McQ has looked good in the preseason and Free definitely showed he had the footwork to do the job.

At this point I would be shocked to see us spend a 1st day pick on an offensive lineman quite frankly. I could see a #4 on a guard or guard/center but that's about it.

Frees only issue is run blocking, but I think run blocking is much easier taught than pass protection. I love Marten's run blocking and mean streak. Very Colombo like, but it will be an uphill battle for him attain great pass protection technique.

 

[dbair1967]

With a 15th and 25th pick you can get a lot of talent that could even become active contributors as a rookies. Any of these positions could easily contribute as rookies. CB, WR, RB, NT, or S. To trade two #1 for McFadden would be outright stupid. There is no guarantee he is going to be a superstar in this league. Without question, Adrian Peterson has/had a better chance to be a superstar than McFadden because he is just outright more talented and doesn't just depend on speed which anyone who knows anything knows raw collegiate speed doesn't translate to the NFL. Raw speed is McFadden's biggest asset.

As I said yesterday, if Jones trades both first rounders (unless they are both in the mid 20s and higher) for McFadden, I will be time to start a coup because he will be returning to the dumb GM moves he made in the past.

this is entirely your opinion, and probably wont be an opinion shared by scouts...McFadden is not just a speed back, and Peterson is definitely not "outright more talented" than McFadden...either your a huge Peterson homer, or just havent watched McFadden play much, if at all

David

 

[YosemiteSam]

It is more likely that we trade one of our 1st rounders for a 2nd in 2008 and a 1st in 2009. Jerry likes to make deals like that and it sets us up for the future as we can continue to work deals each year until we need to package them for a superstar player.

The way I see it and were the Cowboys are right now, I wouldn't want them to trade down. If there is good usage talent in the draft in the first round, I say take it. If there is a very talented RB and a NT then get them. CB and RB, take them. The only way I trade down is if I can get the player I'm looking at after trading down. Sort of like Philly did. They didn't want to trade with Dallas, but they knew who they wanted and it was overall in their best interest to get as much talent for their first rounder as possible. The QB they wanted and extra pick(s).

 

[CATCH17]

this is entirely your opinion, and probably wont be an opinion shared by scouts...McFadden is not just a speed back, and Peterson is definitely not "outright more talented" than McFadden...either your a huge Peterson homer, or just havent watched McFadden play much, if at all

David

Agreed. In fact I would say Peterson and McFadden are identical except McFadden can do more. I'd say McFadden is more agile too.

Plus McFadden is running great against SEC defenses that are stacked and have been stacked since he got there.

 

[YosemiteSam]

this is entirely your opinion, and probably wont be an opinion shared by scouts...McFadden is not just a speed back, and Peterson is definitely not "outright more talented" than McFadden...either your a huge Peterson homer, or just havent watched McFadden play much, if at all

David

Nope, I'm a TCU/Texas fan. There is no "homer" involved in Peterson. I do not like OU. I've watched them both. The difference is Peterson breaks tackles where McFadden doesn't. Peterson look more like MBIII except with burner speed. McFadden on the other hand, usually goes down after contact. I've have heard so many people say, not he runs people over. Oh yeah? Show me. I have yet to have someone show me. I on the other hand can produce lots of clips of Peterson breaking all kinds of tackles. And like McFadden, I can produce all kinds of clips of him running by would be tacklers.

The proof is in the pudding, Peterson as a rookie is 6th in the league in rushing and 2nd over all in the NFC as a rookie. That is on a team that has a horrible passing game. Teams know he is going to run, yet they are having trouble stopping him. McFadden will join the league next year. Lets see how he compares.

btw, I think it is you that is the homer.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Agreed. In fact I would say Peterson and McFadden are identical except McFadden can do more. I'd say McFadden is more agile too.

Plus McFadden is running great against SEC defenses that are stacked and have been stacked since he got there.

You're psychotic.

 

[CATCH17]

Nope, I'm a TCU/Texas fan. There is no "homer" involved in Peterson. I do not like OU. I've watched them both. The difference is Peterson breaks tackles where McFadden doesn't. Peterson look more like MBIII except with burner speed. McFadden on the other hand, usually goes down after contact. I've have heard so many people say, not he runs people over. Oh yeah? Show me. I have yet to have someone show me. I on the other hand can produce lots of clips of Peterson breaking all kinds of tackles. And like McFadden, I can produce all kinds of clips of him running by would be tacklers.

The proof is in the pudding, Peterson as a rookie is 6th in the league in rushing and 2nd over all in the NFC as a rookie. That is on a team that has a horrible passing game. Teams know he is going to run, yet they are having trouble stopping him. McFadden will join the league next year. Lets see how he compares.

btw, I think it is you that is the homer.

:bang2:

 

[dbair1967]

Nope, I'm a TCU/Texas fan. There is no "homer" involved in Peterson. I do not like OU. I've watched them both. The difference is Peterson breaks tackles where McFadden doesn't. Peterson look more like MBIII except with burner speed. McFadden on the other hand, usually goes down after contact. I've have heard so many people say, not he runs people over. Oh yeah? Show me. I have yet to have someone show me. I on the other hand can produce lots of clips of Peterson breaking all kinds of tackles. And like McFadden, I can produce all kinds of clips of him running by would be tacklers.

The proof is in the pudding, Peterson as a rookie is 6th in the league in rushing and 2nd over all in the NFC as a rookie. That is on a team that has a horrible passing game. Teams know he is going to run, yet they are having trouble stopping him. McFadden will join the league next year. Lets see how he compares.

btw, I think it is you that is the homer.

like I said, its obvious you havent watched him much, if at all

McFadden is going to be drafted very early, perhaps even #1 overall, for a reason

David

 

[CATCH17]

You're psychotic.

I would bet that NFL GM's grade McFadden higher than they did Peterson.

 

[dbair1967]

I would bet that NFL GM's grade McFadden higher than they did Peterson.

I dont think there's much doubt he'll carry a higher grade on most, if not all draft boards...McFadden doesnt have any weaknesses in his game, and he's also extremely versatile...and he's done this against the best defensive talent in the country because he plays in the SEC...he dominates games and can carry a team...unless he gets injured, he is going to be a tremendous NFL player...

David

 

[CATCH17]

I dont think there's much doubt he'll carry a higher grade on most, if not all draft boards...McFadden doesnt have any weaknesses in his game, and he's also extremely versatile...and he's done this against the best defensive talent in the country because he plays in the SEC...he dominates games and can carry a team...unless he gets injured, he is going to be a tremendous NFL player...

David

Exactly.... Peterson disapeared in some big bowl games for the Sooners as good as he was.

The only good defense he really lit up was Texas his Freshmen year.

D Mac is lighten up teams like LSU and Auburn.

 

[iceberg]

Agreed.

I don't know where the heck these folks that are coming from that want even more offensive tackles drafted.

same place all these people come from that do anything and everything to draw up a scenario to where we get mcfadden.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

same place all these people come from that do anything and everything to draw up a scenario to where we get mcfadden.

There's some truth in that.

If our cupboard was bare at RB I could see some interest in the guy but at this point we need more help at corner and we need a speed WR.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I've have heard so many people say, not he runs people over. Oh yeah? Show me. I have yet to have someone show me. I on the other hand can produce lots of clips of Peterson breaking all kinds of tackles. And like McFadden, I can produce all kinds of clips of him running by would be tacklers.

:bang2:

like I said, its obvious you havent watched him much, if at all

McFadden is going to be drafted very early, perhaps even #1 overall, for a reason

David

As you can see, I offered you the chance to prove your claim yet in both of your responces neither of you even attempted to support your claim only boldly proclaimed I had no idea what I was talking about.

If you can't support your claim, then your claim has no credence.

 

[Zaxor]

There's some truth in that.

If our cupboard was bare at RB I could see some interest in the guy but at this point we need more help at corner and we need a speed WR.

absolutely...I don't think it is that far fetched to think we might grab Howie's son Chris or a other 3-4 DE...

 

[iceberg]

There's some truth in that.

If our cupboard was bare at RB I could see some interest in the guy but at this point we need more help at corner and we need a speed WR.

i've been told i'm "harsh" on the issue but it started off knowing cleveland would suck, so we'll get #1 and he's ours. well now cleveland doesn't suck, so it will cost us both our picks. the more cleveland wins the "MOB" (mcfadden or bust) crowd now says that the teams worse that cleveland don't need a rb. well, NO didn't *need* an rb but took bush anyway to compliment deuce. so that theory is just hope.

it's just strange watching people go beyond reasonable options to draw up whatever it takes to make mcfadden a cowboy as if no other player in this draft can help the team or is worthy of being drafted.

in this mindset, we don't draft mcfadden we're losers and had a bad draft.

i'd rather:

sign m turner to resolve RB upgrade issues
sign/trade for fitzgerald or roy williams to resolve WR issues using our 1st round pick
draft BPA across the board whether it's OL, CB, WR or whatever.

but hey, i could be wrong also. i just see that as more prudent.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

this is entirely your opinion, and probably wont be an opinion shared by scouts...McFadden is not just a speed back, and Peterson is definitely not "outright more talented" than McFadden...either your a huge Peterson homer, or just havent watched McFadden play much, if at all

David

NYC has been putting McFadden down, or at least saying that Peterson is clearly better, all year... Who knows why.

Take that nice run Peterson had last week, where he blew through the line and then almost got between the two DBs. IMO McFadden splits those guys and goes all the way. Just my opinion, though.

 

[zrinkill]

sign m turner to resolve RB upgrade issues
sign/trade for fitzgerald or roy williams to resolve WR issues using our 1st round pick
draft BPA across the board whether it's OL, CB, WR or whatever.

That sounds good

I would love to have Fitzgereld as a Cowboy ..... he, T.O., Witten, and Crayton would be unstoppable .....