So Fellas, Do You Think Jerry Trades Both 1s For Mcfadden

[YosemiteSam]

and he's done this against the best defensive talent in the country because he plays in the SEC...

SEC != NFL. It's amazing how many people want to believe that good in college means good in the NFL. It doesn't. It's not completely how they perform in college, it's the traits they display in college that you want to look for. Which is why this list exist.

D Mac is lighten up teams like LSU and Auburn.

Let see him light up NFL defenses rather than defenses that half the team will not make the NFL. I'm not saying he won't, I'm only saying he doesn't have Peterson's tackle breaking ability or his intangibles.

As I told dblair, SEC != NFL.

 

[TheCount]

Judging by the coming draft, we should be able to get 2 "quality" picks with our 2 1st rounders. The RB class is pretty deep and we should be able to get a good one with Cleveland's pick (Rice and Hart to name 2) and a good CB or WR with our own picks. Not often you get an opportunity to take 2 players in the 1st round.

I agree, even if we miss out on McFadden, there are some pretty good RB's coming out. I think think RB is our need though, so if we don't get McFadden, I'd look for a WR and CB as our first pick.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm with Rack and the guys who support the quality-over-quantity theory.

To me it's this simple: If you think Darren McFadden is the next great running back, you give up two No.1s and you take him - no questions asked.

Assuming he is, imagine teams having to defense Romo, TO, Witten, Crayton, MBIII (No, he's not going anywhere) AND McFadden?

If you load up the box, we'll beat you through the air. If you double TO, we beat you with Witten or Crayton or on a screen to McFadden.

If you flood the secondary, then we send McFadden at you. You tire of McFadden running over you, then we send out MBIII to finish you off.

You talk about a potent offense, which will help our defense immensely.

As for other needs, unless those corners or wide receivers are going to be the next Deion Sanders or Jerry Rice, you just find them in lower rounds. Reeves is developing into a pretty good player, as have many cornerbacks picked in the lower rounds of the draft.

Besides, unless the guys you're dropping down to get are of the talent level of Deion or Jerry Rice, they're going to be spot players in their first year anyway and are going to need a few years of seasoning.

Meanwhile, McFadden can start right away and complement an already strong offense.

Go for the proven talent. Don't get fancy trying to collect more players who may not be as special as the one you're targeting.

I've seen McFadden this year, and his style translates well into the NFL, especially if he has blocking. He's tough, he's fast and he's explosive.

I'm still hoping Cleveland tanks so this won't even have to be an issue. Even so, as it stands, the teams that suck hard now (Miami, Minnesota and Atlanta) will need quarterbacks so we'll still be in range to make a trade with one of those teams, assuming the Cleveland pick is within range.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm with Rack and the guys who support the quality-over-quantity theory.

To me it's this simple: If you think Darren McFadden is the next great running back, you give up two No.1s and you take him - no questions asked.

I agree with that but Cleveland is showing that they can win at home -- if their pick is #10 and ours is in the 30s then those two picks will not get you high enough.

 

[iceberg]

I agree with that but Cleveland is showing that they can win at home -- if their pick is #10 and ours is in the 30s then those two picks will not get you high enough.

here's what comes up next:
the really bad teams don't need a RB
carpenter suddenly has "value"
jjones suddenly has "value"
he'll slide due to all these factors and we can pick him up around 8-10 w/o much of a problem.

those MOB will hold onto the dream as long as they can till he's called onto atlanta or something.

 

[Zaxor]

I'm with Rack and the guys who support the quality-over-quantity theory.

To me it's this simple: If you think Darren McFadden is the next great running back, you give up two No.1s and you take him - no questions asked.

Assuming he is, imagine teams having to defense Romo, TO, Witten, Crayton, MBIII (No, he's not going anywhere) AND McFadden?

If you load up the box, we'll beat you through the air. If you double TO, we beat you with Witten or Crayton or on a screen to McFadden.

If you flood the secondary, then we send McFadden at you. You tire of McFadden running over you, then we send out MBIII to finish you off.

You talk about a potent offense, which will help our defense immensely.

As for other needs, unless those corners or wide receivers are going to be the next Deion Sanders or Jerry Rice, you just find them in lower rounds. Reeves is developing into a pretty good player, as have many cornerbacks picked in the lower rounds of the draft.

Besides, unless the guys you're dropping down to get are of the talent level of Deion or Jerry Rice, they're going to be spot players in their first year anyway and are going to need a few years of seasoning.

Meanwhile, McFadden can start right away and complement an already strong offense.

Go for the proven talent. Don't get fancy trying to collect more players who may not be as special as the one you're targeting.

I've seen McFadden this year, and his style translates well into the NFL, especially if he has blocking. He's tough, he's fast and he's explosive.

I'm still hoping Cleveland tanks so this won't even have to be an issue. Even so, as it stands, the teams that suck hard now (Miami, Minnesota and Atlanta) will need quarterbacks so we'll still be in range to make a trade with one of those teams, assuming the Cleveland pick is within range.

and if Mcfadden fails... let me think of all the can't miss RB's taken in the first round off the top of my head KiJana Carter, Blair Thomas, Alonzo Highsmith, Curtis Enis aww heck there is a TON of them also look at the % of them that go bust 49% so roughly half are full blown busts...now check out the CB's and DE's and if you can get 2 Stars or even if you are lucky 2 superstars is it worth giving them up for a half a chance that you might get a good RB...I don't think so...there are other RB's that can be had without forfeiting the other pick...


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl

First-Round Bust Percentages
QB -- 53 percent
RB -- 49 percent
WR -- 45 percent
DT -- 33 percent
OL -- 31 percent
DE -- 31 percent
CB -- 29 percent
LB -- 16 percent
S -- 11 percent

 

[AbeBeta]

here's what comes up next:
the really bad teams don't need a RB
carpenter suddenly has "value"
jjones suddenly has "value"
he'll slide due to all these factors and we can pick him up around 8-10 w/o much of a problem.

those MOB will hold onto the dream as long as they can till he's called onto atlanta or something.

I especially like the trading of a free agent...

 

[wileedog]

and if Mcfadden fails... let me think of all the can't miss RB's taken in the first round off the top of my head KiJana Carter, Blair Thomas, Alonzo Highsmith, Curtis Enis aww heck there is a TON of them also look at the % of them that go bust 49% so roughly half are full blown busts...now check out the CB's and DE's and if you can get 2 Stars or even if you are lucky 2 superstars is it worth giving them up for a half a chance that you might get a good RB...I don't think so...there are other RB's that can be had without forfeiting the other pick...

The problem with your strategy is that to me, an impact game changing RB is worth more than a good CB and a good DE.

But its not about the position, its how you grade the players. If Ireland and Co. go through the tape and McFadden rates off the charts better than everyone else relative to their positions, then you make the deal and move up. If a CB and DE rate close enough to him that you get more value by not trading, then you don't.

Personally I think the offense needs a young playmaker to grow into his prime with Romo, be it WR or RB, and McFadden looks like the best % to be that guy at either position.

I don't think its the 'only' way to go or they would be 'dumb' not to (I'd definitely be interested in dealing for Fitzgerald instead if the rumors are legit), but I do want that young offensive playmaker more than another CB.

 

[CATCH17]

NYC Are you kidding me?

Listen this is all McFadden did... He goes to practice, hes respectful to the media, hes RESPECTFUL to the PUBLIC, and hes a good kid.

 

[btcutter]

Remeber Tony Dorsett trade?!!! Quality is #1. If you believe you got a great prospect..get him. Don't settle for maybe we can get a steal mentality...that will get every franchise in trouble. For every great 49er draft, you'll fine 5 other teams who got cute and failed miserably (how about our own drafts in the late 90's).

 

[THUMPER]

I don't understand all this love for McFadden. He may be the top RB in college right now but he isn't all that. He is not a great receiver, he is not a great blocker. He is tall and lean and quick, has good vision and acceleration but he is not LT.

You don't trade two 1st round picks for a guy like that. He is nowhere near as good as Tony Dorsett was.

 

[YosemiteSam]

NYC Are you kidding me?

Listen this is all McFadden did... He goes to practice, hes respectful to the media, hes RESPECTFUL to the PUBLIC, and hes a good kid.

I don't recall comparing McFadden to Satan. I never said he was a bad kid or even untalented. My statement that seems to get under a few peoples skin is that Adrian Peterson is a better player.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Hey guys, I know the draft is still months and months away, but they were showing on SportsCenter how the teams with the top 5 picks last year are all doing reasonably well this year, given their expectations.

That got me thinking.....if Cleveland goes 6-10 or maybe 7-9 and we end up with maybe a pick between 10-15 range, does Jerry trade our pick (#32 of course!!!) and the Browns pick for say the #1 or #2 overall to get McFadden?

I have to admit that I have never watched an Arkansaw game, only seen highlights on SportsCenter of McFadden. He looks like a BEAST from the highlights, but I was wondering if some of all have watched his games this year.

Is McFadden worth 2 #1 picks???

Knowing Jerry its certainly possible... and may be worth it. Having 2 #1 picks is great but there is no guarantee that they both work out. If RunDMC is all that then I say do it.

If we dont and we end up with a good back and good corner... I could live with that also. Unless McFadden tears up the league for years to come.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It is a really tough question......but, with Barber healthy.....I guess we need a young stud cb or wr worse.

 

[Eddie]

All this Macfadden talk is tiring. Julius will be resigned and MB will be extended. No more issues with our running game.

We have two first rounders, and we need them both. We're thin at WR, DT, and CB. I'm also hoping against hope we don't draft another LB with our top picks.

 

[wileedog]

All this Macfadden talk is tiring. Julius will be resigned and MB will be extended. No more issues with our running game.

I'd be surprised. I don't think Julius *wants* to come back, he has been criticized mercilessly for two years (not entirely without merit, I may add).

Touchdowns make RBs money - not wearing down defenses early so the other guy who everyone thinks is better than you anyway gets the money runs.

I still don't get the impression Julius likes the situation here, even now with BP gone.

We have two first rounders, and we need them both. We're thin at WR, DT, and CB. I'm also hoping against hope we don't draft another LB with our top picks.

A star RB lessens the immediate need for a WR IMO. Also, unless he's a stud NTs typically don't warrant 1st round picks IMO. Both of our current starters were 7th rounders (Fergie and Ratliff). PLus we have Tank through next season as well. At CB, do we really need two #1 draft picks running around back there?

I'd still like an impact offensive guy. If that's a WR rated as highly as McFadden fine, but that's the best bang for the picks IMO.

 

[Rack]

With a 15th and 25th pick you can get a lot of talent that could even become active contributors as a rookies. Any of these positions could easily contribute as rookies. CB, WR, RB, NT, or S. To trade two #1 for McFadden would be outright stupid. There is no guarantee he is going to be a superstar in this league. Without question, Adrian Peterson has/had a better chance to be a superstar than McFadden because he is just outright more talented and doesn't just depend on speed which anyone who knows anything knows raw collegiate speed doesn't translate to the NFL. Raw speed is McFadden's biggest asset.

As I said yesterday, if Jones trades both first rounders (unless they are both in the mid 20s and higher) for McFadden, I will be time to start a coup because he will be returning to the dumb GM moves he made in the past.

Dumb moves he made in the past? The dumb moves he made was when he traded DOWN.

Was it dumb when he traded up and got Russell Maryland?

Was it a good move to sit instead of trading up to get Tony Gonzales?

Do you even pay any attention to the cowboys?

this is entirely your opinion, and probably wont be an opinion shared by scouts...McFadden is not just a speed back, and Peterson is definitely not "outright more talented" than McFadden...either your a huge Peterson homer, or just havent watched McFadden play much, if at all

David

SEC != NFL. It's amazing how many people want to believe that good in college means good in the NFL. It doesn't. It's not completely how they perform in college, it's the traits they display in college that you want to look for. Which is why this list exist.

Let see him light up NFL defenses rather than defenses that half the team will not make the NFL. I'm not saying he won't, I'm only saying he doesn't have Peterson's tackle breaking ability or his intangibles.

As I told dblair, SEC != NFL.

Easily the dumbest post in this thread.

I agree with that but Cleveland is showing that they can win at home -- if their pick is #10 and ours is in the 30s then those two picks will not get you high enough.

If he falls to around #7 then those two might get it done. However, I think cuz of the success AP is having so far, it's gonna give McF more value and he'll be drafted higher.

Remeber Tony Dorsett trade?!!! Quality is #1. If you believe you got a great prospect..get him. Don't settle for maybe we can get a steal mentality...that will get every franchise in trouble. For every great 49er draft, you'll fine 5 other teams who got cute and failed miserably (how about our own drafts in the late 90's).

Exactly.



It's like this, would you rather sit and pick David LaFleur or trade up and get Tony Gonzales?

 

[CATCH17]

I think NYC smoked a fatty before posting the SEC! = NFL defenses crap Rack.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Dumb moves he made in the past? The dumb moves he made was when he traded DOWN.

Was it dumb when he traded up and got Russell Maryland?

Was it a good move to sit instead of trading up to get Tony Gonzales?

Do you even pay any attention to the cowboys?







Easily the dumbest post in this thread.




If he falls to around #7 then those two might get it done. However, I think cuz of the success AP is having so far, it's gonna give McF more value and he'll be drafted higher.




Exactly.



It's like this, would you rather sit and pick David LaFleur or trade up and get Tony Gonzales?

You know. Sometimes you have something half way enlightening to say. Other times, well my three month old puppy's whinning is more intelligent. The draft isn't a perfect science. I'm not sure what you were implying when you said Russell Maryland. As a first overall pick, I consider him a bust. Was he a good player? Yes, but a bust as a #1 overall pick. BTW, Jimmy Johnson gets credit for that one. Reading back over what you replied to me vs what I wrote. I said he made mistakes and you quoted many of them and then acted like I didn't know what I was talking about. I have no f'in clue what the hell you are talking about. Dude, don't use drugs before you post.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think NYC smoked a fatty before posting the SEC! = NFL defenses crap Rack.

I think you did because SEC isn't the NFL. :bang2:


EDIT: Hmm, maybe you just don't quite comprehend what "!=" means. Just an FYI, "!=" is a logical operator meaning "Not Equal To".