So How Does This Help The Defense?

[Rack]

And looking back at all the "Super Offenses" over the last 30 years...

The Chargers of the early 80's
The Bills of the early 90's
The Dolphins of the middle 80's
The Vikings of the late 90's
The Ram's at the turn of the Century
The Pat's last year...

How many Super Bowls have they won?

I see 1.

Completely irrelevant.

You asked what it would do to help the defense, not what it would do to help us win a superbowl.

 

[theebs]

Our defenses in that era were very underrated quality defenses. Conversely, we were not exactly full of firepower. We didn't go around scoring 30-40 points each Sunday with Aikman throwing 300 yards a week. We ground out wins with a running game and solid defense intermixed with a big play here or there.

Not to mention our safeties made plays every week.

When it was everett and washington, they made big plays.

When it was woody and marion they made plays.

What do we get from our safeties now...tackles...sometimes. and that is it.

Larry brown twice now has said during the post game show that the corners on this team are as good or better than the ones back then but The safeties here are pretty much terrible. He has gone on and on about how if the safeties do nothing but tackle the corners always will look bad and that good safeties can help good corners look like great ones.

This defense doesnt compare at all to that one.

 

[Alexander]

Not to mention our safeties made plays every week.

When it was everett and washington, they made big plays.

When it was woody and marion they made plays.

What do we get from our safeties now...tackles...sometimes. and that is it.

Larry brown twice now has said during the post game show that the corners on this team are as good or better than the ones back then but The safeties here are pretty much terrible. He has gone on and on about how if the safeties do nothing but tackle the corners always will look bad and that good safeties can help good corners look like great ones.

This defense doesnt compare at all to that one.

We were extremely strong down the middle in that era. The DL, Norton and the safeties were a big part of that.

You could say that is our soft spot right now. Ratliff cannot do it all alone, Zach Thomas tries, but Bradie James and the safeties are capable of being exploited whenever anyone wants.

 

[Kilyin]

He has gone on and on about how if the safeties do nothing but tackle the corners always will look bad and that good safeties can help good corners look like great ones.

Or in Larry's case, a bad QB throwing him two giftwrapped interceptions in the Superbowl can make a bad corner look good.

 

[percyhoward]

And looking back at all the "Super Offenses" over the last 30 years...

The Chargers of the early 80's
The Bills of the early 90's
The Dolphins of the middle 80's
The Vikings of the late 90's
The Ram's at the turn of the Century
The Pat's last year...

How many Super Bowls have they won?

I see 1.

The question was how does the trade help the defense, right? It should help the defense by keeping them of the field more.

 

[Alexander]

I see it as far from a positive. If this defense thinks that we will just hang 35 points on everyone and believe they can get by each week, it is the same thing Witten was talking about the other day.

The offensive nature of this team does not put much accountability on the defense. They have to be more accountable and realize that from time to time they will have to stop people, really stop them. Not just get happy every now and then if they do. I do not see a bunch of defensive pride. I see relief when they force a punt or get a turnover, not satisfaction.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I see it as far from a positive. If this defense thinks that we will just hang 35 points on everyone and believe they can get by each week, it is the same thing Witten was talking about the other day.

The offensive nature of this team does not put much accountability on the defense. They have to be more accountable and realize that from time to time they will have to stop people, really stop them. Not just get happy every now and then if they do. I do not see a bunch of defensive pride. I see relief when they force a punt or get a turnover, not satisfaction.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Or in Larry's case, a bad QB throwing him two giftwrapped interceptions in the Superbowl can make a bad corner look good.

I get so tired of hearing that crap!

What happened in that game was exactly what we thought would happen, it was our game plan actually.

In the AFC Champ game, the Steelers threw deep, and actually hit a deep pass behind the defense late in that game to beat the Colts.

Dallas' gameplan was to keep O'Donnell from throwing over or behind our defense and make him keep throwing the underneath or short passes believing he would eventually get impatient and make a mistake.

He did just that.

It may have looked like a gift, but we forced him to make a mistake by the way we approached their "long bomb" offense.

Kudos to the defensive gameplan.

 

[chinch]

that is what coaches are for.

I see it as far from a positive. If this defense thinks that we will just hang 35 points on everyone and believe they can get by each week, it is the same thing Witten was talking about the other day.

The offensive nature of this team does not put much accountability on the defense. They have to be more accountable and realize that from time to time they will have to stop people, really stop them. Not just get happy every now and then if they do. I do not see a bunch of defensive pride. I see relief when they force a punt or get a turnover, not satisfaction.

It may have looked like a gift, but we forced him to make a mistake by the way we approached their "long bomb" offense

He made the bad decision mistake and made terrible throws. Should have thrown it away. Nothing spectacular whatsoever and yes a gift.

 

[percyhoward]

I see it as far from a positive.

The trade you mean?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We were extremely strong down the middle in that era. The DL, Norton and the safeties were a big part of that.

You could say that is our soft spot right now. Ratliff cannot do it all alone, Zach Thomas tries, but Bradie James and the safeties are capable of being exploited whenever anyone wants.

No doubt.

Those team had tons of high picks spent on the DL and LBs, too. Maryland, Jimmie Jones, Casillas, Haley, Norton, Dixon Edwards, Darrin Smith.

But Wade is expected to get similar results from JAGs like Marcus Spears and Bradie James.

It makes no sense.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

No doubt.

Those team had tons of high picks spent on the DL and LBs, too. Maryland, Jimmie Jones, Casillas, Haley, Norton, Dixon Edwards, Darrin Smith.

But Wade is expected to get similar results from JAGs like Marcus Spears and Bradie James.

It makes no sense.

and the 20th pick of the 2005 draft the cowboys select Marcus Spears.....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How does this help the defense? Here is how it helps the defense. I don't see anybody in the NFL able to match up with our receiving corps. You can't match up against Roy and double up on TO because Crayton is going to beat any coverage man you can put on him. You can't cover Witten with a LB or even a safety. If you go nickel or dime then you invite our running game. The way I see it, all you can do is play zone. This helps the defense because our running game is now going to eat up serious clock. This is going to both allow our defense to stay fresher and limit there exposure to opposing offenses. The fact that we should now be able to create leads quicker and, theoretically larger, is also going to allow our defense to rush the passer more. It's going to put opposing running games on the bench. Our young DBs will be able to play safer coverages IMO. When Felix comes back, he is going to have a field day in a two back set. Teams are going to be forced to give something up and covering the backs in the flats is one one of those things. In a Two TE set, we are going to be a nightmare. Teams will still have to play off and they are never going to know what our intentions are. Pass or run. I see this helping the defense out incredibly.

A lot to give up but I think it's well worth it. Yeah, we give up a 1st, 3rd and 6th but that's really like a 2nd, and a 4th. We also get back whatever we were on the hook for in the trade for Jones. I'm really happy with this move.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

How does this help the defense? Here is how it helps the defense. I don't see anybody in the NFL able to match up with our receiving corps. You can't match up against Roy and double up on TO because Crayton is going to beat any coverage man you can put on him. You can't cover Witten with a LB or even a safety. If you go nickel or dime then you invite our running game. The way I see it, all you can do is play zone. This helps the defense because our running game is now going to eat up serious clock. This is going to both allow our defense to stay fresher and limit there exposure to opposing offenses. The fact that we should now be able to create leads quicker and, theoretically larger, this is also going to allow our defense to rush the passer more. It's going to put opposing running games on the bench. Our young DBs will be able to play safer coverages IMO. When Felix comes back, he is going to have a field day in a two back set. Teams are going to be forced to give something up and covering the backs in the flats is one one of those things. In a Two TE set, we are going to be a nightmare. Teams will still have to play off and they are never going to know what our intentions are. Pass or run. I see this helping the defense out incredibly.

A lot to give up but I think it's well worth it. Yeah, we give up a 1st, 3rd and 6th but that's really like a 2nd, and a 4th. We also get back whatever we were on the hook for in the trade for Jones. I'm really happy with this move.

We have 11 draft picks right now!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry is a genius and this move was amazing!!!!!!! CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[percyhoward]

ABQ, that's a great explanation for anybody who was really asking.

 

[jobberone]

You cannot give up as many yards as we are doing and win. And the yards are not nearly as much as given up by the defense directly as it is anemia of the offense along with inconsistency and then the failure of the STs.

Yes the defense needs to make more plays. I'll agree that with the talent there I don't see enough big plays on defense.

But teams are almost always going to score on you in this league to the tune of 17+ points a game. You have to consistently move the ball. You're going to get some 3 and outs but you can't have too many. We are and the problem is covering TO up and now they are learning to minimize Witten. There just wasn't anyone else getting open consistently.

Jerry just filled the hugest hole on offense we had. There are zero holes on offense now ignoring injuries at the present. You must score in this league and at least 25 a game. Not 45 then 15 but 25+ a game. Do that and you're in the hunt.

Jerry filled the last hole on this team. It's now on the coaches and players to win. They have a big enough gun to finish the deal. It may take awhile to see the results of RWr. I'm going to use that way to distinguish ORW from DRW until someone comes up with a better way.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How does this help the defense? Here is how it helps the defense. I don't see anybody in the NFL able to match up with our receiving corps. You can't match up against Roy and double up on TO because Crayton is going to beat any coverage man you can put on him. You can't cover Witten with a LB or even a safety. If you go nickel or dime then you invite our running game. The way I see it, all you can do is play zone. This helps the defense because our running game is now going to eat up serious clock. This is going to both allow our defense to stay fresher and limit there exposure to opposing offenses. The fact that we should now be able to create leads quicker and, theoretically larger, this is also going to allow our defense to rush the passer more. It's going to put opposing running games on the bench. Our young DBs will be able to play safer coverages IMO. When Felix comes back, he is going to have a field day in a two back set. Teams are going to be forced to give something up and covering the backs in the flats is one one of those things. In a Two TE set, we are going to be a nightmare. Teams will still have to play off and they are never going to know what our intentions are. Pass or run. I see this helping the defense out incredibly.

A lot to give up but I think it's well worth it. Yeah, we give up a 1st, 3rd and 6th but that's really like a 2nd, and a 4th. We also get back whatever we were on the hook for in the trade for Jones. I'm really happy with this move.

Good analysis ABC-- as usual.

But I see two potential negatives that you didn't cover.

#1. With a Roy Williams added to the passing offense I could easily see this team continue to push the needle towards a passing offense first-- and not a rushing offense. You may not see this offense even try to bludgeon any defense with the run.

#2. Yes, the offense has the ability to strike from anywhere on the field, and yes, yes, yes points are the ultimate goal... but are 4 play, 80 yard drives or 3 play 60 yard drives going to help the defense? In other words I'm not sure that the this move helps Dallas increase its time-of-possession.

The other thing to keep in mind, and someone compiled these stats on another web site yesterday-- but when this team scores, the defense is allowing the other team to score a full 50% of the next on the other team's next possession.

 

[percyhoward]

#1. With a Roy Williams added to the passing offense I could easily see this team continue to push the needle towards a passing offense first-- and not a rushing offense. You may not see this offense be able to bludgeon any defense with the run.

This offense never could bludgeon anybody with the run. We've always been a pass-first team. We run effectively when we get the lead. This trade improves our chances of getting leads--and bigger leads.

#2. Yes, the offense has the ability to strike from anywhere on the field, and yes, yes, yes point are the ultimate goal... but are 4 play, 80 yard drives or 3 play 60 yard drives going to help the defense? In other words I'm not sure that the this move helps Dallas increase its time-of-possession.

Anything that opens up the running game (as this trade should do) will help increase time of possession.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This offense never could bludgeon anybody with the run. We've always been a pass-first team. We run effectively when we get the lead. This trade improves our chances of getting leads--and bigger leads.

Anything that opens up the running game (as this trade should do) will help increase time of possession.

I agree with your points Percy...

The trouble is the word "should".

At the start of training camp this year, how many people figured that the defense (and the special teams for that matter) "should" be better than it is now?

 

[Kilyin]

I get so tired of hearing that crap!

What happened in that game was exactly what we thought would happen, it was our game plan actually.

In the AFC Champ game, the Steelers threw deep, and actually hit a deep pass behind the defense late in that game to beat the Colts.

Dallas' gameplan was to keep O'Donnell from throwing over or behind our defense and make him keep throwing the underneath or short passes believing he would eventually get impatient and make a mistake.

He did just that.

It may have looked like a gift, but we forced him to make a mistake by the way we approached their "long bomb" offense.

Kudos to the defensive gameplan.

Last reply I'll make on the subject...

There was no receiver anywhere close to where O'Donnell made those throws. The only person in the area was Larry Brown, both times.

Either someone ran the wrong route both times, or O'Donnell is even dumber than I thought.