So, which free agent WR can Jerry Jones replace T.O. with next season?

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ABQCOWBOY;1232634 said:
He has a degenerative knee condition. It's a bone on bone situation, as I understand it. Over time, it will only worsen. In situations like that, you never really know how long a player can go. WRs take an average of 3 to 4 years to develope. A guy like Glenn would be very hard to replace IMO. Might make a great deal of sense to start working on that now. JMO of course.

That is not always the case about WRs taking 4 years to develop. WRs are like RBs. They can make an immediate impact their first season but can be a crapshoot if taken high in the draft. Colsten in NO is an example of how a WR can make an impact in his first season. Boldin in arizona is another example.

T.O. is definitely replaceable and although he has the stats he has not had the impact that we thought he would. IMO he can be replace by the guys we have now in Hurd and Austin. Yes he does command double teams but he also is not getting separation like he used to nor getting the long runs and YAC he is known for. I believe if you give Hurd and Austin the same opportunities they too can be playmakers as well.

If we really want to put Romo in the same class as Brady then consider that he also won with mediocre talent at the receiver position and even this year his team will win their division with probably the worst recieving corp in the league less Atlanta's soap finger receivers.

It would be lovely if they could draft a Calvin johnson or Jarret or Ginn but they probably wont be available that late.

Say what you will about how great T.O. is and how JJ will keep him but his ills are self-inflicted and BP will not endure another season with his drama. It is simply not worth it. The eagles moved on and so will the Boys. BP knows thatdefense wins championships and he now has the qb to drive the bus on offense. The cap money saved on T.O. can be used on a top pass rusher, a solid OLineman and maybe a good FS. They can used their top two picks on a good receiver to develop and a back-up d-tackle.

Bottom line is T.O. has ran himself out of town and the drama free camps and season will be worth releasing him. This team has great potential and they can build on a young receiver who wants to win for the team AND parcells than an overrated veteren who plays for himself.

JJ and BP know they can do better. T.O will find out that he cant!
 

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we will not be able to get anyone in the draft that will causes defensive coordinators to gameplan for them....if we go the draft route, we better get someone like Randy Moss here until the young pup is ready to go...but again, I will not rest until the following is no longer an option: go get Andre Johnson from the Texans
 

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sjordan6;1232666 said:
That is not always the case about WRs taking 4 years to develop. WRs are like RBs. They can make an immediate impact their first season but can be a crapshoot if taken high in the draft. Colsten in NO is an example of how a WR can make an impact in his first season. Boldin in arizona is another example.

T.O. is definitely replaceable and although he has the stats he has not had the impact that we thought he would. IMO he can be replace by the guys we have now in Hurd and Austin. Yes he does command double teams but he also is not getting separation like he used to nor getting the long runs and YAC he is known for. I believe if you give Hurd and Austin the same opportunities they too can be playmakers as well.

If we really want to put Romo in the same class as Brady then consider that he also won with mediocre talent at the receiver position and even this year his team will win their division with probably the worst recieving corp in the league less Atlanta's soap finger receivers.

It would be lovely if they could draft a Calvin johnson or Jarret or Ginn but they probably wont be available that late.

Say what you will about how great T.O. is and how JJ will keep him but his ills are self-inflicted and BP will not endure another season with his drama. It is simply not worth it. The eagles moved on and so will the Boys. BP knows thatdefense wins championships and he now has the qb to drive the bus on offense. The cap money saved on T.O. can be used on a top pass rusher, a solid OLineman and maybe a good FS. They can used their top two picks on a good receiver to develop and a back-up d-tackle.

Bottom line is T.O. has ran himself out of town and the drama free camps and season will be worth releasing him. This team has great potential and they can build on a young receiver who wants to win for the team AND parcells than an overrated veteren who plays for himself.

JJ and BP know they can do better. T.O will find out that he cant!

There are no hard and fast rules about how long it takes for WRs to develope but the over whelming evidence is that it typically takes a few years for WRs to develope, regardless of how talented they are. There are exceptions but I would not bank on such an exception were I drafting a WR.

As far as the rest, TO is signed. If we want to keep him, we can. If not, we won't. I am not a TO fan so for me, it really makes little difference.

Glenn, on the other hand, is a different story IMO. That's mainly the point I was trying to make.
 

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bbailey423;1232671 said:
we will not be able to get anyone in the draft that will causes defensive coordinators to gameplan for them....if we go the draft route, we better get someone like Randy Moss here until the young pup is ready to go...but again, I will not rest until the following is no longer an option: go get Andre Johnson from the Texans

If given the choice between keeping TO and signing Moss.....I'd keep TO. Ok I think I'm going to :puke:


I doubt Andre Johnson leaves Houston anytime soon.
 

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I'm sure i'm alone on this one but i'd love to have Randy Moss in some kind of trade, he and TO wow what a pair.
 

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tsumma;1232723 said:
I'm sure i'm alone on this one but i'd love to have Randy Moss in some kind of trade, he and TO wow what a pair.

Bookend headcases just what we need :eek:
 

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tsumma;1232723 said:
I'm sure i'm alone on this one but i'd love to have Randy Moss in some kind of trade, he and TO wow what a pair.


Moss and TO are two sides of the same quarter to me. However, I see no way on God's green earth that the two could co-exist on the same team. That's a mushroom cloud waiting to happen IMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1232730 said:
Moss and TO are two sides of the same quarter to me. However, I see no way on God's green earth that the two could co-exist on the same team. That's a mushroom cloud waiting to happen IMO.

It would make Hirosima and Nagasaki look like a cheap firecracker.
 

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Yeagermeister;1232736 said:
It would make Hirosima and Nagasaki look like a cheap firecracker.


Three BlackCats and a Bottle Rocket. Yeah, I'd have to agree.
 

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I had TO and Randy Moss on my Madden 05 team.

Was awesome.

I think this could really work out because it did in Madden.

;)
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1232482 said:
Well, I've seen Johnson and Ginn play and both are exceptional. Having said that, Dwayne Jarrett might be the best USC WR I've seen come out in recent history. Considering the talent at that position, that's saying something IMO. Jarrett is one heck of a player.

Alot of us thought the same about Mike Williams as well. A tall acrobatic USC reciever with no speed doesn't interest me. Robert Meachem from Tennessee does more for me. As much anybody outside of Calvin Johnson who will be long gone when we pick.
 

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Too bad we couldnt have their talent without their Ego's how would teams stop a due like that of course we would need a QB who could actually throw the long ball and romo cannot what so ever.
 

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smarta5150;1232747 said:
I had TO and Randy Moss on my Madden 05 team.

Was awesome.

I think this could really work out because it did in Madden.

;)

Absolutely :D
 

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smarta5150;1232747 said:
I had TO and Randy Moss on my Madden 05 team.

Was awesome.

I think this could really work out because it did in Madden.

;)

We clearly would have to bring Bledsoe back at QB if we are going to make any run next year regardless of the WR's. After all he was a first round draft pick.
 

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What is really great about THIS thread is the amount of good receivers that will be available in the draft. Now it does seem that great college receiver doesnt equate to good pros but at least this draft the cowboys will have options. I still trust in Big Bill and his eye for talent. Antonio Bryant and Crayton are good receivers that BP drafted. Yes we know about the headaches Bryant cause but from a talent perspective it was a good pick.

You guys have to admit that each one of the receivers you have named have a chance to be very good in the league. Glenn is still a very good receiver and will a better line for the running game I think we can an even better team will a young receiver...a veteren receiver...a pro bowl TE and a very good third recevier in Crayton.

I actually think we will be better off without T.O next season because his production can be made up thru the rest of the team. We would love to get a Calvin Johnson or Dewayne Jarrett but if not then signing the titans FA receiver and drafting another one would actually be better than T.O. and probably cost the same amount of money.
 

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The last thing this team or any other team for that matter needs is Randy Moss.
 

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Moss and T.O. will never work and the fans would go nuts over the mere thought of two head cases. JJ and BP have put a premium on character players and they went against the grain in T.O. and now see why they need to stick with the formula.

Moss is not apart of that formula and was the main reason JJ didnt draft him.

Moss will be traded and T.O. will be released in February. Neither will be cowboys nor should they.
 

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I still beleive we are a BETTER team with TO and that dumping him would give our offense with our YOUNG and INEXPERIENCE receivers problems.

TG is amazing but he needs a guy like TO across the field from him. TO is drawing the attention and allowing TG to run into open spots on the field.

You can say anything you want about TOs drop passes but he is still demanding the attention from defenses.

You can also say his off field antics are disrupting the team but that is all skeptical. No one here or there can prove that what he says to the media has affected the team on Sundays.

IMO we look WR not next year but the following year.

We have bigger needs right now in the OL, pass rusher, and another CB.
 

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Natedawg44;1232749 said:
Alot of us thought the same about Mike Williams as well. A tall acrobatic USC reciever with no speed doesn't interest me. Robert Meachem from Tennessee does more for me. As much anybody outside of Calvin Johnson who will be long gone when we pick.

That's true. Many did, however, I was not one of them. I always thought Mike Williams was not quick enough and took too long to reach top speed. I thought Williams would have made a good TE but not so much WR.

I've had good opportunity to watch Jarrett and he is no Mike Williams IMO. To think they are the same would be a mistake. Jarrett is more like Herman Moore IMO but possibly with better hands and speed. Jarrett catches the ball like a pro receiver now. Nothing gets to his body, he catches well with his hands. Snaggs the ball out of the air, goes to it's highest point and is already a nice route runner.

To me, Williams and Jarrett are not the same WRs. JMO of course.
 

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smarta5150;1232783 said:
TG is amazing but he needs a guy like TO across the field from him. TO is drawing the attention and allowing TG to run into open spots on the field.


In truth, Glenn was doing this for us way before Owens got here. Owens makes the offense better but I don't know that I would say he makes TG better. Not saying this is what you said or even ment. Just saying that TG, assuming he stays healthy, is good enough to post numbers on his own. This really is a good WR we are talking about here with Glenn.
 
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