So, which free agent WR can Jerry Jones replace T.O. with next season?

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ABQCOWBOY;1232792 said:
In truth, Glenn was doing this for us way before Owens got here. Owens makes the offense better but I don't know that I would say he makes TG better. Not saying this is what you said or even ment. Just saying that TG, assuming he stays healthy, is good enough to post numbers on his own. This really is a good WR we are talking about here with Glenn.

Yeah but with a lineup like TG, Crayton and a ROOKIE defense will be allowed to put FULL attention on TG.

Unless we got lucky like the Saints and hit a guy like Colston I dont see anyone else having the same affect as a TO yet.

I'd rather see us go OL or Pass Rusher 1st round.

I am all for a WR if we can find a steal later in the draft.
 

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smarta5150;1232783 said:
I still beleive we are a BETTER team with TO and that dumping him would give our offense with our YOUNG and INEXPERIENCE receivers problems.

TG is amazing but he needs a guy like TO across the field from him. TO is drawing the attention and allowing TG to run into open spots on the field.

You can say anything you want about TOs drop passes but he is still demanding the attention from defenses.

You can also say his off field antics are disrupting the team but that is all skeptical. No one here or there can prove that what he says to the media has affected the team on Sundays.

IMO we look WR not next year but the following year.

We have bigger needs right now in the OL, pass rusher, and another CB.

T.O. does draw attention but he can be replaced. Our young and inexperienced receivers still can make plays.

Its not that his off the field comments affect on the field production but does him on the field production warrent putting up with the off the field nonsense.

The answer ( and you will see this off-season ) is no.

It really doenst matter if BP is back or not. T.O. will not be.

Think about it. BP handled the whole T.O. media blitz like a pro and genius. Never showed emotions and was more patient with one player than he ever has been. To be honest I dont know of a single coach who would been able to handle T.O. the way parcells has.

Now if BP retires, you think the next coach will be able to do the same.

jimmy johnson is the only coach i think that T.O. could play for and he's not coming here.

It would be better to sign a good productive receiver or draft one and cut your losses with owens. He did what you ask for and maybe will be able to get you to the SB but the team doesnt need him nor want him.
 

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sjordan6;1232666 said:
T.O. is definitely replaceable

and although he has the stats he has not had the impact that we thought he would.

IMO he can be replace by the guys we have now in Hurd and Austin.

Yes he does command double teams but he also is not getting separation like he used to nor getting the long runs and YAC he is known for.

I believe if you give Hurd and Austin the same opportunities they too can be playmakers as well.

  • Sure he is replaceable BUT by whom - isnt he 2nd alot of WR cat's
  • Yes he has the stats but not impact - this is due to drops and not enough BIG opp's his way - a better OC would have him on fire
  • Yes he commands double teams and much attention - that is why we are ranked so high as a team with offense
  • He is not getting seperation - just not true - sure he is not getting seperation on every play but he has been open PLENTY
  • YAC/RAC - not enough of the right opp's for him... if he drops you gotta try again - drops are part of the game(his game) Steve Smith now has what 10 drops? not a peep)
  • Hurd and Austin could turn out to be playmakers in time BUT if they were THAT good already we would have an idea
 

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I still like TO to stick around personally.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Who are the FA WRs this off season anyway?
 

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GoinForSix;1232461 said:
Between Ted Ginn, Calvin Johnson, and Sydney Rice one of those 3 guys will fall to us in round 1 and Jerry won't make the mistake of passing up on a stud WR again. Irony is this will be the 10th anniversay (1996 I think) of the Ellis over Moss fiasco.
1998 and it was hardly a fiasco if you'll recall in 1999 Dallas started off hot with Irvin/ Ismail before Irvin's career ended. If you are going to complain about TO then why would you even consider Randy Moss as a Cowboy a good thing?
 

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Aikbach;1232814 said:
1998 and it was hardly a fiasco if you'll recall in 1999 Dallas started off hot with Irvin/ Ismail before Irvin's career ended. If you are going to complain about TO then why would you even consider Randy Moss as a Cowboy a good thing?

Cause it worked in Madden 05 damnit.

What a dumb question.
 

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conner01;1232515 said:
here are your options at wr
1 Donte' Stallworth 6-0 196 26 Eagles 15 rec, 304 yds, 20.3 avg, 2 TD
2 Drew Bennett 6-5 206 28 Titans 25 rec, 379 yds, 15.2 avg, 2 TD
3 Ashley Lelie 6-3 200 27 Falcons 17 rec, 298 yds, 17.5 avg
4 Ernest Wilford (RFA) 6-4 223 28 Jaguars 20 rec, 273 yds, 13.7 avg, 2 TD
5 Bobby Engram 5-10 188 34 Seahawks 18 rec, 198 yds, 11.0 avg, 1 TD
6 Travis Taylor 6-1 210 28 Vikings 26 rec, 317 yds, 12.2 avg, 1 TD
7 Kevin Curtis 5-11 186 29 Rams 25 rec, 256 yds, 10.2 avg, 3 TD
8 Troy Brown 5-10 196 36 Patriots 24 rec, 238 yds, 9.9 avg, 3 TD
9 Drew Carter (RFA) 6-3 200 26 Panthers 15 rec, 179 yds, 11.9 avg, 2 TD
10 Mike Furrey 6-0 205 30 Lions 41 rec, 503 yds, 12.3 avg, 3 TD

i don't see anyone who is in the league with t.o. there, so either you draft a guy, move some of the young guys into starters, or keep t.o.



Here is the list again of pretty good receivers that will be availabe. Bennet is good but Vince Young is not a very accurate receiver but I think would be good for Romo.

I think we would be better served by drafting a receiver but there is not a "big time" recevier available. I would love to see if they could get Andre Johnson in a trade but that's wishful thinking.
 

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sjordan6;1232824 said:
Here is the list again of pretty good receivers that will be availabe. Bennet is good but Vince Young is not a very accurate receiver but I think would be good for Romo.

I think we would be better served by drafting a receiver but there is not a "big time" recevier available. I would love to see if they could get Andre Johnson in a trade but that's wishful thinking.

1 Donte' Stallworth 6-0 196 26 Eagles 15 rec, 304 yds, 20.3 avg, 2 TD
2 Drew Bennett 6-5 206 28 Titans 25 rec, 379 yds, 15.2 avg, 2 TD
3 Ashley Lelie 6-3 200 27 Falcons 17 rec, 298 yds, 17.5 avg
4 Ernest Wilford (RFA) 6-4 223 28 Jaguars 20 rec, 273 yds, 13.7 avg, 2 TD
5 Bobby Engram 5-10 188 34 Seahawks 18 rec, 198 yds, 11.0 avg, 1 TD
6 Travis Taylor 6-1 210 28 Vikings 26 rec, 317 yds, 12.2 avg, 1 TD
7 Kevin Curtis 5-11 186 29 Rams 25 rec, 256 yds, 10.2 avg, 3 TD
8 Troy Brown 5-10 196 36 Patriots 24 rec, 238 yds, 9.9 avg, 3 TD
9 Drew Carter (RFA) 6-3 200 26 Panthers 15 rec, 179 yds, 11.9 avg, 2 TD
10 Mike Furrey 6-0 205 30 Lions 41 rec, 503 yds, 12.3 avg, 3 TD

I will stick with TO. Thanks.
 

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WittenOwnsYou82;1232523 said:
Let the bashing begin because I'm sure this is going to sound ridiculous to most, but who cares? I don't even think we need to draft or sign anyone. Granted, if Calvin Johnson or Teddy Ginn Jr. fell to our pick, I'd be upset if we didn't draft them.

I'm content with the Future of Hurd, Austin, and Crayton. And you forget we still would have the NFL's best hands in Terry Glenn. You don't need a true number 1 to win. Look at those Pats Super Bowl teams. You cannot tell me Deion Branch or Troy Brown or David Givens were #1's. They were all number 2s. It's all in the system. Plus, Terry Glenn is better than any one those 3. Also, I'm going to say that our JJ/MBIII combo is a million times better than their Antwoin Smith/Kevin Faulk combo or even their Corey Dillion/Faulk combo.
If you're going to go with those 3, you're gonna need a world class offensive line to keep Romo upright, while these youngsters try to get opened. We'll see.
 

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smarta5150;1232828 said:
1 Donte' Stallworth 6-0 196 26 Eagles 15 rec, 304 yds, 20.3 avg, 2 TD
2 Drew Bennett 6-5 206 28 Titans 25 rec, 379 yds, 15.2 avg, 2 TD
3 Ashley Lelie 6-3 200 27 Falcons 17 rec, 298 yds, 17.5 avg
4 Ernest Wilford (RFA) 6-4 223 28 Jaguars 20 rec, 273 yds, 13.7 avg, 2 TD
5 Bobby Engram 5-10 188 34 Seahawks 18 rec, 198 yds, 11.0 avg, 1 TD
6 Travis Taylor 6-1 210 28 Vikings 26 rec, 317 yds, 12.2 avg, 1 TD
7 Kevin Curtis 5-11 186 29 Rams 25 rec, 256 yds, 10.2 avg, 3 TD
8 Troy Brown 5-10 196 36 Patriots 24 rec, 238 yds, 9.9 avg, 3 TD
9 Drew Carter (RFA) 6-3 200 26 Panthers 15 rec, 179 yds, 11.9 avg, 2 TD
10 Mike Furrey 6-0 205 30 Lions 41 rec, 503 yds, 12.3 avg, 3 TD

I will stick with TO. Thanks.



Hey, i am not saying that these guys are better than T.O, that's obvious!

But the reason Owens is here is because of his mouth, not production. Attitude and character count in this league and both of his are the main reason he goes. No one has ever denied his talent but it is the "other stuff" that draws the critism.

Mark my words that this guy will not be here next season. The Cowboys made it to the playoff with Joey galloway, a half-season Terry Glenn, Rocket Ishmail, and a 5-9 rookie return/reciever ( forget his name) and troy hambrick as your running back!

This team will be good more so because of the QB position moreso than the receiver position. As you can see, you can find a good receiver if you have a good qb to throw it and the veterens Vinny and Bledsoe just didnt cut it.

T.O. can be replaced but as long as we have Romo then this team can move forward.
 

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smarta5150;1232828 said:
1 Donte' Stallworth 6-0 196 26 Eagles 15 rec, 304 yds, 20.3 avg, 2 TD
2 Drew Bennett 6-5 206 28 Titans 25 rec, 379 yds, 15.2 avg, 2 TD
3 Ashley Lelie 6-3 200 27 Falcons 17 rec, 298 yds, 17.5 avg
4 Ernest Wilford (RFA) 6-4 223 28 Jaguars 20 rec, 273 yds, 13.7 avg, 2 TD
5 Bobby Engram 5-10 188 34 Seahawks 18 rec, 198 yds, 11.0 avg, 1 TD
6 Travis Taylor 6-1 210 28 Vikings 26 rec, 317 yds, 12.2 avg, 1 TD
7 Kevin Curtis 5-11 186 29 Rams 25 rec, 256 yds, 10.2 avg, 3 TD
8 Troy Brown 5-10 196 36 Patriots 24 rec, 238 yds, 9.9 avg, 3 TD
9 Drew Carter (RFA) 6-3 200 26 Panthers 15 rec, 179 yds, 11.9 avg, 2 TD
10 Mike Furrey 6-0 205 30 Lions 41 rec, 503 yds, 12.3 avg, 3 TD

I will stick with TO. Thanks.


These stats are not correct.

Stallworth has 669 yrds and 34 receptions for a 20 yrd avg
Wilford has 30 receptions
Bennet with 42 catches for 662 yrds

They are old.
 

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Natedawg44;1232749 said:
Alot of us thought the same about Mike Williams as well. A tall acrobatic USC reciever with no speed doesn't interest me. Robert Meachem from Tennessee does more for me. As much anybody outside of Calvin Johnson who will be long gone when we pick.


Jarret is the best reciever coming out this year, hands down.

Jarrett >>>> M. Williams
 

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sjordan6;1232849 said:
Hey, i am not saying that these guys are better than T.O, that's obvious!

But the reason Owens is here is because of his mouth, not production. Attitude and character count in this league and both of his are the main reason he goes. No one has ever denied his talent but it is the "other stuff" that draws the critism.

Mark my words that this guy will not be here next season. The Cowboys made it to the playoff with Joey galloway, a half-season Terry Glenn, Rocket Ishmail, and a 5-9 rookie return/reciever ( forget his name) and troy hambrick as your running back!

This team will be good more so because of the QB position moreso than the receiver position. As you can see, you can find a good receiver if you have a good qb to throw it and the veterens Vinny and Bledsoe just didnt cut it.

T.O. can be replaced but as long as we have Romo then this team can move forward.

Dont get me started on character issues of our team in the 90s.

So character issues shouldnt even play a role here.

TO hasnt been caught with drugs has he? SO he makes some bonehead comments that ONLY AFFECT FANS that want a "good guy."

When his comments affect the team and how they perform on Sundays (or Saturday night) then talk to me.

I am getting tired of all the "fans" on this board that let ESPN and the media affect how YOU think of our own players.
 

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sjordan6;1232824 said:
Here is the list again of pretty good receivers that will be availabe.

That's a decidedly pathetic list. There isn't one of those receivers who I would consider consistent enough to operate as a starting WR. Bennett is the best of the lot but he is more of a second type and I do not believe that Glenn is capable of beating double teams consistently enough.

Unless we are confident that Crayton can start and Hurd or Austin can be real threats as a third receiver, we would be unbelieveably stupid to release Terrell Owens. It would make the disaster we had after Glenn was injured in 2004 look like nothing.
 

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Alexander;1232892 said:
That's a decidedly pathetic list. There isn't one of those receivers who I would consider consistent enough to operate as a starting WR. Bennett is the best of the lot but he is more of a second type and I do not believe that Glenn is capable of beating double teams consistently enough.

Unless we are confident that Crayton can start and Hurd or Austin can be real threats as a third receiver, we would be unbelieveably stupid to release Terrell Owens. It would make the disaster we had after Glenn was injured in 2004 look like nothing.

I love you Alex.

You always come in and clean up at the right moment.

I was starting to get tired of repeating myself.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1232786 said:
That's true. Many did, however, I was not one of them. I always thought Mike Williams was not quick enough and took too long to reach top speed. I thought Williams would have made a good TE but not so much WR.

I've had good opportunity to watch Jarrett and he is no Mike Williams IMO. To think they are the same would be a mistake. Jarrett is more like Herman Moore IMO but possibly with better hands and speed. Jarrett catches the ball like a pro receiver now. Nothing gets to his body, he catches well with his hands. Snaggs the ball out of the air, goes to it's highest point and is already a nice route runner.

To me, Williams and Jarrett are not the same WRs. JMO of course.

Most people who have actually seen both guys play at USC would agree with you. Yes, they're both tall and from USC, but discounting Jarrett because of what happened to Williams would be a monumental mistake. I guarantee Williams will have little to no effect on where Jarrett goes in the draft.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1232786 said:
That's true. Many did, however, I was not one of them. I always thought Mike Williams was not quick enough and took too long to reach top speed. I thought Williams would have made a good TE but not so much WR.

I've had good opportunity to watch Jarrett and he is no Mike Williams IMO. To think they are the same would be a mistake. Jarrett is more like Herman Moore IMO but possibly with better hands and speed. Jarrett catches the ball like a pro receiver now. Nothing gets to his body, he catches well with his hands. Snaggs the ball out of the air, goes to it's highest point and is already a nice route runner.

To me, Williams and Jarrett are not the same WRs. JMO of course.

That might be true, but I just think Meachem will end up being a better WR. He has more deep speed and very good size. Like I said as far as I am concerned there is Calvin Johnson and then Meachem is number 2. I like him more than Ginn as well.
 
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