Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[Tony33]

It's very possible. Especially if one of the cuts happened right away.

Look. I don't know if you are insinuating the photo was a fake or if the police put the fake blood on his head or what you are trying to say. Maybe if you articulated what your hypothesis was on this rather than saying "It looks odd" then maybe we can figure out what you mean.

Do you think it's a fake photo or what?

The only way one injury dries during the fight is if they stopped and the resumed fighting, IMO. If that happened Zimmerman had time to get away and didn't need to kill the boy. As an aside, those two cuts even had they happened during the fight don't cause me to believe it was necessary to us deadly force. Especially in an altercation Zimmerman instigated.

I said what my position was a number of times. The blood flow pattern looks odd. I would like to see an explanation from the officials involved.

 

[Tony33]

Not on here and you would not believe it anyway..If I'm not mistaken I gave Hostile info on my background one time. You would maybe believe him -so send him a personal message..

And I didn't say it to argue with you ---you can stay confused or odd---The analysis is correct based on the what I can see in one photo.

Like I'm supposed to just believe that. Provide your proof, sorry your word just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[casmith07]

Righttttttt----Give me a break CA ---I know you mean well and everyone would like to believe the no lying in the judicial system---I'm not just throwing this out there. And like I said call it lying ,spin,leading questions ,bottom line it is all the same.....Be self righteous about it if you want to at this point in your life. As I said I will be glad to talk about my CV on a pm. Not on here

Considering I know the judiciary, since I study and work around it 5 days a week and twice on weekends, I think I know what I'm talking about.

Leading questions are prohibited and anyone worth their weight in salt will object in a court of law if opposing counsel is attempting to lead a witness.

The job of the prosecution is to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime in question occurred by using evidence they present, either testimonial (witnesses) or material (exhibits).

The job of the defense is to ask any questions, etc. of witnesses and to present their own exhibits that may give rise to reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury.

Lying will get you thrown out. The legal system, no matter how much you want it to be, is not however you think it is in your head or how you've seen on TV or movies.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The only way one injury dries during the fight is if they stopped and the resumed fighting, IMO. If that happened Zimmerman had time to get away and didn't need to kill the boy. As an aside, those two cuts even had they happened during the fight don't cause me to believe it was necessary to us deadly force. Especially in an altercation Zimmerman instigated.

I said what my position was a number of times. The blood flow pattern looks odd. I would like to see an explanation from the officials involved.

The two MEN were fighting. That much is obvious. The picture supports Zimmerman's statement that he had his head slammed into the concrete. If you get your head slammed into concrete you have a tendency to get dazed and panic. Also, do we know if the other man, Martin, had a weapon like a screwdriver. Or maybe he was trying to hit him with the can of Arizona Iced Tea. Or maybe he was pistol whipping him with a bag of skittles. See, I can make up stuff just as easily as you. The real question is, who attacked who? If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then he got shot and that is his fault. If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then Zimmerman is at fault.

Also, your whole Man/Boy thing is beyond absurd.

 

[justbob]

Like I'm supposed to just believe that. Provide your proof, sorry your word just doesn't cut it for me.

Didn't ask you to believe me ___I said message Hostile (surely you believe him )

He has access to my cv at anytime..

 

[justbob]

Considering I know the judiciary, since I study and work around it 5 days a week and twice on weekends, I think I know what I'm talking about.

Leading questions are prohibited and anyone worth their weight in salt will object in a court of law if opposing counsel is attempting to lead a witness.

The job of the prosecution is to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime in question occurred by using evidence they present, either testimonial (witnesses) or material (exhibits).

The job of the defense is to ask any questions, etc. of witnesses and to present their own exhibits that may give rise to reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury.

Lying will get you thrown out. The legal system, no matter how much you want it to be, is not however you think it is in your head or how you've seen on TV or movies.

And don't give me legal speak --sounds good and noble but its not real
Same as answer to other guy talk to Hos about my qualifications --or PM me an e-mail address and I will send me a cv....I trust you to keep it confidential

 

[Hostile]

I have stayed out of these threads. I don't like things that are racially charged. For the record, I have no opinion on Mr. Zimmerman's guilt or innocence. I think he should have plea bargained to manslaughter, but I do not know what evidence he can show.

Innocent until proven guilty is presumed and of course, in the public opinion, never presumed.

justbob e-mailed me a copy of his CV.

If you disagree with him, good luck, because no one on here is going to have more credentials.

And with that I return you to your diatribe.

 

[casmith07]

And don't give me legal speak --sounds good and noble but its not real
Same as answer to other guy talk to Hos about my qualifications --or PM me an e-mail address and I will send me a cv....I trust you to keep it confidential

How are you going to tell me not to give you "legal speak" when I'm a few classes and exams away from being an attorney, and a prosecutor at that? I'm not telling you how to do your job.

At no turn in this thread did I doubt your credentials or what you said. All I've attempted to do in these threads for the majority of the time is to quiet down the Holiday Inn Express lawyers who think that by watching a little CSI and Law and Order, and A Few Good Men, that they know how it works.

DO sleazy attorneys try to lie? I'm sure they do. But you won't last very long as a legitimate attorney (or as an attorney at all, hence why I said the court can easily disbar you). And guys & girls get disbarred for doing far less than lying before a judge in a court of law.

Edit: but I'm going to stop here, because burmafrd was right facepalm: can't believe I said that! j/k burm) -- the people in this thread have their mind made up about it one way or another, and not me, an attorney with 20 years experience, or a Supreme Court justice can tell them otherwise.

 

[justbob]

How are you going to tell me not to give you "legal speak" when I'm a few classes and exams away from being an attorney, and a prosecutor at that? I'm not telling you how to do your job.

At no turn in this thread did I doubt your credentials or what you said. All I've attempted to do in these threads for the majority of the time is to quiet down the Holiday Inn Express lawyers who think that by watching a little CSI and Law and Order, and A Few Good Men, that they know how it works.

DO sleazy attorneys try to lie? I'm sure they do. But you won't last very long as a legitimate attorney (or as an attorney at all, hence why I said the court can easily disbar you). And guys & girls get disbarred for doing far less than lying before a judge in a court of law.

I'll pm you when I get a chance.... I am not arguing with your intentions --I am telling you what reality is..Save this and pm me in a few years of the real world.. I don't mean to be disrespectful and I admire your service to our country. I congratulate you on being that close to being a lawyer..

And I also am stopping here .....Peoples minds are made up about this offense and how things are in the real world.....

 

[Tony33]

Didn't ask you to believe me ___I said message Hostile (surely you believe him )

He has access to my cv at anytime..

You made the comment, I don't care what a third party you may or may not emailed has to say. You said you have proof, then provide it. I'm reasonable I can admit if I'm wrong.

One person mentioned a plausible explanation although I don't think it explained all my questions, it was something I hadn't thought of before. The bulk are gravity defying explanations I don't buy.

Step up, you say you are an expert defend your position with some facts.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see how now how justice works in your world. You come up with some idea of what happened and when someone looks at all the possibilities, you automatically think they are trying to defend someone. Rather than being interested in trying to find the truth, you just want to convict someone, truth be damned.

You have your own agenda and simply want to hang a guy without all the facts. I don't. If he is guilty, then yes, but not until. I know it galls you that he is still breathing but you just have to suck it up. Maybe you can find a New Black Panther board to go join where hating and hanging are the two things that matter most and you can find some kindred spirits.

Oh now I'ma a NBP member.

i said that there is a bunch of conflicting information out there. Yeah thats really good prosecutorial material there.

Just do not tell us no one is defending Zimmerman. You are about the farthest thing away from an open mind around here, counselor.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And don't give me legal speak --sounds good and noble but its not real
Same as answer to other guy talk to Hos about my qualifications --or PM me an e-mail address and I will send me a cv....I trust you to keep it confidential

i don't care what resume you have or what hole on earth you claim to practice law but that is only 'legal speak' to a fifth grader. Oh he said 'exhibit' and 'jury.' Uh-oh he crossed the line by saying 'disbarment.' He sure is tyrying to big-time us.

I don't know what planet you are from but a perjury conviction is grounds for disbarment in all 50 states. With the microscope this case is under, your normal good ole boy policy of sweeping all that under the rug, isn't all that easy to pull off.

You familiar with what happened to the prosecutor for withholding exculpatory evidence and filing misrepresentations in the another racially charged highly public circus, the Duke lacrosse case? Oh yeah he was disbarred. Funny how prsecutorial conduct is frowned upon.

I guess its easier to make baseless accusations.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Oh now I'ma a NBP member.

i said that there is a bunch of conflicting information out there. Yeah thats really good prosecutorial material there.

Just do not tell us no one is defending Zimmerman. You are about the farthest thing away from an open mind around here, counselor.

Well again, reading is your main problem. I don't care if he is guilty or not. Just want the facts out there before we hang the guy. Take a remedial reading class and come back then.

 

[Rogah]

A grown man not following the direction of the police dispatcher, gets into an altercation with unarmed kid he was following and kills him. Bringing up the times the kid got into trouble like it somehow justifies what Zimmerman did, yet I am the one with an agenda.

So Zimmerman knew those past issues when he was following the boy and ended up killing him. I got into a fight with my bus driver when I was a kid, remind to stay out of your neighborhood.

Problem is that we don't really know that that's what happened, do we? Oh sure, several media outlets want you to believe that's the whole story, but according to one of Zimmerman's relatives (I think his father), Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle after the 911 dispatcher told him to.

A lot of people are dead-set 100% certain that Zimmerman followed Martin after being told not to. I wish they could show me the evidence that makes them so dead set 100% certain that that is indeed true.

 

[Rogah]

So okay. Then would it be fair not to bring up Zimmerman's past as some have done here? Because there is a contention on the defense's side that Martin started the physical confrontation?Regardless of if he was being followed or not. I mean, if we are going to look at Zimmerman's character, then we need to look at both of their characters.

While you never know what some judge is going to do, in general our system of criminal justice is designed to err on the side of the defendant. It is entirely possible that Martin's shady past gets brought into the courtroom whereas Zimmerman's shady past is not. Some may call that hypocritical, and maybe they're right, but that's how our CJ system works.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well again, reading is your main problem. I don't care if he is guilty or not. Just want the facts out there before we hang the guy. Take a remedial reading class and come back then.

Quiet! I am busy trying to get solid with my NBP brothers, counselor.

 

[Rogah]

It's very possible. Especially if one of the cuts happened right away.

Look. I don't know if you are insinuating the photo was a fake or if the police put the fake blood on his head or what you are trying to say. Maybe if you articulated what your hypothesis was on this rather than saying "It looks odd" then maybe we can figure out what you mean.

Do you think it's a fake photo or what?

These junior Columbo's crack me up, acting like they're some sort of experts in human forensics. By all accounts, there is nothing unusual or odd about the blood flow patterns from Zimmerman's wounds. A couple weeks ago ABC released footage of Zimmerman in the police station and people were up in arms that he didn't look like he had been injured. Now we see the actual blood, but that's not good enough.

I just do not, for the life of me, understand why so many people want so desperately for Zimmerman to be guilty. They actually get angry and live in denial when some potentially exculpatory evidence surfaces.

Don't get me wrong. If he's guilty, then I want him to be found guilty. But I am not sitting here hoping for him to be guilty.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Quiet! I am busy trying to get solid with my NBP brothers, counselor.

You'd fit right in with your "hang 'em without any evidence" meme. You are just as credible as they are.

 

[Rogah]

Like I'm supposed to just believe that. Provide your proof, sorry your word just doesn't cut it for me.

My friend, you have the burden of proof on the wrong party. You are literally proceeding with the assumption that Zimmerman is guilty and demanding others prove he is innocent. That theory of criminal justice is quite popular in places like North Korea, but not here in these United States.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

These junior Columbo's crack me up. There is nothing unusual or odd about the blood flow patterns from Zimmerman's wounds. A couple weeks ago ABC released footage of Zimmerman in the police station and people were up in arms that he didn't look like he had been injured. Now we see the actual blood, but that's not good enough.

I just do not, for the life of me, understand why so many people want so desperately for Zimmerman to be guilty. They actually get angry and live in denial when some potentially exculpatory evidence surfaces.

Don't get me wrong. If he's guilty, then I want him to be found guilty. But I am not sitting here hoping for him to be guilty.

I know. It's hard to believe but there are people that enjoy being this way. Now I'm not calling anyone on here stupid, just that they are unlucky in thinking.