Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[Tony33]

What about the pattern, what would you expect to see?

Flowing in the same direction.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

BNA? Makes no sense but whatever...

And I call the ones who wanted him arrested with no evidence and people who think this should be wrapped up in the amount of time they show a crime drama idiots. If you were capable of reading and comprehending posts you might understand that.

CowboyMcCoy, the one you've been insulting most this thread.

And its little surprise that trick wanted to close this. stay classy san diego and like i said counselor, your pretty transparent as to where you stand or more specifically with whom.

 

[JBond]

Flowing in the same direction.

Why? That does not make sense unless he walks around with his head at a weird angle.

 

[Ranched]

The blood being dry wasn't really the point. It was the pattern of the blood flow.

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Tony33

If you saw the picture of his "wounds", the blood flow stains seem odd. On the left side of his head the blood flow was going to the left. On the right side it was going down and to the right. The blood looked clearly dry. Odd

 

[Ranched]

Supposedly they cleaned him up on the scene.

It's pretty clear it wasn't gushing all over. It barely made it to his neck on the right side.

Looks like there's a small hole in his scalp. Wonder if a small pebble or something else was underneath where his head hit.

It's weird. Was that blood on his head in that video when he's arriving at the police station getting out of the car, or what it a shadow?!

 

[Tony33]

Why? That does not make sense unless he walks around with his head at a weird angle.

It makes perfect sense. If you have a cut you are likely going to hold your head in on direction to the right, the left or keep it straight. The blood would all be going in the same direction. In the picture the are going in almost opposite directions. The blood being dry makes it look even more odd because the dried in the going in opposite directions. The only way it could happen is if on cut happened earlier dried and the next cut happened and dried. Which would mean one or both couldn't have happened during the fight.

Just seems odd.

 

[iceberg]

It makes perfect sense. If you have a cut you are likely going to hold your head in on direction to the right, the left or keep it straight. The blood would all be going in the same direction. In the picture the are going in almost opposite directions. The blood being dry makes it look even more odd because the dried in the going in opposite directions. The only way it could happen is if on cut happened earlier dried and the next cut happened and dried. Which would mean one or both couldn't have happened during the fight.

Just seems odd.

only if you need it to. then you'll see whatever you want to back up your views.

even things like this.

 

[justbob]

It makes perfect sense. If you have a cut you are likely going to hold your head in on direction to the right, the left or keep it straight. The blood would all be going in the same direction. In the picture the are going in almost opposite directions. The blood being dry makes it look even more odd because the dried in the going in opposite directions. The only way it could happen is if on cut happened earlier dried and the next cut happened and dried. Which would mean one or both couldn't have happened during the fight.

Just seems odd.

You have more then one wound and more then one blood stain patter. Blood (like any liquid will take the path of least resistance and follow the laws of gravity. Thus you have some flow patterns going down the back of the head. Change of direction is caused by the angle of the head being changed and the curve of the skull. Surface tension also comes into play...Once again it looks normal for a head wound knowing that the head will not always be in the same position when the wound is bleeding ,unless that is the victim is dead and not being moved by anyone... Because of the molecular attraction that blood has for like molecules of blood the path may not be as exact as a lay person or someone who watches Dexter would think. The void on the top half of the head can be blood that is washed out by the flash ..My guess is with a clear line of demarcation he was wearing a cap
Once again totally normal blood distribution. Since blood stain analysis is based on the size ,shape, location and distribution of the bloodstain evidence. This is normal

And you can not assume what position someone would hold their head

 

[Cajuncowboy]

CowboyMcCoy, the one you've been insulting most this thread.

And its little surprise that trick wanted to close this. stay classy san diego and like i said counselor, your pretty transparent as to where you stand or more specifically with whom.

LOL!!!! CowboyMCoy is one of my best friends on here. You don't know what you are talking about. Why don't you ask him. I didn't insult anyone. Maybe their assumptions which are ludicrous in light of reality but them personally. And again, I don't care if he is guilty or not. I just want ALL SIDES OF THE MATTER CONVEYED.

Something it seems you do not.Talk about transparency. What a joke.

Oh, and go shave your Lumpkins!

 

[Hoofbite]

Flowing in the same direction.

His head is round. Well, not a perfect sphere but in general it's round.

Why would anyone expect it to flow in the same direction?

Turn a cereal bowl upside down and slowly pour water on it.......I can guarantee it won't all run off to one side.

Not to mention he was probably walking around, moving his head around and whatever else.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

It makes perfect sense. If you have a cut you are likely going to hold your head in on direction to the right, the left or keep it straight. The blood would all be going in the same direction. In the picture the are going in almost opposite directions. The blood being dry makes it look even more odd because the dried in the going in opposite directions. The only way it could happen is if on cut happened earlier dried and the next cut happened and dried. Which would mean one or both couldn't have happened during the fight.

Just seems odd.

The blood is very consistent with drying while the person is looking downward.

I know it's hard to believe when you want to see something else but anyone with any experience dealing with wounds will tell you that it's perfectly normal, even expected, given that the head is not flat.

 

[Tony33]

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Tony33

If you saw the picture of his "wounds", the blood flow stains seem odd. On the left side of his head the blood flow was going to the left. On the right side it was going down and to the right. The blood looked clearly dry. Odd

That was a statement made at the end, the blood flow stains was clearly the main point. If you couldn't derive that from what was posted maybe you should step away from the discussion.

I also didn't want someone claiming he was still bleeding.

 

[Tony33]

You have more then one wound and more then one blood stain patter. Blood (like any liquid will take the path of least resistance and follow the laws of gravity. Thus you have some flow patterns going down the back of the head. Change of direction is caused by the angle of the head being changed and the curve of the skull. Surface tension also comes into play...Once again it looks normal for a head wound knowing that the head will not always be in the same position when the wound is bleeding ,unless that is the victim is dead and not being moved by anyone... Because of the molecular attraction that blood has for like molecules of blood the path may not be as exact as a lay person or someone who watches Dexter would think. The void on the top half of the head can be blood that is washed out by the flash ..My guess is with a clear line of demarcation he was wearing a cap
Once again totally normal blood distribution. Since blood stain analysis is based on the size ,shape, location and distribution of the bloodstain evidence. This is normal

And you can not assume what position someone would hold their head

They are both on the back of his head, but dried flowing in opposite directions. Dried in opposite directions on a person's head which is on top of the body, perpendicular to the floor. How does the blood flow in opposite directions? The wound on the left side of his head had the blood flowing towards his ear. The one on the right down (as you'd expect) but also to the right. It is odd.

 

[TheCount]

Man, we got some straight up detectives in here. I would make a Dexter joke if this weren't such a serious issue.

 

[Tony33]

only if you need it to. then you'll see whatever you want to back up your views.

even things like this.

like all the people in here defending a Man killing an unarmed boy. Got you, only difference I made a valid observation that may not back up the story of this threads apparent "victim" (the person who actually killed someone).

 

[Tony33]

The blood is very consistent with drying while the person is looking downward.

I know it's hard to believe when you want to see something else but anyone with any experience dealing with wounds will tell you that it's perfectly normal, even expected, given that the head is not flat.

I could actually almost buy what you said in the initial sentence. Although that meant he would have had to be looking down for sometime in order for it to flow then dry like that. Actually hadn't thought of that it was a good point.

You started out ok, but then you muddied it up, really the only way it could happen is what you said initially. The shape of his head wouldn't cause the blood to defy gravity.

 

[Tony33]

His head is round. Well, not a perfect sphere but in general it's round.

Why would anyone expect it to flow in the same direction?

Turn a cereal bowl upside down and slowly pour water on it.......I can guarantee it won't all run off to one side.

Not to mention he was probably walking around, moving his head around and whatever else.

I would expect it not to defy gravity. If you poured water on a bowl, it would flow down. The wound on the left specifically doesn't really do that. Your scenarios wouldn't have his blood flowing towards his left ear.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

like all the people in here defending a Man killing an unarmed boy. Got you, only difference I made a valid observation that may not back up the story of this threads apparent "victim" (the person who actually killed someone).

Point to someone defending Zimmerman. Point to a post that indicates that? And I like how you say man vs boy. Obviously you didn't read about this "boy's" character and what he was in trouble for, including attacking a bus driver. But okay. We got your agenda.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

What if he has more than one cut? Suppose he got one cut and the position his head was in it ran one way then later he got another cut and his head was repositioned? That would at least explain away your concerns. Or would it?

 

[Tony33]

What if he has more than one cut? Suppose he got one cut and the position his head was in it ran one way then later he got another cut and his head was repositioned? That would at least explain away your concerns. Or would it?

No because that wouldn't fit into the timeframe of the fight.