Some Of You Will Disagree...

[Bach]

They are the same in the fact they will struggle. I don't care who they are or where they are drafted. Larry Allen got owned by Reggie White as a rookie. We have had a lot of luck drafting OL right? Your scenario brings too much uncertainty to the table, Are you willing to risk the season much like this year on a what if rookie?

We need to get our OL guys in FA PERIOD.

So basically you're going to place your entire emphasis on who we pick solely on what you think they can do in year 1.

I'd love to draft guys who were pro bowlers their rookie year, but it doesn't usually work that way. I have no problem with signing an OL or two in FA. But I also don't have a problem if we took an OL and QB in round 1 if they were the BPA - even if it meant we might not get maximum contribution out of them for a year.
Sometimes you have to look at the big picture.

 

[Bach]

disagree. offense heavy. wr, qb, ol. we need impact players at skill position and tons of OL help. other than the unmentionable there's hardly any impact free agent players.

I can see us looking at OT or WR early. I'd love to get a good young quality QB, but I don't see BP and JJ using a high pick on one - because there isn't immediate contribution .

Of course the whole draft is predicated on what we do in FA. Once we see which hole we fill there, we will have a lot better idea which areas we target in the draft.

Immediate needs, whether FA or the draft: OL, WR, QB, FS, LB, PK.

 

[Hostile]

We of like mind.

Time to get some young guys high in the draft....this script was written a long time ago.

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

I am going to take a page from you and say "some of you will not agree" but I really think the defense is finished, besides doing something about the DC.

I am all for a strong defense but you know what they say, the best defense sometimes involves having an extremely effective offense.

Do you not think we can benefit from a highly regarded 1st round OT?

It is painfully obvious that Tackle is holding us hostage...and I cant think of any other position that you can say that about, besides kicker.

I want to see a balanced team. I want a young guy at receiver that can help Glenn out with regards to being the deep threat.

Hos, arent you ready to draft a 1st round offensive weapon....because as one poster stated...we have opted out of doing that since 1991, I beleive.

That is why I have been saying the script has been written.

Time to put fear into the Gregg Williams and Mr. Jim Johnson and actually make em think twice about blitzing us.

I would love to show off a brand spanking new 1st Round Offensive Tackle to the NFC Beast....

 

[silver]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

All we need is a true FS. We're this

close on defense.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

Youth on O....one could make an argument that We have Two Tackles, One Center, One guard, Two RBs, One FB, One TE and One WR (in three wr sets) for a total of 9 players that are young on O.

However without injuries there would be 6.

Really the only old spots are our Two WRs, One QB and the G spots...the rest of the guys on O are young.

Problem is...young does not mean good enough...it may with some, does not mean so for others.

We all know how the offense goes if A: the Oline has problems or B: if Terry Glenn goes down. That should be though of in the offseason because this is the first time in MANY years Terry has went a whole season without an injury that made him miss a game.

 

[wileedog]

That would be a reach no matter who we take (if its in the first)

Ah, thanks. I don't watch a lot of college football and haven't really started looking at the draft yet.

If there are no bona fide WRs high up then disregard that comment. I certainly would rather take BPA then reach for a receiver.

 

[Hostile]

All we need is a true FS. We're this

close on defense.

I would agree if I assumed the following players were coming back.

1. Glover
2. Nguyen
3. Ellis
4. Singleton

If we were getting all 4 back, I'd agree. I'd say that scenario is a longshot at best.

On offense who are we losing from the current unit?

 

[wileedog]

All we need is a true FS. We're this

close on defense.

I still think we need 1 more impact LB. Can't run a 3-4 with just guys playing there.

Ware will be better next year, James is still improving, and I haven't given up at all on Burnett, but I'm not really sold that Shanle, Fujita or Fowler are more than just quality depth.

Glover is likely gone soon too, and probably Ellis. There's good talent behind them, but those are 2 very large pairs of shoes to fill.

Hos is right. A monster defense and a good running game can still take you a good long way in this league, and its what we have the opportunity to build tthe quickest.

 

[Hostile]

Youth on O....one could make an argument that We have Two Tackles, One Center, One guard, Two RBs, One FB, One TE and One WR (in three wr sets) for a total of 9 players that are young on O.

However without injuries there would be 6.

Really the only old spots are our Two WRs, One QB and the G spots...the rest of the guys on O are young.

Problem is...young does not mean good enough...it may with some, does not mean so for others.

We all know how the offense goes if A: the Oline has problems or B: if Terry Glenn goes down. That should be though of in the offseason because this is the first time in MANY years Terry has went a whole season without an injury that made him miss a game.

For youth on O I was talking about QB and WRs mostly.

 

[Bizwah]

I'm still high on Mathias Kiwanuka, DE form Boston College and would take him in a heartbeat if he fell. Bookend him with Canty and move Spears inside.

Wishful thinking I know.

I also like Haloti Ngata, NT from Oregon a lot. If he fell I think I'd start thinking trade up to get him.

Rod Wright & Orien Harris will interest me too.

Kiwi is a stud, but moving him to a DE in the 3-4?

If Ellis was too small at 6-6 270, then Kiwi will be at 6-8 260.

I'm curious to see if Kiwi is athletic enough to play OLB in the 3-4. With that wingspan.....Wow!

Ngata would solve our run-stopping woes for sure.

I think your original post was a good one, Hos. No reason at all for this team to focus on one area. We need help on defense just like we need help on offense.

There's no knowing what areas we'll need after FA. Assuming we go in with the status quo (I sincerely hope we don't) we need to take the BPA.

I think our worst needs are at OT, C, ILB, FS, DT, and OLB. I would love to have a WR, but there's none that I would take with a first round pick. Not only that, I doubt that a WR would see much playing time considering we have Key and Glenn.

 

[Hostile]

I am going to take a page from you and say "some of you will not agree" but I really think the defense is finished, besides doing something about the DC.

I am all for a strong defense but you know what they say, the best defense sometimes involves having an extremely effective offense.

Do you not think we can benefit from a highly regarded 1st round OT?

It is painfully obvious that Tackle is holding us hostage...and I cant think of any other position that you can say that about, besides kicker.

I want to see a balanced team. I want a young guy at receiver that can help Glenn out with regards to being the deep threat.

Hos, arent you ready to draft a 1st round offensive weapon....because as one poster stated...we have opted out of doing that since 1991, I beleive.

That is why I have been saying the script has been written.

Time to put fear into the Gregg Williams and Mr. Jim Johnson and actually make em think twice about blitzing us.

I would love to show off a brand spanking new 1st Round Offensive Tackle to the NFC Beast....

Make no mistake about it, I want an overpowering OL. I just happen to think we're closer to a dominating defense than a dominating offense by a wide gap. So finish off the dominating Defense while we can.

If we were turning it over to Henson or Romo or drafting a QB I'd agree with you. We're not. Bledsoe appears to be entrenched for at least next year. I like him but he'll never be the QB of a dominating offense.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Make no mistake about it, I want an overpowering OL. I just happen to think we're closer to a dominating defense than a dominating offense by a wide gap. So finish off the dominating Defense while we can.

If we were turning it over to Henson or Romo or drafting a QB I'd agree with you. We're not. Bledsoe appears to be entrenched for at least next year. I like him but he'll never be the QB of a dominating offense.

What do you mean by the highlighted portion of your comment..just curious?

Not sure Hos. I dont know if you can justify not getting a Tackle in the 1st round, if indeed they are available and even our scouting department and Bill would admit they are worth taking (which I have no clue what they think).

I think it will be bummer to go heavily defense yet another year. You get a top notch lineman and the Cowboys are putting up some nice numbers on offense because you get flow back and worst case scenario you have to help your rookie first round tackle throughout most of the year, which I would doubt you would.

 

[chinch]

I would agree if I assumed the following players were coming back.

1. Glover
2. Nguyen
3. Ellis
4. Singleton

If we were getting all 4 back, I'd agree. I'd say that scenario is a longshot at best.

On offense who are we losing from the current unit?

Yup, unless someone on O really, really falls down to us and is a "cant-miss" type person I would be shocked if we don't draft defense first and foremost.

 

[Hostile]

What do you mean by the highlighted portion of your comment..just curious?

Not sure Hos. I dont know if you can justify not getting a Tackle in the 1st round, if indeed they are available and even our scouting department and Bill would admit they are worth taking (which I have no clue what they think).

I think it will be bummer to go heavily defense yet another year. You get a top notch lineman and the Cowboys are putting up some nice numbers on offense because you get flow back and worst case scenario you have to help your rookie first round tackle throughout most of the year, which I would doubt you would.

If we get young WRs it will take him a while to develop anywhere enar the rapport with them that he already has with Glenn and Key.

Therefore I don't see WR as a huge glaring need. RB isn't a need. If we're sticking with Bledsoe or counting on one of our backups QB isn't. TE isn't.

That leaves O-Line. Fixing the O-line alone isn't likely to add 14 more points of offense to this team, which is what I think we need to reach elite offensive status.

If Bledsoe were 27 I'd feel differently. At 34 or 35 he's on the downhill slide not the uphill climb to his peak. Dominating offenses don't start with a QB at that point of his career.

We can still have an adequate offense and win. A dominating Defense just makes it that much easier to do it. IMO.

 

[silver]

Yup, unless someone on O really, really falls down to us and is a "cant-miss" type person I would be shocked if we don't draft defense first and foremost.

i agree since best available player has always been the best approach. but if a stud offensive lineman is there to trade up for, we have the ammo to go get him. yes we could use another LB here and another D-linemen there. However our starters are good and only depht is needed as opposed to the offensive side where is clear we have major weaknesses at OT and WR.

 

[Hostile]

Kiwi is a stud, but moving him to a DE in the 3-4?

If Ellis was too small at 6-6 270, then Kiwi will be at 6-8 260.

I'm curious to see if Kiwi is athletic enough to play OLB in the 3-4. With that wingspan.....Wow!

Ngata would solve our run-stopping woes for sure.

I think your original post was a good one, Hos. No reason at all for this team to focus on one area. We need help on defense just like we need help on offense.

There's no knowing what areas we'll need after FA. Assuming we go in with the status quo (I sincerely hope we don't) we need to take the BPA.

I think our worst needs are at OT, C, ILB, FS, DT, and OLB. I would love to have a WR, but there's none that I would take with a first round pick. Not only that, I doubt that a WR would see much playing time considering we have Key and Glenn.

My book has Kiwi at 275. Plus I think he can get bigger with weight training.

Ngata is a better selection. less work to do to get there and Spears is fine as a DE.

I just like everything about Kiwi.

Ahmad Brooks, coached by Al Groh in a 3-4 is my bet for a Draft focus.

Kills my Laron Landry hopes, but...

 

[Hostile]

i agree since best available player has always been the best approach. but if a stud offensive lineman is there to trade up for, we have the ammo to go get him. yes we could use another LB here and another D-linemen there. However our starters are good and only depht is needed as opposed to the offensive side where is clear we have major weaknesses at OT and WR.

Getting Flo back immediately helps the OL.

I don't see us as hurting at WR right now. Of course I think Crayton has all the makings. Age at WR concerns me a bit. I'll admit that. There are FAs who could be brought in and contribute right away. No, I don't mean TO.

To get to the next level we either need an elite D or an elite O. I think we're closer at D so do what we need to and get there.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't disagree. I think this team desperately needs another pass rushing LB to bookend with Ware. The pass rush has been atrocious the 2nd half of the season. For all the attention paid on Ware's struggles, Greg Ellis has 1 sack in his last 5 games. Dallas has the worst duo of pass coverage safeties in the league. Evidenced by the fact that they let 4.8 40 yard dash Ricky Proehl get behind the defense twice for big plays.

I think veteran OL will be added in FA. Probably Jason Fabini and Kevin Mawae.

 

[Jimz31]

I agree about drafting more D than O at this point.....however, if there is somebody at the QB position that we would really like, you gotta do what you gotta do to get him. Our future QB is still NOT on the roster at this point, IMO. The QB is probably THE most important position and will HAVE TO BE addressed at some point VERY soon. How many years DB has left....who knows.

I would rather have the o-line get fixed through FA.