Some Of You Will Disagree...

[Hostile]

Drafting to fill needs gave us the three gloves.

Sorry, not sure what you mean.

 

[ravidubey]

I totally agree with you. The positions we need on O we don't have the luxary of developing them. Next year we need guys to step in and go.

RT, C for sure

Defense we have more of a luxary in developing those guys.

Heavy dose of LBer for me and a FS

Don't forget fullback. Lorenzo Neal has been a beast the last couple of years, it sure would be nice to have a punisher who's willing to block like that.

 

[Hostile]

Nice post! Alot of times an effective offense is the best defense by keeping it off the field. The defense then rest more and hense becomes more effective in the game.

Let me just ask this about our defense.

Do we generate enough pressure, sacks, and takeaways to think it is solved?

Not for my money. Especially if we lose Glover, Nguyen, Singleton, and possibly Ellis.

In fact we'd go backwards.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sorry, not sure what you mean.

Well I updated my original post some.

I just hate the idea of drafting only for needs...it got us three questionable DBs one year (dubbed the three gloves by many at the time).

It got us QC and Tony Dixon instead of other players.

Needs are a strong consideration in drafting, however BPA needs to be weighed into the equation.

Therefore I made the comment of what happens sometimes when we draft for need aka the three gloves debacle.

Ok...I probably just confused you more, I am really in a rambling mood today.

(picture joe dirt walking down the train tracks with Bob Seager's rambling man playing in the background :laugh1: )

 

[Fletch]

I like your plan of building an elite defense through the draft. But the Cowboys, IMHO, cannot afford to keep pushing the needs of the O-line further and further down the road.

We need young and talented players on the O-line in place for Drew Bledsoe, and in place for when we finally decide to go with one of our younger QB's.

 

[chinch]

Let me just ask this about our defense.

Do we generate enough pressure, sacks, and takeaways to think it is solved?

Not for my money. Especially if we lose Glover, Nguyen, Singleton, and possibly Ellis.

In fact we'd go backwards.

These three cost us A whopping 4 sacks & 1 FF
La'Roi Glover - 3.0 sacks / 1 Forced Fumble
Dat Nguyen - 1.0 / 0 FF
Al Singleton - 0.0 / 0FF

Now, Ellis has 8 sacks & 2FFs but has done nothing the 2nd half of the year.

 

[Hostile]

These three cost us A whopping 4 sacks & 1 FF
La'Roi Glover - 3.0 sacks / 1 Forced Fumble
Dat Nguyen - 1.0 / 0 FF
Al Singleton - 0.0 / 0FF

Now, Ellis has 8 sacks & 2FFs but has done nothing the 2nd half of the year.

Ellis always finishes slow so as not to hit double digits in sacks.

On Dat and Al I think injuires need to factor into their stat equations. Subtract their tackles and INTS as well. How many QB pressures from Ellis and Glover? What about fumbles caused or recovered.

You left out a lot.

 

[Hostile]

Well I updated my original post some.

I just hate the idea of drafting only for needs...it got us three questionable DBs one year (dubbed the three gloves by many at the time).

It got us QC and Tony Dixon instead of other players.

Needs are a strong consideration in drafting, however BPA needs to be weighed into the equation.

Therefore I made the comment of what happens sometimes when we draft for need aka the three gloves debacle.

Ok...I probably just confused you more, I am really in a rambling mood today.

(picture joe dirt walking down the train tracks with Bob Seager's rambling man playing in the background :laugh1: )

I'm not suggesting reaching for players. If you look at my original post I said this Draft was LB heavy and to take an offensive player if an unbelievable talent is there.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Commanders much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

 

[wileedog]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Commanders much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

I want no part of a guy who is already wondering aloud if he even wants to play football anymore and is coming off a major knee surgery.

There's a reason Washington stopped putting him in games and their defense hardly missed a beat.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm not suggesting reaching for players. If you look at my original post I said this Draft was LB heavy and to take an offensive player if an unbelievable talent is there.

I think the draft is also heavy (in the top of the 1st) for OTs...I just wish one would fall to us.

If the draft is heavy with LBs and not just at the top...maybe we get one in the second. Maybe we trade down a few spots for some extra picks and get one.

Actually I think it is probably easier to find a FA LB that would be suitable unless you get lucky and find a LB in the draft that is already familiar with the 3-4.

Seems to be harder to get a decent OT in FA now days because teams keep most of them or other teams outbid for them.

I don't mind going Defense in the draft...and hope that I am not coming across that way.
In todays NFL it seems teams are usually really good on one side of the ball and have questions on the other...as I have said it is rare for teams to be excellent on both sides of the ball since the cap took over.

But still we need to shore up this O-Line...whether we stick with Bledsoe or eventually try to get a young guy in (whether that guy is on our team now or not).

If Riveras back is bad, he may never fully recover from it.
Larry is not getting any younger.
Flo should be back.
Rob should get better, but what if he will just be a good backup in this league.

Well...it really is way to early on this stuff anyways and as I said...I am just rambling.

 

[Fletch]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Commanders much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

You know Crazy, I have thought about Lavar in a Cowboy's uniform next season. The guy does have talent and is somewhat of a freak of nature from sideline to sideline.

Not too mention it would just completely piss off Foreskin nation to see Lavar making plays here in Dallas.

I wouldn't mind taking a good look at him, keeping in my mind that has been injury prone the last couple of seasons.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I want no part of a guy who is already wondering aloud if he even wants to play football anymore and is coming off a major knee surgery.

There's a reason Washington stopped putting him in games and their defense hardly missed a beat.

Yes, I considered the knee but it usually is year two when these players start playing like normal......I believe it is all talk about the retirement thing.....Arrington is too young and talented to give it up and not to mention his ego!

 

[Hostile]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Commanders much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

I would rather pass as well.

There is no denying the man has talent.

But if he can not follow basic instructions from his coach in a 4-3...what makes anyone think he would so in a system that uses the 3-4 and 4-3.

 

[silver]

this is like the tastes great - less filling debate. if a stud ILB is there. someone who reminds people of Ray Lewis I'm all for it. but if a Jordan Gross is there how can you say no.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

Hos, I forgot he was represented by the Postons.........I am sorry to have brought it up now.......I am just looking for talent at a value price!

 

[Chuck 54]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

I'd like to see an offensive lineman & a WR on day 1.
I'd also like to see a LB and FS on day 1.

However, that requires 4 day 1 picks....how likely is that? As long as those are the 4 positions where we place our priority, I don't care who comes via FA and who comes via the draft, though I'd feel better getting a WR through the draft than FA, cheaper too. The type of ILB's needed for our defense don't have to be taken really high in the draft...I feel the same about a FS who can cover...these guys need to be solid, not necessarily super stars.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, I forgot he was represented by the Postons.........I am sorry to have brought it up now.......I am just looking for talent at a value price!

Not a damn thing wrong with that thinking IMO.

 

[Hostile]

this is like the tastes great - less filling debate. if a stud ILB is there. someone who reminds people of Ray Lewis I'm all for it. but if a Jordan Gross is there how can you say no.

I hope and pray we have this dilemma to worry about. I said it is a LB deep draft. I think I'd roll the dice a stud LB will drop. Still leaves a gap at FS if we grab LB in the 2nd.

I think the return of Flo and another year together makes our OL better than some think. That includes Rivera who disappointed me greatly.

Someone said don't take OG in round 1, but if that OG is Max Jean-Gilles I think I'd love it.