Some perspective (coach)

[windward]

Figured Bach did not have an answer for me.

 

[Doomsday101]

So in 2003 we won 10 games with low expectatiions.

The 2007 team won 13 games with higher expectations.

Are you going to argue that the 2003 Cowboys accomplished more than the 2007 version?

Both were big accomplishment. 2007 with a new staff coming in the expectations were not extreamly high in 2008 they clearly were after coming off the 13-3 but in 2007 many had us 9-7 to 8-8

 

[Cover 2]

Wow. We have such great and smart fans. There knowledge goes far and beyond in the game of football.

You are all football experts.

So you actually think Wade is a good coach?

 

[peplaw06]

New thread:

Build me the perfect head coach.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

The Dallas Cowboys just needed OT to beat one of the bottom three teams in the league after they had 139 penalties and had to have their third WR come up with a 250 yard receiving performance in order to win.

The defense which is run by Wade Phillips once again folded in the last two minutes to allow one of the worst offenses in the NFL who was missing their two starting OT's to drive down the field and score the game tying TD on a 4th down play.

And you have the balls to come up with a thread trying to tell the fans that we should be happy Wade is the head coach here because we could have someone worse?

 

[windward]

Both were big accomplishment. 2007 with a new staff coming in the expectations were not extreamly high in 2008 they clearly were after coming off the 13-3 but in 2007 many had us 9-7 to 8-8

I agree. Both were fun years for Cowboys fans.

But did the 2003 team accomplish more, less or the same than the 2007 version?

 

[windward]

New thread:

Build me the perfect head coach.

We have the technology....

 

[DFWJC]

The 49ers have Patrick Willis and a bunch of scrubs, what's your point again???

good one...but not really accurate. That lineup is not all that bad.

 

[DFWJC]

A team with immense talent wins despite of their coach.....see Barry Switzer.

Apparently, our talent is not as immsense as people want to think it is.[/quote]

I've been saying that for awhile now. We have good...maybe very good talent. Certainly not great. That is one reason why the disconnect is so large at times.

That 2007 team sent so many undeserving pro-bowlers (due to a 13-3 record that the coach obviously had nothing to do with) that now some think this team is almost as talented as those dominant SB sqauds. It's a sad joke.

 

[Dodger12]

It amazes me that people here just continue to underestimate the value of a good HC. I'll bet you most anti-Wade fans don't dislike the man as a HC because he's not full of fire and brimstone on the sideline.

People (or at least myself) dislike Wade because he's lost control over everything except for the defense. Wade's weakness as a HC has led to a Wade vs Garrett mentality in the fan base base and I'll bet it's crept into the team. Wade is viewed by many as being on par with Garrett which is absolutely unacceptable come game day when you need that one voice to lead the team and make the calls that dictate the flow of the game on both offense and defense. Wade's weakness as a HC has led to sub-par and uninspired play on the field. When your kick returner refuses to take on a kicker one on one and run out of bounds, that's a reflection of the HC and his soft, excuse making persona that permiates this team. That carries over when that same returner calls for a fair catch with no one within 15 yards of him, in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. Now we've got the players taking matters into their own hands because Wade has refused or is ill equipped to do so. Absolutely stupid, soft, uninspiring and maddening.

The reality is that some players need to be led; they need to be challenged and motivated, even in the days of million dollar contracts. Good coaches know how to identify those players and push the right buttons to get the most out of them. We've spent all off season talking about leadership and making this a "Romo friendly" team, whatever the hell that means. Countless threads have been started about Romo's leadership ability (or lack thereof) and he's critiqued on his every comment and body language during the games. Yet we excuse the coach and don't expect him to show that same type of persona because, again, many fans and the team's owner have diminished a HC's value and his importance to the long term success of a franchise. I find that contradictory and short sighted.

 

[Bach]

41 Minutes Ago


So in 2003 we won 10 games with low expectatiions.

The 2007 team won 13 games with higher expectations.

Are you going to argue that the 2003 Cowboys accomplished more than the 2007 version?

23 minutes ago

Figured Bach did not have an answer for me.

:laugh2:

So you post something, then come back less than 20 minutes later and act like I didn't have an answer because I somehow wasn't on here 24/7 perusing the board?


As to your question, I do think it was a much bigger step going from 5-11, 5-11, 5-11 to 10-6 in 2003 than it was for the '07 Cowboys to go 13-3 after having been in the playoffs the year before.

I think you might recall that '07 was also the first full season Romo started. The league hadn't figured him out by then.

Of course looking at that '07 season, we got off to a 12-1 start, then ended 13-3 and one and done in the playoffs. Last year, dropped back to 9-7 and now 3-2 so far this season. That's only 13-12 since that 12-1 start. Once Wade's softness starting taking it's toll on the team and the league started figuring Romo out we haven't seen anything but about .500 the last year and a half.

 

[Bach]

Hey Windward, how do you account for the 13-12 record the last 15 games?

 

[Bach]

Figured Windward did not have an answer for me.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. Both were fun years for Cowboys fans.

But did the 2003 team accomplish more, less or the same than the 2007 version?

2007 still had major question marks on that talent. Yes many ended up making the pro bowl but heading into the 2007 the expectation were not extreamly high. We came off a 9-7 season choked in the playoffs and many felt Dallas was an 8-8 team winning 13 a club record was big. I also agree the 2003 team was a big accomplishment in it's own right.

 

[Direwolf63]

It amazes me that people here just continue to underestimate the value of a good HC. I'll bet you most anti-Wade fans don't dislike the man as a HC because he's not full of fire and brimstone on the sideline.

People (or at least myself) dislike Wade because he's lost control over everything except for the defense. Wade's weakness as a HC has led to a Wade vs Garrett mentality in the fan base base and I'll bet it's crept into the team. Wade is viewed by many as being on par with Garrett which is absolutely unacceptable come game day when you need that one voice to lead the team and make the calls that dictate the flow of the game on both offense and defense. Wade's weakness as a HC has led to sub-par and uninspired play on the field. When your kick returner refuses to take on a kicker one on one and run out of bounds, that's a reflection of the HC and his soft, excuse making persona that permiates this team. That carries over when that same returner calls for a fair catch with no one within 15 yards of him, in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. Now we've got the players taking matters into their own hands because Wade has refused or is ill equipped to do so. Absolutely stupid, soft, uninspiring and maddening.

The reality is that some players need to be led; they need to be challenged and motivated, even in the days of million dollar contracts. Good coaches know how to identify those players and push the right buttons to get the most out of them. We've spent all off season talking about leadership and making this a "Romo friendly" team, whatever the hell that means. Countless threads have been started about Romo's leadership ability (or lack thereof) and he's critiqued on his every comment and body language during the games. Yet we excuse the coach and don't expect him to show that same type of persona because, again, many fans and the team's owner have diminished a HC's value and his importance to the long term success of a franchise. I find that contradictory and short sighted.

Very good post.

Well said.

 

[windward]

:laugh2:

So you post something, then come back less than 20 minutes later and act like I didn't have an answer because I somehow wasn't on here 24/7 perusing the board?


As to your question, I do think it was a much bigger step going from 5-11, 5-11, 5-11 to 10-6 in 2003 than it was for the '07 Cowboys to go 13-3 after having been in the playoffs the year before.

I think you might recall that '07 was also the first full season Romo started. The league hadn't figured him out by then.

Of course looking at that '07 season, we got off to a 12-1 start, then ended 13-3 and one and done in the playoffs. Last year, dropped back to 9-7 and now 3-2 so far this season. That's only 13-12 since that 12-1 start. Once Wade's softness starting taking it's toll on the team and the league started figuring Romo out we haven't seen anything but about .500 the last year and a half.

I guess if you think 10-6 #6 seed and one and done is a bigger accomplishment than 13-3 division champs and best record in the NFC while one and done. Then I suppose that's your opinion.

I personally think it all amounted to the same.

 

[Dodger12]

2007 still had major question marks on that talent. Yes many ended up making the pro bowl but heading into the 2007 the expectation were not extreamly high. We came off a 9-7 season choked in the playoffs and many felt Dallas was an 8-8 team winning 13 a club record was big. I also agree the 2003 team was a big accomplishment in it's own right.

Dooms, with all due respect that's a bunch of bull. We came off a pretty decent draft where we had two first round picks and filled some holes. We also signed Davis and Hamlin to solidify our O-Line and defensive backfield, respectively. Romo, after a Pro-Bowl year, was going to be the undisputed starter and franchise QB. The Eagles were in disaray, with McNabb going 5 and 5 before before Garcia took over, gave them a spark and led them to the playoffs. People were calling for McNabb's head and his days in Philly were numbered. The Giants were ready to run Eli out of town after an 8 and 8 season. Please, the only team with the needle point up was the Cowboys.

There were a heck of a lot more people calling us NFC and SB favorites, as well as one of the top ranked teams than those who claimed 8 and 8. The only question was whether or not Romo could come back from the playoff gaffe and put that behind him.

 

[windward]

Hey Windward, how do you account for the 13-12 record the last 15 games?

I think it's somewhat amazing we went 13-12 in 15 games. Defying the laws of mathematics and what not.

But our 13-12 record since that 12-1 start is not really essential since this my stance is no longer Pro-Wade. Based on where I think we're headed there's a strong chance he'll not be the coach come January 1st.

My only point was the Niners, during this season, have accomplished just as much as we have.

That is 3 victories

 

[windward]

Figured Windward did not have an answer for me.

Ok, I might have deserved that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, with all due respect that's a bunch of bull. We came off a pretty decent draft where we had two first round picks and filled some holes. We also signed Davis and Hamlin to solidify our O-Line and defensive backfield, respectively. Romo, after a Pro-Bowl year, was going to be the undisputed starter and franchise QB. The Eagles were in disaray, with McNabb going 5 and 5 before before Garcia took over, gave them a spark and led them to the playoffs. People were calling for McNabb's head and his days in Philly were numbered. The Giants were ready to run Eli out of town after an 8 and 8 season. Please, the only team with the needle point up was the Cowboys.

There were a heck of a lot more people calling us NFC and SB favorites, as well as one of the top ranked teams than those who claimed 8 and 8. The only question was whether or not Romo could come back from the playoff gaffe and put that behind him.

Sorry in 2007 with Parcells leaving Dallas no were not rated that high entering the season. Heading into 2008 is when all the talk of SB started taking place and of course our players fell in love with the clippings.