Someone enlighten me to "the plan"?

[Diehardblues]

Not when you consider the real and final decision maker and how he operates.

To the players in the NFL, this is going to come off as a bush league move and not the way to treat a player. If Booger was looking to motivate Dez, he just found a way. I thought he would end up a Skin or Giant, if they traded Beckham, and he'll circle those two games but that can blowback, remember Owens first game against the Eagles? This looks like a revenge move for how Dez made Booger blink on that last contract. Going to be very interesting to see where he lands and for how much. He might be mad enough to take a lesser guarantee to stay in the East. I'd be willing to bet it is a team we play this season.

My only concern is how this affects the draft and we needed D help badly with a DT and a couple of LB's. And Greg, the worst part is that moron might just go O with WR, TE and OL in the first 3 picks.

Dez just became a hot commodity.

And agree. It’s going to effect the draft. It’s going to be Offense front loaded. And the defense will cost us again. Same ole same ole..

 

[Diehardblues]

The best comment I’ve seen so far ..

“ Dak doesn’t need a reciever who can run a route 10 yards”. Lol

 

[lukin2006]

It all part of JG’s 20 year plan...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because players report to the offseason program on Monday next week

Great point. I had forgotten that.

 

[Stash]

I don't think in terms of fault and blame so the notion of excuse never really registers with my approach. I am not so self absorbed that I think that the club has to excuse itself for anything to me. As I have told you before, I think in terms of cause and effect not fault and excuse. While I certainly understand your viewpoint your insistence in shoehorning your approach onto me says you have no concept of where I come from.

And it's been discussed in this thread already how cutting Dez worsens their bargaining position. Then Dez went on vacation and Jerry wanted to deliver the news in person. I know you've read that yet you ignore it.

I've ignored it because the very idea that an NFL team would conduct business around people's vacations is preposterous.

That whole none so blind line comes from Daniel or Isaiah in the Bible haranguing nonbelievers. That you thought that mysticism was appropriate fits perfectly though.

I do. It did.

And I think this move was the right move because the production over 3 years did not match the salary. I do find it interesting how you can see aht with Crawford and call for his head repeatedly but cannot see it here. Blind indeed.

How many Pro Bowls has Crawford ever played in? How hard is it to replace Crawford? What round did Crawford's talents land him in the draft? Any more of your apples you want to compare to these oranges?

Talk about "blind". Again, my comment is accurate. None so blind.

OTOH, I thought the Scandrick move did not make sense and didn't like it. I have listed my criticism of the Joneses and Garrett as well. This narrative you are trying to shoehorn onto me --again-- about mindless fanboiism is false.

As is your attempt at mine.

 

[Stash]

Stephen is setting things up for an overhaul next year. At the end of 2018 beginning of 2019 they can make coaching and player changes with enough cap space to waste. This will get the hype train started so fans can buy back into the rebuild mode all over again. Out with the old in with the new money.

Can I get a guarantee on that "coaching" thing?

If so, sign me up!

 

[tm1119]

They arrive at a conclusion through discussion and eventual concession. That takes time and then Dez went on an Australian vacation and Jerry wanted to deliver the news face to face.

What difference does the timing of the cut make?

It's $4m in cap space and they were able to offer Watkins a 8 digit AAV contract anyway.

Youre being emotional again.

How is it only 4m in cap space? He represented a 16.5 mil cap hit and is owed 8.5M that will be dead cap $. That leaves $8M in cap space freed up. Am I missing something?

 

[Rockport]

No matter the decision we were going to get this. And by the same people.

 

[Stash]

I think they are more comfortable with Hurns/Thompson than Dez/Butler.

Look at the Patriots WRs. They place more emphasis on football-intelligence than pure athletic ability. I think that is true for some other teams also.

I have no faith that they can emulate anything the Patriots do.

Some of the all time greats used mastery of the game over pure athletic ability (Rice, Irvin, Fitzgerald).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any if them hid their talents for four plus years before showing up.

Obviously they were likely to draft a WR early with or without Dez staying.

Their main fail was not drafting a legit WR a year or two ago OR signing a better player than TWill last year.

How about not signing one when they could have a few weeks ago?

 

[Stash]

When the team fails to make the playoffs, let's see who the scapegoat will be then (April 13, 2018).

My biggest fear?

Jerry now has another excuse when Garrett fails for yet another season.

"Well we did have considerable turnover at the receiver position..."

 

[Corso]

Someone enlighten me to "the plan"?

Sure, on draft day get as much war room camera time as possible. Then get the factory cranking out as many jerseys as they can, while there is money to be made. Sell hope. Same plan as every year. Feed ego, feed wallet.

Oh goodie... I get to watch more Garrett/Charlotte flirting and Stevie's ugly perma-smile and fist pumps. Hopefully we'll be graced with a Marinelli fist pump too! Then I'll know the pick is primo.

 

[Jumbo075]

How is it only 4m in cap space? He represented a 16.5 mil cap hit and is owed 8.5M that will be dead cap $. That leaves $8M in cap space freed up. Am I missing something?

The Cowboys owe Bryant $0. He was scheduled to make a salary of $12.5M this year and next year. They Cowboys will not pay a single penny of that money.

The CAP charge of $8M is for the bonus money they already paid him in 2015. They don't have to pay him twice.

(For the life of me, I don't understand why it's so hard for fans and media to understand that DEAD CAP money is not owed to the players. The players don't get any more money unless they were cut with guaranteed salary still left unpaid. DEAD CAP money is for PAST money paid, not future money.)

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've ignored it because the very idea that an NFL team would conduct business around people's vacations is preposterous.

I do. It did.

How many Pro Bowls has Crawford ever played in? How hard is it to replace Crawford? What round did Crawford's talents land him in the draft? Any more of your apples you want to compare to these oranges?

Talk about "blind". Again, my comment is accurate. None so blind.

As is your attempt at mine.

How many pro bowls has Dez played in the past 3 years?

And it is not preposterous if your intent was to tell Dez you were firing him to his face. Your still ignoring the negotiating leverage.

And you are obviously very emotional about the team. Your level of anger is obvious. Thanks for admitting that your narrative is BS though.

 

[Corso]

The Cowboys owe Bryant $0. He was scheduled to make a salary of $12.5M this year and next year. They Cowboys will not pay a single penny of that money.

The CAP charge of $8M is for the bonus money they already paid him in 2015. They don't have to pay him twice.

(For the life of me, I don't understand why it's so hard for fans and media to understand that DEAD CAP money is not owed to the players. The players don't get any more money unless they were cut with guaranteed salary still left unpaid. DEAD CAP money is for PAST money paid, not future money.)

Your sig made me laugh out loud. Literally.

 

[Silver N Blue]

The only thing I'm curious about is had Hurns not become available would Dez' fate had still been sealed?

They wanted Watkins and struck out the writing was on the wall he was leaving.

 

[Stash]

How many pro bowls has Dez played in the past 3 years?[/ quote]

He's been there. And among the best in the league at his job. Crawford? Never. Try again with your excuses.

And it is not preposterous if your intent was to tell Dez you were firing him to his face. Your still ignoring the negotiating leverage.

And you're inventing both negotiations and leverage that never took place.

And you are obviously very emotional about the team. Your level of anger is obvious. Thanks for admitting that your narrative is BS though.

Keep trying.

Myself and everyone else can see the "BS" and the "emotion" behind it.

 

[tm1119]

The Cowboys owe Bryant $0. He was scheduled to make a salary of $12.5M this year and next year. They Cowboys will not pay a single penny of that money.

The CAP charge of $8M is for the bonus money they already paid him in 2015. They don't have to pay him twice.

(For the life of me, I don't understand why it's so hard for fans and media to understand that DEAD CAP money is not owed to the players. The players don't get any more money unless they were cut with guaranteed salary still left unpaid. DEAD CAP money is for PAST money paid, not future money.)

Ok whatever, it’s still more than 4mil in cap space. All I care about.

That $8M could potentially be 2 defensive starters

 

[xwalker]

I have no faith that they can emulate anything the Patriots do.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any if them hid their talents for four plus years before showing up.



How about not signing one when they could have a few weeks ago?

Nobody can truely emulate the Patriots. I'm referring to the general concept of mastery of the position vs athletic dominance as a trend.

Sign who?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

Paul Richardson is about the only one that would have made any sense and Little Danny would pay any amount to keep Jerry from out bidding him.

Jordy Nelson was released after they signs Hurns and the two together does not seem like a good pairing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

@stasheroo looks like you added bbcode.

Still insisting on the excuse narrative I see. And you call me blind. Anywho Dez hasn't been playing at a pro bowl level for 3 years and there is no reason to believe that he would suddenly mesh with Dak.

They negotiated with Hurns, Thompson, and Watkins that we know of. The leverage of an agent knowing the team is desperate for WR in the wake of cutting Dez Bryant should be self evident. There is your blindness at work again.

Are you denying that you are emotional about the Cowboys? You keep trying to talk around it while never addressing it head on. I also recall you calling me Spock when recommending dispassionate review.

 

[Stash]

Nobody can truely emulate the Patriots. I'm referring to the general concept of mastery of the position vs athletic dominance as a trend.

Sign who?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

Paul Richardson is about the only one that would have made any sense and Little Danny would pay any amount to keep Jerry from out bidding him.

Jordy Nelson was released after they signs Hurns and the two together does not seem like a good pairing.

I think you need to recheck the Nelson - Hurns timeline. Nelson signed with Oakland on Mar 15th Hurns on Mar 23rd.