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They had no choice in releasing Ware. They could not afford him. The so-called changes this offseason came not out of choice , but out of the need to stay below the salary cap. Fans are giving them credit for good decisions, but in reality, the salary cap made the decisions for the team.

I disagree. They could've kept Ware on by restructuring him. They chose to release him rather than continue to hinder the future cap.

It would be foolish of me to say that the circumstances didn't heavily play a role in the decision, but we could have made the same move everyone expected Jerry and Co. to make.

But from what I heard, we were only willing to keep him on for around a 7 million capt hit. His current cap hit, by a contending team is around 10 million.
 

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I didn't see Jerry on the field.

Well considering Kitna essentially went 0-3 before Wade got canned, ending in an absolute trouncing in GB, I'd say it was more Jerry than Kitna.

But realistically, the biggest difference between the team that started 1-7 and 5-3 was Pasquloni's defense, which was more opportunistic-- remember how huge that pick-6 by McCann was? Pasquloni's defense doubled the amount of takeaways from the first half of the season.
 

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He is not the only one, but it is good to see one of these types called out.

He's one of many and he set himself up to being called out by calling me a hater. Anytime you don't have an optimistic view of the team and someone takes offense by calling you a hater you know they're a FAN. Me and him argued all of last season he claimed my football insight was ignorant and this was coming from a guy who said he had a feeling the Cowboys would end up in the SB. lol He was as down on the team as anyone at the end of last season. He submitted his share of negative comments on the team.

Most FANS are knee jerkers who live in the moment which is why a few have started silly threads claiming they're moving on from the Cowboys to cheer for another team. All it takes is one impressive win to get most of them hopping on the SB bandwagon and only one bad loss to get some to throw in the towel on the team. At the end of every disappointing season a few post that they'll never fall into the trap again with the Cowboys only to get baited right back after free agency, the draft and a few OTA practices.
 

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Realists showing frustration over the team doesn't mean we hate it means we care. Even FANS like yourself have shown some frustration this offseason but once free agency arrives and the Cowboys make their draft selections you're back feeling optimism again. Last year heading into camp you yourself said things seem different with the team so much so you claimed you had a feeling the Cowboys would end up in the SB. :rolleyes: I asked you what you saw during the summer that made you feel that way and you said you couldn't explain it you just have a feeling. Once it became obvious your feeling was wrong and I asked again after the season why you had such an optimistic outlook entering the 2013 season you admitted what I said months earlier that it was the FAN in you coming out.

You've submitted several negative posts that have shown your discouragement with the team this offseason. Care to deny it? Several weeks ago you said in frustration that Jerry cares more about making money than winning but per usual with FANS like you once the wounds from the previous season have healed and the Cowboys make their draft selections you're back spinning optimism again. As a matter fact you started a thread within the past week saying you were feeling optimistic again. You're just one of the many FANS that keep falling into the same trap before the team even gets to training camp. So what are you feeling for the 2014 season? Should we book our SB tickets? lol

My issue with posters such as yourself is that you hardly ever have anything positive to say. You are always negative towards anything Cowboys. It's ok to have some issues with the team, but your posts are almost always negative. The definition of a hater in my book.
 

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I don't see how anyone can be down on this team at the moment, or even the way this off season has turned out. We've aggressively addressed team needs, now it's just up to the players whether they're going to make an impact or not.

Well 20 years of bad football is not easily overlooked. However, aside from not changing the head coach in training, I am good with just about every off season move they have made and most they did not make too. If they are unable to sustain a real running attack or do not stick with it even when it is working again, I will go out of my mind. I have to believe they finally will with the resources spent on the line and the painfully obvious loss to GB last year due to the ridiculous decision to keep passing when up by 23 and running the ball at 7 YPC. I think a lot rides defensively still on Melton's health. When healthy he is a very disruptive 3tech. If he is healthy and D-Law gives us consistent pressure, those 2 things alone change the D dramatically. We allowed 27 points per game. If the D can make that 22-23 ppg and we learn that running the ball keeps our D on the sidelines, we can be right in the mix at the end. Not out of the question but a few if's to hope for.
 

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My issue with posters such as yourself is that you hardly ever have anything positive to say. You are always negative towards anything Cowboys. It's ok to have some issues with the team, but your posts are almost always negative. The definition of a hater in my book.

According to his post, he gave shared the same negative views, but you allow yourself to be sucked in every year. You want to address that, because I honestly don't understand how that happens. As for your other issue with the haters, you will find that they make positive posts as well, it just depends on the subject.
 

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According to his post, he gave shared the same negative views, but you allow yourself to be sucked in every year. You want to address that, because I honestly don't understand how that happens. As for your other issue with the haters, you will find that they make positive posts as well, it just depends on the subject.

The folks I'm talking about hardly ever make a positive post.

As for being positive about this year, unless your heads in the ground, you can't help but notice the change in the organization recently. They've been making smart decisions regarding player personnel. Their scouting department has been finding good production out of players that all other teams have given up on. The drafting has been better. The coaches being brought in are getting better. Kiffin was out of touch so they went with Marinelli. That's just a few things, but there's been lot's of positives happening that should give non-hater folks reason for optimism about the team.
 

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My issue with posters such as yourself is that you hardly ever have anything positive to say. You are always negative towards anything Cowboys. It's ok to have some issues with the team, but your posts are almost always negative. The definition of a hater in my book.

What have you seen the past 4 seasons to be so optimistic about? The Cowboys haven't had a winning record or made the playoffs since 09. How long have you been following the team? Were you around when they were winning championships under Landry and Jimmy? I've posted that the OL is coming together and that the receiving corp looks promising but other than that I don't see anything to be optimistic about. In our discussions have I been wrong about anything I've said about the team? Some of you just look for positives in the face of all the many negatives.

Garrett is not the answer at HC he's proven that the past 3 seasons and the defensive personnel has gotten worse with the loss of Hatcher and Ware. If the draft turns out it won't pay dividends until 2015 and 2016. It's going to take time for these players to develop and make an impact. Martin may make an immediate impact on the OL but it's going to take time for these young defensive players especially with the mess we have on that side of the ball. The problem with you and many others is you allow the FAN in you to get the better of you. You've admitted it.
 

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Well 20 years of bad football is not easily overlooked. However, aside from not changing the head coach in training, I am good with just about every off season move they have made and most they did not make too. If they are unable to sustain a real running attack or do not stick with it even when it is working again, I will go out of my mind. I have to believe they finally will with the resources spent on the line and the painfully obvious loss to GB last year due to the ridiculous decision to keep passing when up by 23 and running the ball at 7 YPC. I think a lot rides defensively still on Melton's health. When healthy he is a very disruptive 3tech. If he is healthy and D-Law gives us consistent pressure, those 2 things alone change the D dramatically. We allowed 27 points per game. If the D can make that 22-23 ppg and we learn that running the ball keeps our D on the sidelines, we can be right in the mix at the end. Not out of the question but a few if's to hope for.

The Green Bay game was one of the worst coached games that I have ever watched. The players relaxed as well and caused a real stinker for the history books.
 

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What have you seen the past 4 seasons to be so optimistic about? The Cowboys haven't had a winning record or made the playoffs since 09. How long have you been following the team? Were you around when they were winning championships under Landry and Jimmy? I've posted that the OL is coming together and that the receiving corp looks promising but other than that I don't see anything to be optimistic about. In our discussions have I been wrong about anything I've said about the team? Some of you just look for positives in the face of all the many negatives.

Garrett is not the answer at HC he's proven that the past 3 seasons and the defensive personnel has gotten worse with the loss of Hatcher and Ware. If the draft turns out it won't pay dividends until 2015 and 2016. It's going to take time for these players to develop and make an impact. Martin may make an immediate impact on the OL but it's going to take time for these young defensive players especially with the mess we have on that side of the ball. The problem with you and many others is you allow the FAN in you to get the better of you. You've admitted it.

The problem with you is that you first look to find the negative instead of the positive. If you haven't seen the positives, then there's no need for me to tell you about them. You're obviously incapable, mentally, of recognizing them.
 

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The Green Bay game was one of the worst coached games that I have ever watched. The players relaxed as well and caused a real stinker for the history books.

I posted on here before half time, that the only coach that can stop our running game is Garrett. It was 26-3 in the 3rd qtr I believe when I told my wife, that we were going to keep passing until Green Bay wins this game. It was embarrassing.
 

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I posted on here before half time, that the only coach that can stop our running game is Garrett. It was 26-3 in the 3rd qtr I believe when I told my wife, that we were going to keep passing until Green Bay wins this game. It was embarrassing.

It was an epic failure.

One of the few times, if only, that I have seen a team that was so far ahead refuse to run and the team that was so far behind start running more and more.
 

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I'm sorry but I have no idea what you just said.

I imagine that you get that a lot. When you live in a world where the only options are "A" or "B," someone giving the answer of "C" is impossible to deal with.

You wouldn't know real if it punched you in the face.
 

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It was an epic failure.

One of the few times, if only, that I have seen a team that was so far ahead refuse to run and the team that was so far behind start running more and more.

lol. exactly. If their first half stats were 15 carries for 42 yards, I could see the thinking, but 29 had over 100 yards before the half, if I am not mistaken. When you can run like they did in the 1st half, you should win every game period even with a bad defense.
 

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The problem with you is that you first look to find the negative instead of the positive. If you haven't seen the positives, then there's no need for me to tell you about them. You're obviously incapable, mentally, of recognizing them.

You didn't answer my questions. If you're not going to address my questions or are incapable of coming up with any answers then you're just wasting time. Let's see if you can come up with an answer to this one if there's been positives in these 3 straight 8-8 seasons lets hear them? If the Cowboys show improvement in one area they get worse in another that keeps the team stuck at 500. Now that the OL has been rebuilt and looks solid the defensive front 7 looks awful.

If your team is sitting home for the playoffs every year with a 500 record there isn't any positives. To make the playoffs and win a championship you have to win consistently. It's about WINNING games and if your W/L record is keeping you home for the playoffs every year there isn't any positives to be found.
 

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You didn't answer my questions. If you're not going to address my questions or are incapable of coming up with any answers then you're just wasting time. Let's see if you can come up with an answer to this one if there's been positives in these 3 straight 8-8 seasons lets hear them? If the Cowboys show improvement in one area they get worse in another that keeps the team stuck at 500. Now that the OL has been rebuilt and looks solid the defensive front 7 looks awful.

If your team is sitting home for the playoffs every year with a 500 record there isn't any positives. To make the playoffs and win a championship you have to win consistently. It's about WINNING games and if your W/L record is keeping you home for the playoffs every year there isn't any positives to be found.

I agree. This team didn't beat a winning team at all last year. I supposed you can be positive that we were better than the worse. That's about it. I saw the Cowboys lose games in epic fashion last season. It's hard to be positive about anything they do until you actually see it on the field.
 

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This is true. However, each season brings change and possibilities for Cowboys fans.

Yup! We can whine and complain about the same old same old or we can swear that things are changing; the bottom line, though, is that it is a new season and the possibilities are endless.
 

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I know it's early and I maybe falling in a trap yet again with my beloved Cowboys but their seems to be something different going on with the organization. We are aggressively searching high and low churning this roster looking to add guys who are coming to try out for us who may have been disregarded or given up on. Now I'm not saying this means anything cause we haven't played a game yet but I like the direction we are headed in. We r a young football team we are getting real young on D still remains to be seen if it translates on the field but I like we are being aggressive

Yeth you half fallen into a trip.
I say the same thing ever year. Get ready for a 7-9 season or thereabouts.
The talent level is higher this year, yeth.
So is the talent level on many teams.
If you are still in the trap in the morning, I will deputize a posse to go find you and free you from that yearly trap.
 

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I agree. This team didn't beat a winning team at all last year. I supposed you can be positive that we were better than the worse. That's about it. I saw the Cowboys lose games in epic fashion last season. It's hard to be positive about anything they do until you actually see it on the field.

Eagles.
 
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