Sopranos - Article page 18

[peplaw06]

The whole thing with Vito's son was a gigantic waste of time.

The last two seasons have been very disappointing.

That whole story line was completely bizarre... taking a dump in the shower... and showing it?!? :laugh2:

It seems like the show is meandering through the last few episodes. Nothing seems to be building. Unless they start heading somewhere, the ending is going to be completely out of left field.

 

[Yeagermeister]

That whole story line was completely bizarre... taking a dump in the shower... and showing it?!? :laugh2:

It seems like the show is meandering through the last few episodes. Nothing seems to be building. Unless they start heading somewhere, the ending is going to be completely out of left field.

Something is going to happen with Hesh and Phil. Hesh knows too much and probably won't be around long.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The only thing I can figure with Vito's son is it being the final straw that puts Tony against Phil.

I would not be shocked if Phil comes back and says something along the lines of Tony having no business having his relative put in a camp or tony taking the cheap route instead of paying for the move.

Of course Tony will flip out over that and that will be the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back.

Concerning Hesh (sp?) and his girl dying.

Maybe Hesh thinks Tony had something to do with it, whether he did or not, and so he sides with Phil in some way to have Tony taken out.

Just odd that they have these two side stories out of nowhere. All of these years we have never really seen Tony's gambling problems. Sure he has played cards and gambled but not with these problems.

I thought it was also a little odd when Tony was being driven through town and he kept looking back at the jewish people and then talking about the jewish with Dr Melfi.

So there has to be a reason to bring up the tension with Hesh since it seems they have gotten along so well in the past. Remember when Tony was having troubles before it was Hesh he would call instead of some of his other guys.

 

[Concord]

This whole gambling angle is pretty lame, suddenly Tony is a degenerate gambler betting on everything. I hope they go in a different direction the last few episodes. Seems like they are grasping at straws these last 2 episodes. Only like 45 minutes tonight too.

I said the same thing to my wife.

In one episode Tony's turned into a full blown gambling addict.



Next week we'll probably not hear a thing about it.

 

[Concord]

Did Tony have the girl whacked? Seemed like a rather empty sorrowfulness.

So far, I am a little dissappointed of this season.

I thought that too.

 

[jem88]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/television/2003688488_webtvbianculli01.html

Says it all really.

 

[Danny White]

Well, it's official. This once-great show is going out with a whimper, not a bang.

Even if the last couple episodes are great (and we keep waiting for them to start being great) it doesn't make up for the last dozen or so being downright boring.

It's almost as disappointing as those new Star Wars episodes.

 

[Doomsday]

I thought last night's episode was pretty good. That probably should of been the first episode this year.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Chris is definately going to rat on Tony forcing him to take him out.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I agree, this was by far the best episode yet.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I thought last night's episode was pretty good. That probably should of been the first episode this year.

Agreed. I liked last nights episode.

Of course anything would be better than last season so who knows.

 

[Danny White]

Agreed. I liked last nights episode.

Of course anything would be better than last season so who knows.

To all those who think that last night's episode was good, I would respectfully argue that your standards of what makes for a "good" Sopranos episode have been severely beaten down over the past two years.

That episode, while it might have relatively been the best so far this year, wouldn't rank anywhere when lined up against the first few seasons.

I think the only reason it seemed good, is that finally, the plot seems to be going somewhere. But as far as anything memorable or meaningful from this episode... it was still pretty lacking.

The most memorable part of it was Chris killing his writer friend, which honestly seemed like a really gratuitous killing to me.

 

[Yeagermeister]

To all those who think that last night's episode was good, I would respectfully argue that your standards of what makes for a "good" Sopranos episode have been severely beaten down over the past two years.

That episode, while it might have relatively been the best so far this year, wouldn't rank anywhere when lined up against the first few seasons.

I think the only reason it seemed good, is that finally, the plot seems to be going somewhere. But as far as anything memorable or meaningful from this episode... it was still pretty lacking.

The most memorable part of it was Chris killing his writer friend, which honestly seemed like a really gratuitous killing to me.

Yeah it put JT out of our misery. I never liked that character anyway.

 

[jem88]

Finally, the quality episode we've all been waiting for. Definately the best of the last two seasons, and, I daresay, one of the better shows of all-time. Hopefully this will continue.

 

[jem88]

To all those who think that last night's episode was good, I would respectfully argue that your standards of what makes for a "good" Sopranos episode have been severely beaten down over the past two years.

That episode, while it might have relatively been the best so far this year, wouldn't rank anywhere when lined up against the first few seasons.

I think the only reason it seemed good, is that finally, the plot seems to be going somewhere. But as far as anything memorable or meaningful from this episode... it was still pretty lacking.

The most memorable part of it was Chris killing his writer friend, which honestly seemed like a really gratuitous killing to me.

I'll have to disagree on this one. I think the full weight of Tony's existence and especially its impact on his son, came down on him in his session with Melfi. A.J.'s character looks to be moving in an interesting direction, while the Chris-Paulie relationship (never the same since Pine Barrens) appears headed for disaster. You're right in that it had nothing on episodes like College, I Dream of Jeannie Cusamano, Fun House, Knight in White Satin Armour, or Pine Barrens, but that's a near-impossible standard to match. If the whole season matched the quality of last night's show, we'd really be depressed over the series ending.

It's true that standards might be lowered, but conversely, the guard also has gone up. That's why the episode with Tony and Paulie on the boat left me a bit vexed. On the surface, it was good, but the blind alleys of the recent seasons left me a little distru****l and unable to enjoy that show. So that's all the more reason why I was impressed by the most recent episode.

 

[calico]

I thought this was the best episode of the season by far. I finally find something involving AJ interesting.

I just can't help but think we have just a handful of episodes or story arcs worth a damn and just filler for the rest...for me, the season started last night.

 

[Danny White]

I'll have to disagree on this one. I think the full weight of Tony's existence and especially its impact on his son, came down on him in his session with Melfi. A.J.'s character looks to be moving in an interesting direction, while the Chris-Paulie relationship (never the same since Pine Barrens) appears headed for disaster. You're right in that it had nothing on episodes like College, I Dream of Jeannie Cusamano, Fun House, Knight in White Satin Armour, or Pine Barrens, but that's a near-impossible standard to match. If the whole season matched the quality of last night's show, we'd really be depressed over the series ending.

It's true that standards might be lowered, but conversely, the guard also has gone up. That's why the episode with Tony and Paulie on the boat left me a bit vexed. On the surface, it was good, but the blind alleys of the recent seasons left me a little distru****l and unable to enjoy that show. So that's all the more reason why I was impressed by the most recent episode.

As usual, you raise some good points. In particular about Tony's comments to Melfi... that's been one of the themes that I've always maintained as being one of the most important of the show.

I'm going to have to re-watch this episode. I may not have given it a fair shot.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'll have to disagree on this one. I think the full weight of Tony's existence and especially its impact on his son, came down on him in his session with Melfi. A.J.'s character looks to be moving in an interesting direction, while the Chris-Paulie relationship (never the same since Pine Barrens) appears headed for disaster. You're right in that it had nothing on episodes like College, I Dream of Jeannie Cusamano, Fun House, Knight in White Satin Armour, or Pine Barrens, but that's a near-impossible standard to match. If the whole season matched the quality of last night's show, we'd really be depressed over the series ending.

It's true that standards might be lowered, but conversely, the guard also has gone up. That's why the episode with Tony and Paulie on the boat left me a bit vexed. On the surface, it was good, but the blind alleys of the recent seasons left me a little distru****l and unable to enjoy that show. So that's all the more reason why I was impressed by the most recent episode.

Even more to consider.

Chris kept saying Paulie was messing with his family. Now his new family is not really in the "family" business so it is interesting that he said his family a few times while he is distancing himself from the "family" if you see what I am getting at.

We see how chrissy is still holding feelings about Ade and how Tony never really takes that into consideration.

Chris is at a crossroads, nothing a blind man can not see here, but the idea that he almost told the guy the situation once and then basically did tell him the second time says he wants out and off his chest. However he also realized it was a mistake and killed him.

What will chrissy do if he keeps getting pushed in order to get out of the business, it should be interesting to watch.

I think he finally realizes that there is a difference between "Family" and a real family that actually loves him without strings attached.

We see AJ possibly getting into the business although at the same time not really telling his dad about it, or at least we have not seen him tell his dad about it.

Will losing his fiance turn him and make him the tough guy he has failed to be all these years...just something interesting.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Even more to consider.

Chris kept saying Paulie was messing with his family. Now his new family is not really in the "family" business so it is interesting that he said his family a few times while he is distancing himself from the "family" if you see what I am getting at.

We see how chrissy is still holding feelings about Ade and how Tony never really takes that into consideration.

Chris is at a crossroads, nothing a blind man can not see here, but the idea that he almost told the guy the situation once and then basically did tell him the second time says he wants out and off his chest. However he also realized it was a mistake and killed him.

What will chrissy do if he keeps getting pushed in order to get out of the business, it should be interesting to watch.

I think he finally realizes that there is a difference between "Family" and a real family that actually loves him without strings attached.

We see AJ possibly getting into the business although at the same time not really telling his dad about it, or at least we have not seen him tell his dad about it.

Will losing his fiance turn him and make him the tough guy he has failed to be all these years...just something interesting.

They might try to turn AJ that way but the character is such a wimp I can't buy it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They might try to turn AJ that way but the character is such a wimp I can't buy it.

That is why it is interesting.

He was been a wimp all this time but there at the end I think they will play it as do or die with his character.

I think they gave this as an excuse (although I admit it is a very weak one with his girl breaking up with him) in order to change his character.

Can't say I think it is a good idea or like the way they are going about it, but I guess they are rushing things along.

Oddly enough, even though he tired to kill Junior last season, he reminds me more of Junior than anyone else in the family.