Source: Vick 'one of the heavyweights' in dogfighting

[Yeagermeister]

You guys wanna do something about the size of some of these sigs? I mean really.............

Wrong thread

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, I don't know how Vick is going to get away from this one, let's look at the case going against him so far

1. his house
2. physical evidence of dog-fighting in that house
3. witnesses that place him at the scene at the time of said dog-fights

what Vick has going for him

"uh, uh...my fam lives there, it be them"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know why anyone differentiates between what is less illegal or more, if it's illegal, it's illegal

So is jaywalking and exceeding the speed limit.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So is jaywalking and exceeding the speed limit.

your point?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Some posters really are not smart enough to realize that they are in effect defending dog fighting every time they come up with the truly lame post- BUT ITS NOT AS BAD AS murder, rape, etc.

i for one don't understand how dogfighting is illegal when rodeos, zoos, the meatpacking, fur and skin, dog racing, cosmetics and other forms of animal testing plus a whole slew of other industries that subject animals to untold cruelties are perfectly acceptable.

Fact is the anaology is perfect. Causing an animal to die which we do ALL THE TIME is nothing compared to the rape of a human being much less taking the life of one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

your point?

that a relativistic oultlook makes perfect sense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i for one don't understand how dogfighting is illegal when rodeos, zoos, the meatpacking, fur and skin, dog racing, cosmetics and other forms of animal testing plus a whole slew of other industries that subject animals to untold cruelties are perfectly acceptable.

if you can't understand why torturing and killing an animal for no beneficial reason is illegal, then noone can help you

Fact is the anaology is perfect. Causing an animal to die which we do ALL THE TIME is nothing compared to the rape of a human being much less taking the life of one.

you're right, violating animals isn't equatable w/ violating human rights

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that a relativistic oultlook makes perfect sense.

so

if you find something to be less harmful, yet still illegal, it's ok to break that law? so you would assault someone and when the cops show up, you would say, "hey, at least I didn't kill him"?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if you can't understand why torturing and killing an animal for no beneficial reason is illegal, then noone can help you

Its an industry. People make money off the betting and entry fees so there is a benefit just like rodeos, zoos and horse/dog racing.

Plus there are cultures that eat dog so if we were to package and export the loser then it would be okay?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Its an industry. People make money off the betting and entry fees so there is a benefit just like rodeos, zoos and horse/dog racing.

omg, selling drugs is an industry too, let's make that legal while we're at it too

Plus there are cultures that eat dog so if we were to package and export the loser then it would be okay?

you would have to export alot of losers to make it "ok", even though the torture of the animals before then really dampens that spirit

that is a really extreme example you have there

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so

if you find something to be less harmful, yet still illegal, it's ok to break that law? so you would assault someone and when the cops show up, you would say, "hey, at least I didn't kill him"?

This analogy is futile. You are comparing animals to people.

There are tons of laws that people break as a matter of course in our society. Traffic, tax, immigration, drug and gun laws all come to mind. Using whether or not there is a law in place to determine the acceptability of a practice holds very little water.

 

[jimmy40]

i for one don't understand how dogfighting is illegal when rodeos, zoos, the meatpacking, fur and skin, dog racing, cosmetics and other forms of animal testing plus a whole slew of other industries that subject animals to untold cruelties are perfectly acceptable.

Fact is the anaology is perfect. Causing an animal to die which we do ALL THE TIME is nothing compared to the rape of a human being much less taking the life of one.

Yea, they should stop letting those steers fight to the death at rodeos.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

omg, selling drugs is an industry too, let's make that legal while we're at it too

you would have to export alot of losers to make it "ok", even though the torture of the animals before then really dampens that spirit

that is a really extreme example you have there

As for the first i am not going to turn this into a political discussion so I am not going to address teh first as i would want. You were the one that said there was no benefit. i was just pointing out that you are wrong in saying that.

As for the second, we torture and kill animals in all of the examples I have listed above like the meatpacking and animal testing industries and that doesnt dampen that spirit. but from what you say if we were to do that then it would be acceptable and that is the very reason I say that all the people that use your rationale are perpetrating a gross hypocrisy.

Lets zap that cow in the groin so we can get off to it why dont we?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This analogy is futile. You are comparing animals to people.

I'm not comparing animals to people, I'm trying to figure out why you're saying breaking a law, in this instance, holding dog-fights, is nothing compared to say, sniffing cocaine, or whatever examples you were using when you said this is nothing compared to what other players are getting busted for

There are tons of laws that people break as a matter of course in our society. Traffic, tax, immigration, drug and gun laws all come to mind. Using whether or not there is a law in place to determine the acceptability of a practice holds very little water.

uh, you do know why laws are laws right? they are barring activities that are deemed unacceptable

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yea, they should stop letting those steers fight to the death at rodeos.

No we should just put their lives in mortal fear and kick them in the groin to really piss them off.

 

[jimmy40]

No we should just put their lives in mortal fear and kick them in the groin to really piss them off.

You really have no clue do you?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not comparing animals to people, I'm trying to figure out why you're saying breaking a law, in this instance, holding dog-fights, is nothing compared to say, sniffing cocaine, or whatever examples you were using when you said this is nothing compared to what other players are getting busted for



uh, you do know why laws are laws right? they are barring activities that are deemed unacceptable

Youa re living in a society where it is acceptable to break the law. Tax, sodomy traffic and immigration laws are just a few examples of that. Just because there is a law in a book means NOTHING.

 

[tomson75]

Yea, they should stop letting those steers fight to the death at rodeos.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As for the first i am not going to turn this into a political discussion so I am not going to address teh first as i would want. You were the one that said there was no benefit. i was just pointing out that you are wrong in saying that.

the benefits produced from dog-fighting are the same ones produced from selling drugs, a few individuals are reaping monetary rewards, so they are benefitting only themselves, not society

that's unless these dog-fighters are donating most of their winnings to charity, and a great number of dog-fighters are doing it as well, and then I could see your point

As for the second, we torture and kill animals in all of the examples I have listed above like the meatpacking and animal testing industries and that doesnt dampen that spirit. but from what you say if we were to do that then it would be acceptable and that is the very reason I say that all the people that use your rationale are perpetrating a gross hypocrisy.

well I don't torture animals and test products on them

Lets zap that cow in the groin so we can get off to it why dont we?

ok

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You really have no clue do you?

on what basis do you say that? because i can make arguments against your unfounded position?

fact of the matter is people are cruel to animals at rodeos.