Sources: Dallas Cowboys offer Barber deal for $30 million

[festus]

wow.

After reading this thread again the fickleness of the cowboys fans just comes out.

You pay him for his production. Not how many carries, what he does with the carries. He has been plenty good with the ball in his hands.

I always think the cowboys fan is the most fickle in all of sports and threads like this re-assure that for me.

Its a negotiation.

I said the same thing about Flozell Adams. You Pay him for his production, not how many false start's he get's. Also, Adams has proved he's worth the money, Barber, he still has work to do.

 

[WoodysGirl]

OK, so how much is he worth to you?

You didn't ask me, but $30m is more than fair for someone whose still somewhat unproven, IMO.

That said, nothing wrong with Barber swinging for the moon, tho.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

That was awesome of Jerry to extend this offer even before the Draft. I hate to say it, but this is probably their way of their figuring out if they need to Draft a compliment type back or one that can carry the load in 2009. If MBIII's demands don't go down by next weekend, Dallas might try to move up to select more of a feature back.

 

[festus]

You didn't ask me, but $30m is more than fair for someone whose still somewhat unproven, IMO.

That said, nothing wrong with Barber swinging for the moon, tho.

30 mil is more like Turner money and I think thats fair for someone who has been sharing carries.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You didn't ask me, but $30m is more than fair for someone whose still somewhat unproven, IMO.

That said, nothing wrong with Barber swinging for the moon, tho.

Yeah, we do have a whole season to figure out if he is worth more. To me, he is worth somewhere in the 30s, but not much more than that cause of his need to have a good back to share the load. Now if he demonstrates an ability to be a feature back, things change, but honestly I don't see that happening with his running style.

Fun to watch, but when it comes to dollars and cents, hopefully we won't be stupid here.

 

[theebs]

OK, so how much is he worth to you?

First off, quit worrying about the headline. Everyone is responding like barber is demanding 60 million dollars or he is going to go do pushups in his driveway and tell wade phillips his last name isnt phillips.

I dont believe that is the case. Its april so rosenhaus will continue to work to get him the most he can. I bet they settle somewhere slightly above the cowboys initial offer.

Do I think he is worth 6 or 7 years for 35 or 40 million, yes I do. He not only is a talented player our team needs to win but he carries with him all the intangibles that give our team an identity. He is a part of this thing and He is an important guy in the locker room and on the field.

No matter what he is paid his role shouldnt change. I dont think he should get more carries than he has the last two years. I would pay him that for the production he has put up over the last 3 years. Couple him with another young runner or two and he might be more effective. If there is more than one good runner on this team defenses will have a very difficult time stopping our running attack. Julius at times became like a chance for the defense to catch its breath.

anyway, its a negotiation in April. Anybody in barber's situation would be asking for market value. Michael Turner has done nothing in the nfl and look at what he got. Meanwhile barber has been the heart of a playoff offense for two years who always gets the tough yards and has a nose for the endzone.

 

[Doomsday101]

I love you Barber but you still have more to prove before you start making money that the top RB in the league are currently getting. Jerry has shown in the past if you are the top player at a position within the NFL he will pay you as such right now Barber is not

 

[Hostile]

Well, when I saw the deal that Michael Turner got I knew about what ballpark Rosenhaus would ask for given Turner hasn't been to the Pro Bowl and Barber has. I'd like to see the deal get done.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

First off, quit worrying about the headline. Everyone is responding like barber is demanding 60 million dollars or he is going to go do pushups in his driveway and tell wade phillips his last name isnt phillips.

I dont believe that is the case. Its april so rosenhaus will continue to work to get him the most he can. I bet they settle somewhere slightly above the cowboys initial offer.

Do I think he is worth 6 or 7 years for 35 or 40 million, yes I do. He not only is a talented player our team needs to win but he carries with him all the intangibles that give our team an identity. He is a part of this thing and He is an important guy in the locker room and on the field.

No matter what he is paid his role shouldnt change. I dont think he should get more carries than he has the last two years. I would pay him that for the production he has put up over the last 3 years. Couple him with another young runner or two and he might be more effective. If there is more than one good runner on this team defenses will have a very difficult time stopping our running attack. Julius at times became like a chance for the defense to catch its breath.

anyway, its a negotiation in April. Anybody in barber's situation would be asking for market value. Michael Turner has done nothing in the nfl and look at what he got. Meanwhile barber has been the heart of a playoff offense for two years who always gets the tough yards and has a nose for the endzone.

Well I do believe he deserves more than Turner, but the problem is getting his salary in line with a high draft choice at the same position. This is the whole problem I have had with Barber from the get go, and saw this coming.

We need a high quality back to go with him, yet he wants to be paid feature back money. Well, there isn't enough to go around. Even if he gets $45 million, where does that put us with our next first or second round RB this year. Puts us spending a heck of alot of money on the position.

One feature back and a cheap backup would be a much better situation.

 

[superpunk]

First off, quit worrying about the headline. Everyone is responding like barber is demanding 60 million dollars or he is going to go do pushups in his driveway and tell wade phillips his last name isnt phillips.

That reaction was to be expected. You come in high, the other side comes in low, you find a middle ground. Barber's not going to get that money, this is just part of the process.

 

[festus]

I can agree with most of what you say about negotiations in April. As long as you're asking, why not shoot for the moon. Like I said, the pressure is on Barber to sign. Jerry owns him for the season for 2.5 million and Barber won't want to enter the season playing under the tender, too many risk's.



I agree they will come to a happy medium between 30-35 mil.

 

[Stash]

Why do I get the feeling that running back has now become a bit higher draft priority?

 

[theebs]

Well I do believe he deserves more than Turner, but the problem is getting his salary in line with a high draft choice at the same position. This is the whole problem I have had with Barber from the get go, and saw this coming.

We need a high quality back to go with him, yet he wants to be paid feature back money. Well, there isn't enough to go around. Even if he gets $45 million, where does that put us with our next first or second round RB this year. Puts us spending a heck of alot of money on the position.

One feature back and a cheap backup would be a much better situation.

So you are replacing him already? You think the draft will bring a running back that can step on the field in september and do what barber does for this team? I certainly dont.

He is the feature back. He was all last year. He doesnt need to get 25 carries a game to be a feature back. He is one of the most productive players at his position with the amount of carries he has now, that is all he needs. If you start giving him the ball more he may get injured or too banged up.

A rookie running back at the bottom of the first round or in the second round is not going to be so cost prohibitive that u cant sign barber.

It will probably get done at slightly above the original offer. If not then you might as well move him because he most likely wont sign next year either and then you get nothing for him.

If you decide to do that, well I would love to see the look on the players faces in this locker room. He is a vital piece.

 

[BruceWayne]

I think they settle somewhere around 35 mil. You would think he would be happy with that.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

So you are replacing him already? You think the draft will bring a running back that can step on the field in september and do what barber does for this team? I certainly dont.

He is the feature back. He was all last year. He doesnt need to get 25 carries a game to be a feature back. He is one of the most productive players at his position with the amount of carries he has now, that is all he needs. If you start giving him the ball more he may get injured or too banged up.

A rookie running back at the bottom of the first round or in the second round is not going to be so cost prohibitive that u cant sign barber.

It will probably get done at slightly above the original offer. If not then you might as well move him because he most likely wont sign next year either and then you get nothing for him.

If you decide to do that, well I would love to see the look on the players faces in this locker room. He is a vital piece.

Never said I was replacing him, I was saying with his particular situation, it is difficult to build the team around him and his potential salary with the need for a quality backup.

Sure it can be done, but I don't figure it will be easy. I do think your love for Barber makes you totally underestimating the feature back component of the equation. With a feature back, you really don't need to worry about the backup as much as you do with Barber.

With all the players we have to resign, every dollar will probably count.

 

[iceberg]

I think they settle somewhere around 35 mil. You would think he would be happy with that.

oh, i would be, that's for sure. : )

 

[aikemirv]

If a deal does not get done by the draft MBIII I think MBIII is going to be playing for 2.5 mill this season. I would Draft Ray Rice and a RB later in the draft and see how it goes.

When you look at where we got Barber in the draft and the success of Ryan Grant and the kid from NYG, I don't really see how you can justify even paying 30 mill for Barber.

But that is just my opinion!

 

[festus]

Funny how storie like these come out just before the draft. That leaves room for so much specualtion from now until draft day. Now, so we don't get it twisted, I like Barber and I want him to be here for a long time with the cowboys.

For that kind of money, I know it's just negotiations, but you could trade Barber and get the wow player jerry has been talking about all along. C.Johnson or R.Williams...I know, I know, it's just a though and I think it's far fetched but you just never know.

 

[theebs]

Never said I was replacing him, I was saying with his particular situation, it is difficult to build the team around him and his potential salary with the need for a quality backup.

Sure it can be done, but I don't figure it will be easy. I do think your love for Barber makes you totally underestimating the feature back component of the equation. With a feature back, you really don't need to worry about the backup as much as you do with Barber.

With all the players we have to resign, every dollar will probably count.

If it is all about the feature back then why does San Diego have darren sproles and until this year Michael turner? Why did KC have johnson and holmes? Why Did pittsburgh have bettis and parker? Why did Indy have rhodes and james, then rhodes and addai until last year.

Why? The giants had Tiki and they still brought on Jacobs? Isnt tiki a featured back...or wasnt he? The Commanders have portis and betts.

Its about production, not "feature Back". Barber is extremely productive in his role and just because he doesnt have the breakaway speed tomlinson or parker do doesnt make him less deserving of the money. He has carved out his own niche on this team and he excels in it.

 

[Mash]

I wonder how much Barber is worth on the market?

If his salary demands are in the range on what is rumoured .....then I will have to really consider trading him.

I like Barber....but he isnt a featured Back and with his running style......chances of him getting hurt are higher....too much of a risk for me.

I know he is the heart of this offense....and gets the tough yards.....but with the weapons we have at WR and TE....and the improved play of the OL.....I think we could replace him...were a passing team first...the pass seems to set up the run here