Sources: Dallas Cowboys offer Barber deal for $30 million

[Stash]

If it is all about the feature back then why does San Diego have darren sproles and until this year Michael turner? Why did KC have johnson and holmes? Why Did pittsburgh have bettis and parker? Why did Indy have rhodes and james, then rhodes and addai until last year.

Why? The giants had Tiki and they still brought on Jacobs? Isnt tiki a featured back...or wasnt he? The Commanders have portis and betts.

Its about production, not "feature Back". Barber is extremely productive in his role and just because he doesnt have the breakaway speed tomlinson or parker do doesnt make him less deserving of the money. He has carved out his own niche on this team and he excels in it.

I think your examples are way off.

Barber isn't close to Tomlinson - in talent or production.

And does Willie Parker make Tomlinson money? Did Bettis?

And Tomlinson,Tiki, and Bettis were more 'carry the mail' guys than Barber has proven to be.

A team can have so much money to devote to the running back position paying top dollar and drafting another first rounder goes beyond that amount.

 

[theebs]

I think your examples are way off.

Barber isn't close to Tomlinson - in talent or production.

And does Willie Parker make Tomlinson money? Did Bettis?

And Tomlinson,Tiki, and Bettis were more 'carry the mail' guys than Barber has proven to be.

A team can have so much money to devote to the running back position paying top dollar and drafting another first rounder goes beyond that amount.

My point had nothing to do with money. It had to do with this idea that great backs carry the load all by themselves, which in the nfl in 2008 does not happen anywhere. Find a good team and you will find a good group of running backs. The key is having productive guys in their role. Barber fits that mold.

Barber has been in the league three years. Barber has been given the chance to carry the mail one game. IN that game he was very good, over 100 yards in a playoff game. Its not his fault the offensive line and a few other guys played very poorly in the second half.

Had we won the playoff game, had fasano caught a td that hit him in the hands or romo hit owens, or crayton run his route or not drop a wide open pass....people would have been pointing to barbers performance as the key because he was so good in the first half. We lost, so naturally it becomes barber cant carry the load.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If it is all about the feature back then why does San Diego have darren sproles and until this year Michael turner? Why did KC have johnson and holmes? Why Did pittsburgh have bettis and parker? Why did Indy have rhodes and james, then rhodes and addai until last year.

Why? The giants had Tiki and they still brought on Jacobs? Isnt tiki a featured back...or wasnt he? The Commanders have portis and betts.

Its about production, not "feature Back". Barber is extremely productive in his role and just because he doesnt have the breakaway speed tomlinson or parker do doesnt make him less deserving of the money. He has carved out his own niche on this team and he excels in it.

It is interesting that every combo your brought up isn't together anymore, kinda ironic....well except the Skins, who I wouldn't want to pattern myself after. The deal is this, after a while, you just can't afford 2 expensive guys in the backfield together.

If we do draft a 1st or 2nd round guy this year, we will have to eventually resign him, with Barber on the payroll with this deal. It is about production, and if we bring in someone else, as your examples suggest, it wouldn't be shocking to see us let someone go.

 

[theebs]

It is interesting that every combo your brought up isn't together anymore, kinda ironic....well except the Skins, who I wouldn't want to pattern myself after. The deal is this, after a while, you just can't afford 2 expensive guys in the backfield together.

If we do draft a 1st or 2nd round guy this year, we will have to eventually resign him, with Barber on the payroll with this deal. It is about production, and if we bring in someone else, as your examples suggest, it wouldn't be shocking to see us let someone go.

Guys retire that happens, three of those situations were because of retirement. I was making a case for the last couple of champions.

If you were to sign barber to a 6 year deal and then a rookie at the bottom of the first round you would have him for 4 years. WHo would need to be let go?

All those combos broke up when their deals were up. San Diego will bring in another runner to go with tomlinson, Ny brought in a number of runners to go with jacobs, pittsburgh had bettis retire on them and you can bet they are going to get more running backs in a week to go with parker and davenport.

Our deal was up with jones, who was not productive so we let him walk. You dont let them both walk. Barber and Jones will find a neutral ground somewhere and spread the money out. A rookie or two will come in and get 4 year deals. It will be a good situation and I dont think the money in time will be prohibitive to anything the team is trying to do.

The flozell adams deal probably does more harm to this team than any contract barber signs.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

My point had nothing to do with money. It had to do with this idea that great backs carry the load all by themselves, which in the nfl in 2008 does not happen anywhere. Find a good team and you will find a good group of running backs. The key is having productive guys in their role. Barber fits that mold.

Barber has been in the league three years. Barber has been given the chance to carry the mail one game. IN that game he was very good, over 100 yards in a playoff game. Its not his fault the offensive line and a few other guys played very poorly in the second half.

Had we won the playoff game, had fasano caught a td that hit him in the hands or romo hit owens, or crayton run his route or not drop a wide open pass....people would have been pointing to barbers performance as the key because he was so good in the first half. We lost, so naturally it becomes barber cant carry the load.

Well, maybe you misunderstood me. My point has everything to do with money, I'm not saying that they have to carry the load all by themselves, just that it is good to have whoever is backing them up as a much cheaper option than a 1st or 2nd rounder.

This thread is about his contract and money, not his heart and what he brings to the team. I'm well aware of what he brings to the team, and I like him as a part of it. If we have to give him a big contract, then his backup also, we will just run into issues later where one of them will be cut or let go eventually.

 

[theebs]

Well, maybe you misunderstood me. My point has everything to do with money, I'm not saying that they have to carry the load all by themselves, just that it is good to have whoever is backing them up as a much cheaper option than a 1st or 2nd rounder.

This thread is about his contract and money, not his heart and what he brings to the team. I'm well aware of what he brings to the team, and I like him as a part of it. If we have to give him a big contract, then his backup also, we will just run into issues later where one of them will be cut or let go eventually.

I hear ya. I just think barber is worth it and if he gets a deal it will be 6 or 7 years and the rookies will get 4 year deals so we would be set at rb for awhile and we wouldnt have to worry about letting people go. I think it would be a good situation.

I understand what you are saying though, the difference is I really dont think barber expects to get 60 million. I think it will be in the 30's and somewhere around what jerry offered. Jerry is pretty persuasive.

 

[WoodysGirl]

If it is all about the feature back then why does San Diego have darren sproles and until this year Michael turner? Why did KC have johnson and holmes? Why Did pittsburgh have bettis and parker? Why did Indy have rhodes and james, then rhodes and addai until last year.

Why? The giants had Tiki and they still brought on Jacobs? Isnt tiki a featured back...or wasnt he? The Commanders have portis and betts.

Its about production, not "feature Back". Barber is extremely productive in his role and just because he doesnt have the breakaway speed tomlinson or parker do doesnt make him less deserving of the money. He has carved out his own niche on this team and he excels in it.

Holmes wasn't a proven feature back when Larry Johnson was drafted. LJ was on his rookie contract for the most of his career until Holmes got his with injuries.

Michael Turner never got enough carries to even be worthy of a conversation. He shared the load sorta with LT, but LT was always the money man.

Bettis was one the downside of his career when Willie Parker was drafted. It wasn't about sharing the load.

Tiki was the feature back meaning he was better than Ron Dayne. Jacobs was drafted the same year Coughlin was hired, I believe. Tiki's fumbling problem went away and he became a dominant back.

By comparison, Barber started his rookie year due to injuries by Julius. Julius came back, Barber went back to backup. There was a changing of the guard, or at least the thinking, in 2006. Barber became fan favorite, but he still shared the load more than anyone considered a feature back.

This would be Barber's first year as feature back. I'd really like to see him show what he could do as true, lead dog.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I hear ya. I just think barber is worth it and if he gets a deal it will be 6 or 7 years and the rookies will get 4 year deals so we would be set at rb for awhile and we wouldnt have to worry about letting people go. I think it would be a good situation.

I understand what you are saying though, the difference is I really dont think barber expects to get 60 million. I think it will be in the 30's and somewhere around what jerry offered. Jerry is pretty persuasive.

I really don't think he wants 60 million, like you said of course, it is part of the negotitation. But I worry about spending so much on the position that we can't resign others.

Someone else brought up the Giants situation, preferably you would love to have some 7th rounder backing up your starter than have to worry about using a first rounder for your backup. When Tiki was there, they knew he was at his end and needed a replacement. This is where Barber needing a backup that will carry the ball 10-15 times a game does hurt us. We have to have a decent back in order to give him the ball that many times in the game. Most of those combos, one of them was the main ball carrier, while the other got scrapes (ask Jerome), in our situation, the backup doesn't get scrapes, he gets alot of important carries.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Uh...

Please don't do this Jerry.

I have to disagree with theebs for one of the few times. If you get this kind of money, you can't be a part-time back anymore. Sure, LT and Larry Johnson may have guys who spell them every now and then, but they still are the true unquestioned stud tailback that gets 80% of the carries. Barber has never done that and I don't know that he can. Frankly, if I had to bet, I'd say he couldn't. I don't think he can run that hard for 30 times a game if he had to. Especially not for several years.

Does anyone else get the idea that now everyone, and maybe especially Rosenhaus after the great T.O. deal, thinks Jerry is just a handout window?

What worries me are those rumors that Jerry will do almost anything to give R.J. what he wants. And R.J. was nothing less than effusive in his praise for MB3 after the Giants loss.

Ugh.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I am not going to claim to know what he is worth or what he should get.... but the whole "non starter" thing should be a non-issue.

How many starting Running Backs dont make double digit TD's in a season. Barber has done that the last 2 years.... as a quote, unquote..."backup"

 

[InmanRoshi]

MB3 is currently one of the the Cowboys' fan favorites, behind only Romo, and that he moves a lot of jerseys. It's always a concern of conflicting interests when the owner is wearing the GM hat. I had the same concerns about Roy Willy.

 

[cobra]

This is negotiations.

Of course he is going to ask for a lot. The lot of you who are freaking out that he is "demanding" that much are missing the boat.

I had a mediation in a wrongful death lawsuit a couple weeks ago.

Plaintiff's initial demand was $25 million.
Defendant offered $50,000.
After 8 hours of negotiations, the final number was $700,000.

$25 million to $700,000. If the guy wouldn't have started at $25 million, and instead started at $1 million, he would have ended up with a lot less even though the initial demand was more reasonable.

Calm down. This is how negotiations work. MBIII is going to want every dollar he can get--as would anyone.

 

[InmanRoshi]

How many starting Running Backs dont make double digit TD's in a season. Barber has done that the last 2 years.... as a quote, unquote..."backup"

TD is just one stat. If Barber wants to get paid LJ or LT money, let's compare yardage totals of the last two years between the three.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

TD is just one stat. If Barber wants to get paid LJ or LT money, let's compare yardage totals of the last two years between the three.

I understand.

But I come from the non-Buddy Ryan philosophy


At the end of the day its all about scoring points, not yardage and by scoring those points = winning games. Production/quality of stat padding quantity.

 

[theebs]

Uh...

Please don't do this Jerry.

I have to disagree with theebs for one of the few times. If you get this kind of money, you can't be a part-time back anymore. Sure, LT and Larry Johnson may have guys who spell them every now and then, but they still are the true unquestioned stud tailback that gets 80% of the carries. Barber has never done that and I don't know that he can. Frankly, if I had to bet, I'd say he couldn't. I don't think he can run that hard for 30 times a game if he had to. Especially not for several years.

Does anyone else get the idea that now everyone, and maybe especially Rosenhaus after the great T.O. deal, thinks Jerry is just a handout window?

What worries me are those rumors that Jerry will do almost anything to give R.J. what he wants. And R.J. was nothing less than effusive in his praise for MB3 after the Giants loss.

Ugh.

FWIW I dont think barber can get the ball that much either. With his style of play...running right into people...he cant get many more carries than he had last year.

iF the money is above 35 millon I would have to think he wont get a deal and then you have to move him now because he will bring back nothing next year.

Now anyone who watches this team as close as most of the members here do it is pretty obvious our line does not run block very well. Maybe that was sporano's doing maybe not, they dont seem to be a line that gets that big push. I think that is why barber has been so productive, he doenst go down on the first tackle, he is not fast but his speed laterally is the same as it is vertically and that allows him to get to the outside and make plays.

I think this is one of those grass is greener scenarios. If you put two rookies in that backfield right now I am not sure how productive they are. They maybe great, I just think with this line right now barber is a great fit. 60 millon dollar great fit...no, but he deserves the market value.

IF you keep barber and get an explosive rookie who can make things happen that would be the ideal situation.

hey maybe I am completely wrong and barber fizzles out this year and we get him for cheaper next year or we just let him play it out like julius. And in that scenario hopefully the back or two backs we draft this year turn out be good ones.

I just want the team to win but I do have a strong hope that barber is on this team for awhile. He is one of our guys and I want to win with him.

 

[Verdict]

I am a MBIII fan. I think he is a very good RB. In fact I favored starting him over Julius Jones all year last year.

I really think that Jerry is making a huge mistake giving Barber even 30 million. Barber does not have home run speed. Because he takes such a pounding running the ball, we are probably going to have to replace him in three years or less anyway.

I think we would be better served to select a back in the first two rounds of the draft and let MBIII walk at the end of this year. Besides, if Barber were to get injured this year, his asking price might drop significantly.

 

[Verdict]

Uh...

Please don't do this Jerry.

I have to disagree with theebs for one of the few times. If you get this kind of money, you can't be a part-time back anymore. Sure, LT and Larry Johnson may have guys who spell them every now and then, but they still are the true unquestioned stud tailback that gets 80% of the carries. Barber has never done that and I don't know that he can. Frankly, if I had to bet, I'd say he couldn't. I don't think he can run that hard for 30 times a game if he had to. Especially not for several years.

Does anyone else get the idea that now everyone, and maybe especially Rosenhaus after the great T.O. deal, thinks Jerry is just a handout window?

What worries me are those rumors that Jerry will do almost anything to give R.J. what he wants. And R.J. was nothing less than effusive in his praise for MB3 after the Giants loss.

Ugh.

Who is R. J.?

 

[heir]

Willie Parker was an undrafted free Agent, as was Rhodes. Jacobs and Sprioles were both 4th rd picks. Turner was a 5th. Chiefs drafted Johnson as insurance because Holmes had a hip injury and he ended up coming back much better than expected. Besides LJ, all these players were drafted or signed as cheap backup alternatives. Point being money is a factor. You just don't see teams signing RBs to such big contracts and then drafting a RB in rd 1 or 2 in the same year. Makes no sense. A choice would have to be made. Either you sign Barber to a deal and draft a back up in the later rounds or you go out and draft a RB high in rd 1 or 2 to be the starter in the future and let Barber walk next year.

 

[superpunk]

Who is R. J.?

You have much to learn, my child.

 

[Vintage]

Uh...

Please don't do this Jerry.

I have to disagree with theebs for one of the few times. If you get this kind of money, you can't be a part-time back anymore. Sure, LT and Larry Johnson may have guys who spell them every now and then, but they still are the true unquestioned stud tailback that gets 80% of the carries. Barber has never done that and I don't know that he can. Frankly, if I had to bet, I'd say he couldn't. I don't think he can run that hard for 30 times a game if he had to. Especially not for several years.

Does anyone else get the idea that now everyone, and maybe especially Rosenhaus after the great T.O. deal, thinks Jerry is just a handout window?

What worries me are those rumors that Jerry will do almost anything to give R.J. what he wants. And R.J. was nothing less than effusive in his praise for MB3 after the Giants loss.

Ugh.

You don't think he can handle a 30 carry a game season?

Genius.

What RB can hold up for 480 carries a season?