Spagnola: This Guy (Leary) On The Cowboys Offensive Line Radar

[Toruk_Makto]

By your standards eagles fans should have been happy with their dream team then.

I won't even attempt to understand your leap of logic that brought you to this place. But suffice it to say...you couldn't be further from where i'm going on the matter.

The facts are is we now have two 1st rounders on the offensive line. Those picks were used within the last two years. In addition before those investments we spent big on the best free agent talent at the position.

It isn't feasible to have 1st rounders at every position on the line. You have to develop guys. And that takes time. Unfortunately the entire line fell apart for us almost overnight. It takes time to rebuild that line.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

I can't stand Micky. No one is more smug about an 8-8 team than he is.

I also hope Leary has a great season.

 

[CF74]

Health-Health-Health, it's coming, we are long overdue.. I like what I'm hearing about the young up and comers...

"the kid had abnormal power"

"They spoke of just how powerful he is, that his “punch” is startling."

"And this word kept coming up: Nasty."

"The healthy-again Phil Costa"

"And don’t forget a healthy-again Kevin Kowalski,"

"About the only sure thing on this offensive line for 2013, health willing, is Tyron Smith at left tackle,"


"And best of all, with the exception of Smith – and likely Frederick, since he’s your first-round pick – no one else (i.e. Bernadeau, Nate Livings, Ryan Cook) has a large enough contract to assure a starting job or even a spot on the final 53-man roster for that matter."


Oh man this is the most exciting news I've heard in awhile about the O-line since Free took a paycut..

:bounce: :dance3:


I believe this O-line will be slightly above average and that might just be enough to make us contenders once again. 11-5 is quite attainable...:starspin

 

[speedkilz88]

Bernadeau I think is assured of a roster spot because his contract was restructured.

 

[dfan32]

I'm looking forward to how this year's offensive line performs.

I'm not here to brag about Garrett but I have to say, since he took over, he has not stood pat with a failing OL. He has 2 first round picks and a multitude of FA's and undrafted rookies to evaluate. His first year he changed damn near the entire OL. I realize it didn't work but to me it was nice to see someone shake things up.

From Parcell's thru Phillips, the OL was for the most part crap. Maybe the worst stretch of failed drafts, where the OL is concerned, in team history. The OL we trotted out on the field pretty much sucked thru both of their tenures as well.

I'm willing to give Garrett some more time because I believe he will not give up untill he has a very tough OL he can trust. I'm thinking much better this year and next...? I think it will be a great OL.

 

[Zordon]

I won't even attempt to understand your leap of logic that brought you to this place. But suffice it to say...you couldn't be further from where i'm going on the matter.

The facts are is we now have two 1st rounders on the offensive line. Those picks were used within the last two years. In addition before those investments we spent big on the best free agent talent at the position.

It isn't feasible to have 1st rounders at every position on the line. You have to develop guys. And that takes time. Unfortunately the entire line fell apart for us almost overnight. It takes time to rebuild that line.

my point is it's about results. you can add as many 1st rounders and high priced FAs on the oline as you want. i'm not going to be "happy" until I see a line that's worth a damn on the field. according to your previous post the fans should be fat and happy simply bc they have two 1st rounders on the line and a 4h rounder....gnore the fact 27th rated line in the league last year and have been one of the worst recent teams at developing linemen. that's called paper champs like the eagles. show me on the field and I'll be happy.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

my point is it's about results. you can add as many 1st rounders and high priced FAs on the oline as you want. i'm not going to be "happy" until I see a line that's worth a damn on the field. according to your previous post the fans should be fat and happy simply bc they have two 1st rounders on the line and a 4h rounder....gnore the fact 27th rated line in the league last year and have been one of the worst recent teams at developing linemen. that's called paper champs like the eagles. show me on the field and I'll be happy.

And my point is that it's about the process.

Simple minds focus only on results.

 

[CF74]

Regarding Leary, I think he is likely to make a huge step this year. I don't expect him to start, but I think he'll be an active game-day backup with a chance to start by next year.

That's pretty much how I see it as well. The soonest he might start would be mid to late season but more than likely next year. I believe he's another guy who needs another season to fully develop..

 

[RoyTheHammer]

And my point is that it's about the process.

Simple minds focus only on results.

Ahh, the "process".

So according to you, JG should never be let go, even if he never gets us to the postseason.. because after all, its a 'process' and you have to give him the time he needs to execute his plan, right? Even if that takes a decade or more?

 

[Zordon]

And my point is that it's about the process.

Simple minds focus only on results.

asinine. gm's, head coaches are hired and fired based on results. this team has had consistency in the front office, head coach and offensive coordinator positions now for some time. nobody is buying the process garbage anymore.

 

[dfan32]

my point is it's about results. you can add as many 1st rounders and high priced FAs on the oline as you want. i'm not going to be "happy" until I see a line that's worth a damn on the field. according to your previous post the fans should be fat and happy simply bc they have two 1st rounders on the line and a 4h rounder....gnore the fact 27th rated line in the league last year and have been one of the worst recent teams at developing linemen. that's called paper champs like the eagles. show me on the field and I'll be happy.

Patience is a virtue. :laugh2: Sorry but Garrett did inherit a mess on the OL and it does take time to add peices and develope cohesiveness.

 

[CF74]

The facts are is we now have two 1st rounders on the offensive line. Those picks were used within the last two years.
It isn't feasible to have 1st rounders at every position on the line. You have to develop guys. And that takes time. Unfortunately the entire line fell apart for us almost overnight. It takes time to rebuild that line.

Truer words have not been spoken. The voice of reason is quite refreshing, please post more...

Everybody forgets how the O-line crumbled against the Vikings in the playoffs..

I'm not here to brag about Garrett but I have to say, since he took over, he has not stood pat with a failing OL. He has 2 first round picks and a multitude of FA's and undrafted rookies to evaluate. His first year he changed damn near the entire OL. I realize it didn't work but to me it was nice to see someone shake things up.

I'm willing to give Garrett some more time because I believe he will not give up untill he has a very tough OL he can trust. I'm thinking much better this year and next...? I think it will be a great OL.

Awesome post.. Garrett is definitely not standing still with this o-line and clearly injuries have slowed down the process but time is not a luxury with some of the other aging vets, sadly.. It might take a full season or two before this o-line is playing at a high level. Hopefully Romo and company can make up the difference...

my point is it's about results. you can add as many 1st rounders and high priced FAs on the oline as you want. i'm not going to be "happy" until I see a line that's worth a damn on the field.

Injuries, tons of them have held us back..

Ahh, the "process".

So according to you, JG should never be let go, even if he never gets us to the postseason.. because after all, its a 'process' and you have to give him the time he needs to execute his plan, right? Even if that takes a decade or more?

Injuries, injuries, and more injuries have hampered the "Process." Give the man his full 4 yrs at HC, a healthy team or at least an average O-line, and then let's revisit his worth.. There isn't one original player on the O-line from our 13-3 season, these new guys need time and health to pan out...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Injuries, injuries, and more injuries have hampered the "Process." Give the man his full 4 yrs at HC, a healthy team or at least an average O-line, and then let's revisit his worth.. There isn't one original player on the O-line from our 13-3 season, these new guys need time and health to pan out...

4 years sounds like a fair evaluation period to me. That's more than enough time for a coach to work his 'process' and decide whether its ever going to produce results. That gives JG maybe another year and a half at most.. so far its been status quo: inconsistency, sloppy play, bad penalties, etc..

Im hoping he turns all that around this year. It seems we have the pieces in place now, time to see results.


..and lets not kid ourselves, results are what this league is all about.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Ahh, the "process".

So according to you, JG should never be let go, even if he never gets us to the postseason.. because after all, its a 'process' and you have to give him the time he needs to execute his plan, right? Even if that takes a decade or more?

How did you come up with that?

I think this team has improved over the last three years. I like the way the team has drafted over the last 3 years. I've seen improvement. That is what one would call a process.

Apparently in your myopic view of the world you implement a process, you go from being an old team to a young one and win the superbowl all in an offseason.

 

[Rack]

This stopped me quick as I read.

Does he actually think that the folks who brought us a decade of futility and ineptitude are 'snickering' about anything?

Who exactly do they 'know better' than?

Amazing that this paid mouthpiece can think that anyone outside of his money masters believe this.

Agreed. That is the same spot I stopped reading.

I was even expecting that kind of article from Mickey but it went further than even I expected.

Snickering? REALLY?!

We all hope Leary is legit but our OL is in crisis mode and plan A at G shouldn't be crossing our fingers that we hit on an UDFA. It's another clear example of the team not prioritizing line play and they'll never win a thing until they do.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How did you come up with that?

I think this team has improved over the last three years. I like the way the team has drafted over the last 3 years. I've seen improvement. That is what one would call a process.

Apparently in your myopic view of the world you implement a process, you go from being an old team to a young one and win the superbowl all in an offseason.

What improvement have you seen?

..and has it only been one offseason under JG? Hmm..

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What improvement have you seen?

..and has it only been one offseason under JG? Hmm..

You have not seen the improvement in talent on this roster? You have not seen how some of our best players are now young guys that people are concerned with locking up full time? You haven't seen development of players on this roster? You have not noticed the improved drafting and player accountability? Where are all the knuckleheads? You haven't seen the talent we are able to attract in position and assistant coaches? And if you haven't been paying attention we have played for the division two years in a row. A bounce here or there and who knows where we are.

I know people are enamored with the first to worst stories we see happen once a year to really poor organizations....but I prefer the gradual influx of young talent and development of unheralded guys.

I laugh when people lament the development of the bottom of our roster but consistently want the Moores, Winstons and Clabos of the world.

I like Garrett. Not afraid to say it in these hostile waters. And I like how he is molding this team. He isn't perfect. But he's improving.

It's a process.

 

[burmafrd]

You have not seen the improvement in talent on this roster? You have not seen how some of our best players are now young guys that people are concerned with locking up full time? You haven't seen development of players on this roster? You have not noticed the improved drafting and player accountability? Where are all the knuckleheads? You haven't seen the talent we are able to attract in position and assistant coaches? And if you haven't been paying attention we have played for the division two years in a row. A bounce here or there and who knows where we are.

I know people are enamored with the first to worst stories we see happen once a year to really poor organizations....but I prefer the gradual influx of young talent and development of unheralded guys.

I laugh when people lament the development of the bottom of our roster but consistently want the Moores, Winstons and Clabos of the world.

I like Garrett. Not afraid to say it in these hostile waters. And I like how he is molding this team. He isn't perfect. But he's improving.

It's a process.

a process assumes that there is progress

you know what assume means right?

 

[Angus]

This stopped me quick as I read.

Does he actually think that the folks who brought us a decade of futility and ineptitude are 'snickering' about anything?

Who exactly do they 'know better' than?

Amazing that this paid mouthpiece can think that anyone outside of his money masters believe this.

You.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

a process assumes that there is progress

you know what assume means right?

That's a fair comment.

Specifically I don't think Garrett is ignoring the offensive line and the need to improve it.

Keep in mind that Jason Garrett is the first Cowboy's coach since Tom Landry to draft an offensive lineman in the first round and he's done it twice now.

Just dwell on that a moment...


Now looking more "globally" at the Cowboys, I think there are three units on the team that are as talented as they've been in a long, long time:

Wide Receiver
Tide End
Corner

In conjunction I think the situation at QB, LB and RB is good.

Safety is a question mark.

The defensive line needs depth and a the offensive line needs a couple more players to step up but overall, top-to-bottom, this team does have some talent.

And I think the coaching staff is the perhaps the best they've assembled in a long time. That's another feather in Garrett's cap.

Now lets go back to the offensive line since this is what this thread is about, do think this offensive line will rank at the end of the season as compared to the offensive line that finished 2012? And why will it rank where you think it will?