Spags is still bitter!

[Mkyle]

Someone who's made up more "facts" than anyone in forum history, should really not go there.

Those are not facts, zebra man...that's called not seeing the forest because of the trees! This kartr boy is amusing...but man, is he loyal! I bet he was a dog in his past life!

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Show me a post where I said he was going to, or should I file this one with you claiming I said I was an intern writing on the Cowboys.

Picking a fight works better if you are not screwing up during the attack.

:laugh2:

Not so confident now, are you?

 

[blindzebra]

Where do you get this 4th strike stuff? Quincy has only failed one test that counts. Jerry's doesn't count because that would be like letting the fox in the hen house. You let teams test their people. That would allow to protect the people they wanted to keep, regardless of what they had done, or get rid of players just cause they didn't like them anymore. It's the reason that you weren't allowed to grade your own test in school, or you parents for that matter. The NFL is an unbiased entity, that's why Jerry's test doesn't count. In fact, we don't really know if QC really failed that test or not, and probably Bill doesn't know for sure either. We all just have Jerry's word for it. Jerry pulled a similar stunt with the Denny Green 'phone interview'. Jerry's a rule-breaker, he thinks that just because he's a billionaire, rules only apply to other people, that's why intervened when a member of his church caravan was stopped for a traffic violation and said, 'this is my party, do you know who I am?.

Someone should tell Mort and Clayton at ESPN this, since both are reporting that the playoff episode in NY will get Carter a 4 game suspension IF he signs with a new team.

 

[blindzebra]

:laugh2:

Not so confident now, are you?

Spin?

You make an erroneous statement, I correct it and it reflects on me and my position?

Picking a fight works better when you:

a) Don't screw up your facts.

b) When you don't try to spin the screw up and look silly doing it.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Spin?

You make an erroneous statement, I correct it and it reflects on me and my position?

Picking a fight works better when you:

a) Don't screw up your facts.

b) When you don't try to spin the screw up and look silly doing it.

:laugh2:

You're the one spinning your tricycle wheels here. We've already been round and round about how you think it is dumb to have brought Bledsoe in here. You wanted Henson to start and said things like we were wasting time when we could be developing the clown.

Your memory fades when your agenda doesn't take it's course.

 

[Mkyle]

Someone should tell Mort and Clayton at ESPN this, since both are reporting that the playoff episode in NY will get Carter a 4 game suspension IF he signs with a new team.

Mort reports at least 87.864% of the wrong stuff! Clayton has only been on ESPN I think about 69.889% of the time...and they are both wrong about QC at least 104.666% of the time...QC only smoked dope at least 99.873% of the time...NOT 100.983% of the time!

Get your facts stright, blind horse...or get some glasses, because everyone knows that QC is kartr 100.00% of the time!!

 

[kartr]

Yes I can but bringing Carter back would be a move that just created too much risk IMO. As I said in another thread, I think the guy might be Vinnie. He's perfect for the role if all he's being asked to do is back up. I would be hard pressed to figure out who might be better suited if it should come to that.

What risk? If we don't sign him, we'll lose with Bledsoe and worse without him.
If we do sign him, he's the only one on the roster who can push Bledsoe, he's a better option as a backup to Bledsoe. The worse case is that we have more depth with him than without. Now how is that bad. Vinnie might not want to come back as backup, that's what he said last year, plus, he's too old. Let's say that Quincy comes back as a backup to Drew, keeps his nose clean, no pun intended and does at least as good a job for us as what he did for the Jets. Then we could resign him for a year, giving Henson another year to get ready.
Now say that Henson doesn't pan out in 2007 and we decide he's not the answer. By that time Q will just be 31 and say Bledsoe retires or gets hurt or becomes ineffective. So Q would become the starter and having had by then 4 years in this offense, could become the next Trent Green or Rich Gannon, and then we could draft another young qb for the future when Carter plays out. If we don't do this, what if Bledsoe and Henson both wash out, then we have no vet qb, no young developmental qb and no Q, then we have nothing.

 

[Waffle]

I wouldn't be opposed to QC as a veteran backup. He's better than Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake, Charlie Batch, Jay Fiedler, and these other journeyman QBs who get chance after chance.

Unfortunately, his substance abuse situation is the real problem here. I seriously doubt BP/Jerry will bring him back, but I am concerned about the less than glowing reports coming from camp about Romo and Henson.

 

[kartr]

And that would make you Carter, Kartr?

Honestly, this is crazy. This is a rumor from a message board. Nothing more IMO.

If I had Carter's skills, I certainly wouldn't be here jawing with you guys, I'd be practicing til until I was blue in the face. I wouldn't give a 'rat's patoot' about what you guys think.
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[kartr]

Do you really think Bill is going to replace Bledsoe with Quincy fricken Carter? You have got to be out of your mind or smoke dope with Quincy. Bill went after Bledsoe and he cut Carter it does not take a brain surgeon to figure it out Carter is gone not coming back end of story you may want to join the real world for a change!

You sound histerically frightened. Just who are you are trying to convince?

 

[blindzebra]

:laugh2:

You're the one spinning your tricycle wheels here. We've already been round and round about how you think it is dumb to have brought Bledsoe in here. You wanted Henson to start and said things like we were wasting time when we could be developing the clown.

Your memory fades when your agenda doesn't take it's course.

BNA says I said Henson will beat out Bledsoe, I said that was incorrect.

BNA says it is correct because I did not want us to sign Bledsoe because he's very average and that it would be in the TEAM'S BEST INTEREST LONG TERM to find out if the long term answer was on the team.

Picking a fight works better when you:

a) Don't screw up your facts.

b) Don't try to spin the screw up and look silly doing it.

c) Don't spin the spin by altering the original taunt that you screwed up.

 

[kartr]

From DC.com

One year ago - exactly 365 days from now - everything changed for the Dallas Cowboys.

With one quick decision, there were suddenly new expectations, a new outlook on the season, and without a doubt, a new quarterback.

Because on August 4, 2004, the Cowboys shocked the NFL world by cutting Quincy Carter, just four days into training camp. The team never gave a definitive reason for the move. Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said at the time the team simply was going "in a different direction" and that he was "very disappointed" things didn't work out as the starting quarterback.

One year later, things haven't changed so much.

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells said Wednesday his feelings are the same towards Carter, who led the Cowboys to a 10-6 record and a playoff berth in 2003. "I'm still the same way," Parcells said. "I'm saddened by the situation. I really was. You hate to see a kid just you know . . . You're kind of rooting for these kids and you want them to do it."

Instead, the Cowboys released Carter, likely because he violated the league's substance-abuse policy, his third offense since he joined the Cowboys in 2001. But it was more than that. The Cowboys weren't happy with his performance in the first week of practice and didn't like his attitude towards the signing of veteran Vinny Testaverde, who was forced into the starting role after Carter's release.

Whether the quarterback change had lasting effects or not, the Cowboys struggled last season, falling to a 6-10 record. Carter eventually signed with Jets as a backup, even starting two games while New York starter Chad Pennington was injured.

But when the Jets needed Carter the most last year, the week leading up to an AFC Wild Card game against San Diego and Pennington ailing again, Carter had another relapse, reportedly violating the substance-abuse policy once again.

That last strike put Carter in another rehabilitation center in Houston and the Jets did not renew his contract for this season. Carter, currently lives in St. Louis and continues to keep himself ready for another shot in the NFL. However, he is likely facing a four-game suspension if he plays in the league again.

The NFL Players Association filed a grievance against the Cowboys, on Carter's behalf. The NFLPA inquired if the Cowboys were conducting in-house drug tests, which would violate the collective bargaining agreement. Despite a year being passed, the matter has not been resolved.
But that's not the case for the current quarterback situation as the Cowboys appear set with Drew Bledsoe, a 12-year veteran who has experience not only as a starter, but four years with Parcells.

Who wrote this drivel, Mickey. There's no author's name and certainly no authencity about any of this. For crying out loud, this article says Carter started only two games for the Jets when he started 3. It also said that Pennington was still ailing and they needed him the most. Pennington didn't looked injured against the Chargers in the playoffs, so why did they need him, he only had a one year contract anyway. Where's the reference that Edwards said that Q was welcome back? This article isn't even worth the paper it was written on.

 

[kartr]

You are putting a player above the team.

A player who let his team down and then got cut.

A player who did it again in NY and did not get re-signed.

A player still without a job.

You keep hinting at it, why not just say it? You got a pair?:jerk:

Okay I'll bite, I'll say it. You're a moron. You happy now.

 

[Waffle]

BNA says I said Henson will beat out Bledsoe, I said that was incorrect.

BNA says it is correct because I did not want us to sign Bledsoe because he's very average and that it would be in the TEAM'S BEST INTEREST LONG TERM to find out if the long term answer was on the team.

Picking a fight works better when you:

a) Don't screw up your facts.

b) Don't try to spin the screw up and look silly doing it.

c) Don't spin the spin by altering the original taunt that you screwed up.

You guy's rapid fire arguments are 'spinning' my head round and round like a top.

 

[blindzebra]

Okay I'll bite, I'll say it. You're a moron. You happy now.

Still searching for a pair, I see.

 

[blindzebra]

Who wrote this drivel, Mickey. There's no author's name and certainly no authencity about any of this. For crying out loud, this article says Carter started only two games for the Jets when he started 3. It also said that Pennington was still ailing and they needed him the most. Pennington didn't looked injured against the Chargers in the playoffs, so why did they need him, he only had a one year contract anyway. Where's the reference that Edwards said that Q was welcome back? This article isn't even worth the paper it was written on.

Pennington's so hurt it's being speculated that Fiedler will start the season at QB.

DC.com, Mort and Clayton are all making it up, perhaps they all hate Carter because he's...

Nope I won't come out and say it either.:jerk:

 

[kartr]

I wouldn't go that far. Bledsoe is a much better passer IMO if given protection. QC doesn't have the mentality for the game like Bledsoe does. He's immature like our litte friend in this thread. Once a guy has a drug problem, he'll always have that problem ... too much of a risk as far as the mental aspect goes.

On the other hand, Parcells did have a relatively successful season with QC behind center.

I see your point, I just don't agree.

I'll respectfully disagree with you. How did Bledsoe's mentality against shine? How did it shine against Pittsburgh in the last game last year. Where was that maturity, poise,experience. Seriously, if QC had had a game at home like Bledsoe did and threw no tds, 1 int when he had Mcgahee running for 2 tds and 80 yards and Nate Clements returning a int for td and we still lost, the Q-haters would be using that argument as proof positive that he just doesn't have it. Contrast QC from last year, at home against the Ravens, you know the team that kicked our buts, he had 84.5 qb rating and his team lost by just 3 points;against the Browns, Hacket said he forgot to put in a blitz package, so Carter sacked 5 times in the first half; he made a half time adjustment and Carter was sacked only once in the second. Carter then leads the Jets to a come from behind victory on the road by throwing the winning td; against the Cards, again on the road, he sacked in the first quarter and knocked out of the game and came back in the third led them to 10 quick points capped by an amazing td pass to Santana Moss. Even Pennington said he wish he could throw that way. Then Hacket tries to run out the clock for quarter and a half
by running ball the rest of the way. Again Carter had a high completion percentage and qb rating and on the road at that. None of our backups can do this and not even sure Bledsoe can anymore.

 

[Waffle]

I'll respectfully disagree with you. How did Bledsoe's mentality against shine? How did it shine against Pittsburgh in the last game last year. Where was that maturity, poise,experience. Seriously, if QC had had a game at home like Bledsoe did and threw no tds, 1 int when he had Mcgahee running for 2 tds and 80 yards and Nate Clements returning a int for td and we still lost, the Q-haters would be using that argument as proof positive that he just doesn't have it. Contrast QC from last year, at home against the Ravens, you know the team that kicked our buts, he had 84.5 qb rating and his team lost by just 3 points;against the Browns, Hacket said he forgot to put in a blitz package, so Carter sacked 5 times in the first half; he made a half time adjustment and Carter was sacked only once in the second. Carter then leads the Jets to a come from behind victory on the road by throwing the winning td; against the Cards, again on the road, he sacked in the first quarter and knocked out of the game and came back in the third led them to 10 quick points capped by an amazing td pass to Santana Moss. Even Pennington said he wish he could throw that way. Then Hacket tries to run out the clock for quarter and a half
by running ball the rest of the way. Again Carter had a high completion percentage and qb rating and on the road at that. None of our backups can do this and not even sure Bledsoe can anymore.

When you say Carter (off drugs and the threat of suspension) would be a better backup option than Romo and Henson at this time, I can see your point. But saying he's better than Bledsoe, and I've got my reservations about him believe me, is a total reach.

 

[jman]

Who wrote this drivel, Mickey. There's no author's name and certainly no authencity about any of this. For crying out loud, this article says Carter started only two games for the Jets when he started 3. It also said that Pennington was still ailing and they needed him the most. Pennington didn't looked injured against the Chargers in the playoffs, so why did they need him, he only had a one year contract anyway. Where's the reference that Edwards said that Q was welcome back? This article isn't even worth the paper it was written on.

Nope...Nick Eatman did.

And I also heard on ESPN Radio on Galloways show that Jerry Jones had actually told him that he had heard about Quincy's failed drug test right after landing in Oxnard. It took them four days to decide that Quincy wasn't worth the trouble and just pain couldn't be trusted any longer. He had become a distraction even in meetings the first few days of camp last year.

Several writers have said it had been rumored for at least two years that Quincy had a drug problem. So throw out all the stats you want, confess your undying support for him, and call everyone that says something that puts a bad light on your guy a liar, but unless he was the next coming of Joe Montana, he wasn't getting another shot here in Dallas. And as it looks, most of the other teams in this league feel the same.

I'm sure somewhere down the road...sooner or later, good ol' Quincy will get another shot at the NFL. Because as bad as he was, he's is better than some of the other retreads that are roaming the league. However, he will have to prove that his past is behind him first.

 

[Waffle]

Because as bad as he was, he's is better than some of the other retreads that are roaming the league.

Take away the entire drug issue, and Quincy has much more upside as a backup QB (IMO) than journeyman guys like Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake, Chris Chandler, Charlie Batch, Rodney Peete, Shaun King, Tony Banks, Mark Brunell, etc.

Quincy must have really screwed up since a majority of these other guys still have NFL jobs for the most part.