Spags is still bitter!

[Banned_n_austin]

Yes I can but bringing Carter back would be a move that just created too much risk IMO. As I said in another thread, I think the guy might be Vinnie. He's perfect for the role if all he's being asked to do is back up. I would be hard pressed to figure out who might be better suited if it should come to that.

I agree with you here 100%.

 

[Mkyle]

Well, if you put it that way...LOL

Yeah, and the DoomsDay101 guy thought I was serious and that I'm backing kart!

By the way, what ever happened to that meeting between the NFLPA and Mr. Jones, regarding the dope addicts release? I've never heard a thing about that since....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I get it now, you're actually Spags aren't you.

And that would make you Carter, Kartr?

Honestly, this is crazy. This is a rumor from a message board. Nothing more IMO.

 

[Juke99]

I'm not sure who the person that started this rumor is referring to as his source, but it ain't me. I kinda find what he is saying hard to believe, because for one Q has never lived in a condo. He went from an apartment to a house in Las Colinas. And for 2, Quincy is still living in his home, and it is not for sale. Andre Gurode lives in a home in Frisco.

It's my understanding that Q will probably not be playing anywhere this year...and certainly not with the Boys.

Hope this clears a little of this rumor up..

I think I love you.



Thanks.

 

[kartr]

I could care less either way whether Q comes back or not. I couldn't tell from the original post what quote he meant. Actually, I took it as meaning that Parcells was dissing Q but that the rumor was saying the opposite & the poster was dismissing the rumor.

But you're absolutely correct that there have been no quotes from Tuna about bringing Q back. He hasn't even mentioned bringing in anyone else to look at (& reporters have been gingerly asking about that in the past few PCs). If there had been, it would have detonated like a nuclear bomb in the various newspapers.

There was a quote last year where he said he would not rule out bringing him back. Bill's no fool, he knows that QC has a better winning percentage than Drew and as for them others, he's already said 'THIS AINT NO PRACTICE LEAGUE'.

 

[Doomsday101]

There was a quote last year where he said he would not rule out bringing him back. Bill's no fool, he knows that QC has a better winning percentage than Drew and as for them others, he's already said 'THIS AINT NO PRACTICE LEAGUE'.

Do you really think Bill is going to replace Bledsoe with Quincy fricken Carter? You have got to be out of your mind or smoke dope with Quincy. Bill went after Bledsoe and he cut Carter it does not take a brain surgeon to figure it out Carter is gone not coming back end of story you may want to join the real world for a change!

 

[Banned_n_austin]

In all seriousness ... here would be my ideal depth at QB ..

First - cut Romo and Henson ...

1)Bledsoe

2)Testaverde

3)Kordell Stewart

4)(IF I had to)QC

In that order. I too, do not want to count on QC. But he's better than both QB's currently on our roster.

But VT is servicable and Stewart has experience and talent to at least be a 3rd stringer ... and if QC was brought in, he'd have to be the #3 guy ... I wouldn't give him the back up spot.

 

[kartr]

YOu use head to head records like they mean anything. The only faucet of sport that a head to head record matter is with starting pitchers. Quincy was on better teams than harrington. I hardly remember us playing the niners with quincy being here.

So if you don't remember something, then it didn't happen.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Yeah, and the DoomsDay101 guy thought I was serious and that I'm backing kart!

Don't mind him. He's been that way for years.

 

[jman]

Quincy was surrounded by bad coaches, first an aging rb, then no rb at all and mediocre receivers with suspect blocking by the same offensive line Parcell's is still trying to fix. Yet, we competed against playoff teams such as the Eagles,Panthers,49'ers,Giants,etc. If you don't think Quincy has talent, you don't beans about football. Qb's don't throw for over 3,000 yards against top notch defenses and a mediocre supporting cast. BP knows he messed in '03 by going with Hambrick as the feature back, that's why he tried to trade for a better one 3 times in '03. You didn't see him trying to bring another qb in mid-season. Keyshawn said on tv that he was brought to Dallas to help make Quincy a more accurate qb. The drug issue is the only one that concerns BP about QC. You'll notice that the article said that Q would probably not have to serve a 4 game suspension, that's because he only failed a drug test once and that was in Feb. of '03. Did failing that test keep him playing 16 games for us then and helping us get to the playoffs. Jerry's bogus drug test for Quincy was illegal and doesn't count because the NFl didn't conduct it.

From DC.com

One year ago - exactly 365 days from now - everything changed for the Dallas Cowboys.

With one quick decision, there were suddenly new expectations, a new outlook on the season, and without a doubt, a new quarterback.

Because on August 4, 2004, the Cowboys shocked the NFL world by cutting Quincy Carter, just four days into training camp. The team never gave a definitive reason for the move. Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said at the time the team simply was going "in a different direction" and that he was "very disappointed" things didn't work out as the starting quarterback.

One year later, things haven't changed so much.

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells said Wednesday his feelings are the same towards Carter, who led the Cowboys to a 10-6 record and a playoff berth in 2003. "I'm still the same way," Parcells said. "I'm saddened by the situation. I really was. You hate to see a kid just you know . . . You're kind of rooting for these kids and you want them to do it."

Instead, the Cowboys released Carter, likely because he violated the league's substance-abuse policy, his third offense since he joined the Cowboys in 2001. But it was more than that. The Cowboys weren't happy with his performance in the first week of practice and didn't like his attitude towards the signing of veteran Vinny Testaverde, who was forced into the starting role after Carter's release.

Whether the quarterback change had lasting effects or not, the Cowboys struggled last season, falling to a 6-10 record. Carter eventually signed with Jets as a backup, even starting two games while New York starter Chad Pennington was injured.

But when the Jets needed Carter the most last year, the week leading up to an AFC Wild Card game against San Diego and Pennington ailing again, Carter had another relapse, reportedly violating the substance-abuse policy once again.

That last strike put Carter in another rehabilitation center in Houston and the Jets did not renew his contract for this season. Carter, currently lives in St. Louis and continues to keep himself ready for another shot in the NFL. However, he is likely facing a four-game suspension if he plays in the league again.

The NFL Players Association filed a grievance against the Cowboys, on Carter's behalf. The NFLPA inquired if the Cowboys were conducting in-house drug tests, which would violate the collective bargaining agreement. Despite a year being passed, the matter has not been resolved.
But that's not the case for the current quarterback situation as the Cowboys appear set with Drew Bledsoe, a 12-year veteran who has experience not only as a starter, but four years with Parcells.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

And that would make you Carter, Kartr?

Honestly, this is crazy. This is a rumor from a message board. Nothing more IMO.

I think you're actually right. This is just a rumor. But I bet it has crossed their minds if they were to call QC what would happen.

I just see this as being a big risk for team chemistry and I don't think our team will take that risk. But I do expect something to happen before too long. And my fingers are crossed that it consists of getting Drew "High School" Henson off of our roster - for the sake of the team.

Whatever happens, I'll still be a fan. So, there's not much to worry about there.

 

[jman]

Yeah, and the DoomsDay101 guy thought I was serious and that I'm backing kart!

By the way, what ever happened to that meeting between the NFLPA and Mr. Jones, regarding the dope addicts release? I've never heard a thing about that since....

Nothing...not a thing..nodda...zippo...ziltch...zero.

 

[blindzebra]

In all seriousness ... here would be my ideal depth at QB ..

First - cut Romo and Henson ...

1)Bledsoe

2)Testaverde

3)Kordell Stewart

4)(IF I had to)QC

In that order. I too, do not want to count on QC. But he's better than both QB's currently on our roster.

But VT is servicable and Stewart has experience and talent to at least be a 3rd stringer ... and if QC was brought in, he'd have to be the #3 guy ... I wouldn't give him the back up spot.

Wow, and you claim I bring no substance.

That line up would cause mass suicides.

So you like old and average to crappy.

 

[DLK150]

It hardly sounds as though Spagnola is bitter. It sounds as though he was marking an event in the Cowboys recent history.

I have almost no doubts Quincy is a good person with potential as an NFL player, but even the best people lose their way at times. To absolve him of any responsibility in the events that preceded his release and intimate some sort of vast anti-Quincy conspiracy is foolish. If he were without fault, he would still have a place with the Jets, or maybe the Buccaneers would have taken a longer look at him. He would not be unemployed this long regardless.

It's been recanted that Parcells would not rule out bringing him back, which has been part of the backbone of the argument for his return. Still, that was before what happened with the Jets in the postseason and afterward. He brought Vinny and Drew in here because he knew he could trust them. Maybe he doesn't feel he can trust Carter no matter how he feels about him. It's not just about Quincy, it's about the effect it would or could have on the entire team.

Like it or not, regardless of whatever abilities he has, any team will look at signing him as taking a chance, and that's something a lot of teams don't want to do. If you've lost a job or been removed from one and have a work history that's blemished, it can make it harder for you to find employment unless you have extraordinary abilities. That's a simple fact.

Throwing out conjecture, conspiracies and stats won't change one other simple fact. He's going to have to gain or regain the trust of any team that signs him, and he's got no one but himself to blame for that. Hopefully, checking himself into rehab after last season is a start. You have to acknowledge and fix whatever personal flaws you may have to progress in life no matter who you are. No one else can do that for you. It's not just important from a football or employment perspective, but from a life perspective as well.

 

[jman]

In all seriousness ... here would be my ideal depth at QB ..

First - cut Romo and Henson ...

1)Bledsoe

2)Testaverde

3)Kordell Stewart

4)(IF I had to)QC

In that order. I too, do not want to count on QC. But he's better than both QB's currently on our roster.

But VT is servicable and Stewart has experience and talent to at least be a 3rd stringer ... and if QC was brought in, he'd have to be the #3 guy ... I wouldn't give him the back up spot.

If that happened I shoot myself...God please never let that happen.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Or ...

1)Bledsoe

2)Testaverde

3)Romo

I could live with that ...

 

[blindzebra]

If that happened I shoot myself...God please never let that happen.

See BNA, I told you.

"That line up would cause mass suicides."

 

[kartr]

Let it die Kartr. Let it die 50cent. Let it die fans of Carter. His time has come and gone. If it ever comes again, then you can say I told you so. Until such time, let it die.

Carter haters are traitors
They'd rather lose without him
Than win with him
They hate the only qb since Aikman
to beat the hated Eagles
They hate their only playoff qb since Aikman
even though he has a winning record
They say the defense carried him,
but last year revealed that it was the defense
that was using smoke and mirrors,
Gee, what could be the agenda
of these Cowboy fan pretendas?

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Wow, and you claim I bring no substance.

That line up would cause mass suicides.

So you like old and average to crappy.

Better than "lost" and crappy.

Hey, at least I've got the nads to throw something out there that I know I'm going to take heat for.

You, on the other hand, are busy jock-riding Henson from a 5 year old scouting report. And basing your assesment while having never seen him play other than his 1 and a half games last year.

I swear, you're just like a little kid.

Have you noticed how people like ABQ, Hos and many others are able to disagree with out acting like a 5 year old like you do?

My advice would be to take notes from them. This is going to be a long season. And I'll rub your nose in **** the whole time if you keep it up.

That's a promise, you litte flake.

 

[kartr]

I don't know, Chad had a higher qb rating with the Bears than Quincy ever did with the Boys. And his winning of the job when they competed in pre-season was pretty questionable, by a hair maybe, and I thought Hutch got stiffer competition that summer.

Last I heard, it's W's that count the most. Hutch won one out five games for the Bears, that's 1/5, Carter won 2 of 3 for the Jets, that 66%. In Dallas Hutch won 2 of 9, that's less than a third, and against the easier part of the schedule, whereas in '03, Carter won 3 of 7, that's about 45% and against mostly top competition. Carter threw 7 tds and 1400 yards in 7 games, while Hutch threw 7 tds in 9 games and 1400 yards, but against weaker teams. You do the math.