Sparano: "Taylor will not be attending any of our camps including training camp"

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superpunk;2091251 said:
I saw every Dolphins game last season. What I saw in Taylor was a player who was weak at the point of attack, weak in run support and weak in the open field, operating poorly on open field tackles. If you want a microcosm of his season, just watch his game against Dallas again.

He wants to just play pass-rusher all day long. And it showed. And he's still very good at that. But the rest of the game is lacking. All you have to do is watch him. If you haven't seen signs of decline yet, I can confidently say that you haven't seen Jason Taylor. And there's no shame in that. I wouldn't have watched the Dolphins if I didn't have to. They had almost no national games and all the games were in SD. But even in grainy SD, you can see Taylor declining.

If you can get 11 sacks playing against teams with little motivation to pass then you can play in this league for any team, period.

Declining or not that production is noteworthy and stellar. Most pure pass rushers suck at the point of attack versus the run. Teams ran right at both Charles Haley and LT because you couldn't run away from them.
 

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jterrell;2091272 said:
Who said cow-tow?

You keep your mouth shut and trade the guy then sound off. Or you sound off ONLY in the locker room/weight room and not to media buddies.

He let LT snort coke and order up women on a regular basis back when he was actually winning Super Bowls but now he is pissy over a guy being in LA to train for a dance show prior to the off-season team activities?

You have this weird vision of the situation I am not sure anyone else seems to suggests exists. BP has made it clear through his various channels in the media and now through his hand puppet coach that he is not happy with Taylor and considers him a lazy fruit.

I agree with you that BP wants to send a message to the team but he is doing so in a way that could easily backfire when all he had to do was shut up and trade Taylor. He probably could have gotten say Bobby Carpenter, Pat McQuistan and Patrick Watkins from us for the guy and we'd trade less for him than most teams. Those are all his draft picks whom he liked a lot.

Now Taylor has no value.

I'll give you a GLB example:)

I offer to trade you say Walt Harrison because he hasn't accepted a contract extension from me and I tell you I want to trade him because he is a backup and I need depth elsewhere OR I can what cut him and make no trade recouping no value?

Now in the team forum I could dogcuss the guy but it is smarter to not lower his value publicly.

Now I wouldn't swindle a zoneboys team obviously but that was a legit example of a situation where I probably should have tried to swindle someone:)

You're assuming they want to trade him. I don't think you have any basis for this. His trade value is not very high - and it's certainly nothing that would help them this year. There is no suggestion that they want him to do anything but show up and set an example for their rebuilding team. I don't see that as unreasonable - nor do I see how they've picked any fight with him. Sparano said he's been informed that Jason won't be coming to any camps. That's picking a fight?

You must have had to throw down with alot of kids in junior high who asked you how you were feeling today.
 

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superpunk;2091279 said:
You're assuming they want to trade him. I don't think you have any basis for this. His trade value is not very high - and it's certainly nothing that would help them this year. There is no suggestion that they want him to do anything but show up and set an example for their rebuilding team. I don't see that as unreasonable - nor do I see how they've picked any fight with him. Sparano said he's been informed that Jason won't be coming to any camps. That's picking a fight?

You must have had to throw down with alot of kids in junior high who asked you how you were feeling today.

It has been pretty much been known in places like Detroit that Jason Taylor is going to be traded.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/SPORTS18/80522020/1217/sports

According to the following article, trading Jason Taylor will save the Dolphins around 20 million on the salary cap:

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2007/10/would-you-trade.html

Why in the hell would Parcells just release Jason Taylor?

Even last year, Jason Taylor had already made comments regarding how he wants to be traded to a contender. It was quite obvious last year, that Miami was rebuilding and he expressed the idea implicitly that he didn't want to play for a rebuilding team. This has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with Jason wanting to play for a team that has a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl. The fact is, last year, even when JT produced 11 sacks, it is quite clear that his head wasn't into the game.
 

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khiladi;2091205 said:
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Talk about an ego-maniac...

Khaladi, for someone who has been fairly critical of Roy missing our OTA's, I have a hard time understanding why your stance on Taylor should be much different.
 

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Dodger12;2091289 said:
Khaladi, for someone who has been fairly critical of Roy missing our OTA's, I have a hard time understanding why your stance on Taylor should be much different.

Because Jason's situation and context is totally different. He wants to play for a contender and his attitude and performance has never been challenged. He was on a 1-11 team last year and they are re-building yet again. Jason is at the end of his career, not prime. He has not expressed reservations in a scheme. Jason has been one of the best if not best at his position throughout his career.

Roy is at the prime of his career and on a team that has a legitimate shot at winning it all. WHile other people stepped up last year, his performance deteriorated despite being in his prime and being allowed to play more in the box. Roy is going on vacation while he has clearly expressed his reservations in scheme. Roy's game is being questioned, and Roy had to go to the coaches to explain himself. He says he wants to play on the team and his attitude is fine. His lack of preparation is already well-known. All eyes are on him as it concerns his attitude to the game.

None of this applicable to Jason. If Roy was performing, I would give a crap if he didn't show to OTA. If his preparation wasn't questioned, I wouldn't care.
 

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jterrell;2091233 said:
Tuna was already instigating a public feud with Taylor long before any OTA ever came up.

Parcells has his minion, Sparano come out and tell the world Taylor wont be with the team???

In a thread full of complete and utter laughable Parcells bashing nonsense, this one might take the cake.

The ONLY time Parcells has ever publicly said anything about Taylor was to denounce trade rumors and say Jason Taylor will play for the Miami Dolphins in 2008 or retire. If that's "instigating a public feud", then I guess Jerry Jones was "picking a fight" with Greg Ellis when he basically said the same thing last offseason. Other than that, he's never publicly addressed the Taylor situation.

Sparano is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. If that makes him a "minion" of Parcells, then that makes Wade Phillips nothing more a "minion" of Jerry Jones, but part of the job of the head coach (or "minion" as you put it) is addressing the media as the mouthpiece of the team. When you're holding media attended OTA's, as both Wade and Sparano did yesterday, you typically address the media and answer questions. Sparano was asked a question about Taylor's status with the team and he answered it matter of factly. He didn't go into depth. He didn't personally smear him. He just stated what he's been told by Taylor's management ... that Taylor isn't going to attend any voluntary or involuntary team events (despite the Dolphins request to the contrary).
 

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khiladi;2091305 said:
Because Jason's situation and context is totally different. He wants to play for a contender and his attitude and performance has never been challenged. He has not expressed reservations in a scheme. Jason has been one of the best if not best at his position throughout his career.

Roy is going on vacation while he has clearly expressed his reservations in scheme. Roy's game is being questioned, and Roy had to go to the coaches to explain himself. He says he wants to play on the team and his attitude is fine. His lack of preparation is already well-known. All eyes are on him as it concerns his attitude to the game.

None of this applicable to Jason. If Roy was performing, I would give a crap if he didn't show to OTA. If his preparation wasn't questioned, I wouldn't care.

Got it.

Miami is going to implementing a new scheme with new coaches and players. If it was my team, I'd want Jason Taylor at the OTA's and not skipping football for "business" meetings that you could probably put off for a day or two in order to keep your multi-million dollar job day job. Since he was probably already committed to Dancing w/ the Stars, at least make an effort to show up after it's over as opposed to flying off to LA.

Either way, he didn't want to play for Miami so he got his wish.
 

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Dodger12;2091326 said:
Got it.

Miami is going to implementing a new scheme with new coaches and players. If it was my team, I'd want Jason Taylor at the OTA's and not skipping football for "business" meetings that you could probably put off for a day or two in order to keep your multi-million dollar job day job. Since he was probably already committed to Dancing w/ the Stars, at least make an effort to show up after it's over as opposed to flying off to LA.

Either way, he didn't want to play for Miami so he got his wish.

One more time for you...

Jason doesn't want to go through a re-building process.... He wants to be traded. He isn't a person who is being questioned regarding his on-field performance like Roy has.

Roy already expressed his reservations in a new scheme last year and his lack of preparation has already been questioned. He had his worst season last year as well. So he says he had reservations with the new scheme and he is doing everything to change his game, but he isn't at OTAs to deal with issues related to scheme and the learning aspect of the game.

As I stated before, the two situations are totally not even comparable.
 

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jterrell;2091195 said:
ROFL!

NFL Defensive players of the year are hardly stealing money.

Taylor had 11 sacks, an INT and scored a TD last year for goodness sakes.

Tuna might wanna win a playoff game this century before resuming his high horse antics.

Part of his job requirements, under contract, are attending mandatory events like training camps. That's why players are often fined for not attending camp ... because they're contractually obligated to attend.

If he wants to get paid 100% of his salary without thinking he can do 100% of his job requirements, I call that stealing money.

Even if you believe that Jason Taylor is the embodiment of football perfection and has nothing left to work on as a football player, I think it would still be nice gesture to his employer (who is paying him 7.5 million next season) if he would show up to mandatory events just to teach the younger players on the team how he achieved this level of flawless perfection that no one else in the history of the league has ever achieved.
 

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khiladi;2091329 said:
One more time for you...

Jason doesn't want to go through a re-building process.... He wants to be traded. He isn't a person who is being questioned regarding his on-field performance like Roy has.

Dodger12;2091326 said:
Either way, he didn't want to play for Miami so he got his wish.

Got it the first time but thanks again.
 

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superpunk;2091179 said:
IR, I realize you're just a blind Parcells homer, but don't you think it's a LITTLE odd that the VP of Football Operations and the Head Coach would be trying to do what is best for the Miami Dolphins?

Don't you think it would be wiser for them to cower to the football player and international dancing star that is Jason Taylor? I think that such a stance would definitely lay a strong foundation regarding what is expected of players in Miami, as well as help reverse the losing attitude that has been prevalent in Miami recently?

You're right. What was I thinking? He's only a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer who has rebuilt four pathetic, laughing stock franchises in his career.

Obviously he's a completely irrational lunatic who has no idea how to rebuild a team.
 

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InmanRoshi;2091342 said:
You're right. What was I thinking? He's only a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer who has rebuilt four pathetic, laughing stock franchises in his career.

Obviously he's a completely irrational lunatic who has no idea how to rebuild a team.

I'm not saying he doesn't know how to rebuild and maybe not coaching this trend will change. But if you look at his track record it has fallen off with each job.

He took the Giants to 2 SB championships. Took NE to the SB. Took the Jets to the AFC championship game. Took the Cowboys to the playoffs. He's did less in each job.

As far as I know, the only teams he rebuilt was the Jets and the Cowboys. I don't think he made the decisions in NY and he left NE to go grocery shopping.
 

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Little Jr;2091357 said:
As far as I know, the only teams he rebuilt was the Jets and the Cowboys. I don't think he made the decisions in NY and he left NE to go grocery shopping.

He did the grocery shopping in NE when the team was rebuilt. Not only did he do the grocery shopping, he hand picked the guys who went to the grocery store and made the grocery lists. New England was the worst franchise in the league, run on a shoestring budget, on the verge of being moved to St. Louis and didn't even have a functional scouting department when Parcells took over in 1993. Parcells reworked everything in that organization from the ground up. Kraft bought the team in 1994, got into a power struggle with Parcells over football decisions and eventually starting stripping away Parcells' personnel responsibilities over time. That's where the split came and the "grocery shopping" quip was made. Parcells went to the Jets and rebuilt them while the Patriots went to pot under Pete Carroll. Kraft learned his lesson, hired Parcells' right hand man to run the team and never got involved in football matters again.
 

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InmanRoshi;2091366 said:
He did the grocery shopping in NE when the team was rebuilt. Not only did he do the grocery shopping, he hand picked the guys who went to the grocery store. New England didn't even have a functional scouting department when Parcells took over. Kraft started stripping away Parcells' responsibilities when he bought the team, that's where the split came. Parcells went to the Jets and rebuilt them while the Patriots went to pot under Pete Carroll. Kraft learned his lesson, hired Parcells' right hand man and never got invovled in football matters again.

Like I said. I'm not saying he cant rebuild. It's just every stop he has declined. He went from 2 SB championships to SB loss to AFC chapionship loss to cant win a playoff game. Maybe that had to do with his coaching ability. I dont know.
 

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Like I said. I'm not saying he cant rebuild. It's just every stop he has declined. He went from 2 SB championships to SB loss to AFC chapionship loss to cant win a playoff game. Maybe that had to do with his coaching ability. I dont know.

Might also have something to do with the fact that no coach in the history of the NFL has won a Superbowl under two different franchises, and a lot of great ones have tried, so it's probably not an easy thing to do. Might also have something to do with Parcells tendency to leave soon after he's rebuilt the team and never fully realizing the fruits of his labor.
 

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InmanRoshi;2091387 said:
Might also have something to do with the fact that no coach in the history of the NFL has won a Superbowl under two different franchises, and a lot of great ones have tried, so it's probably not an easy thing to do. Might also have something to do with Parcells tendency to leave soon after he's rebuilt the team and never fully realizing the fruits of his labor.

Would be nice if he'd bother winning a playoff game with one of these "rebuilt" franchises.
 

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InmanRoshi;2091322 said:
In a thread full of complete and utter laughable Parcells bashing nonsense, this one might take the cake.

The ONLY time Parcells has ever publicly said anything about Taylor was to denounce trade rumors and say Jason Taylor will play for the Miami Dolphins in 2008 or retire. If that's "instigating a public feud", then I guess Jerry Jones was "picking a fight" with Greg Ellis when he basically said the same thing last offseason. Other than that, he's never publicly addressed the Taylor situation.

Sparano is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. If that makes him a "minion" of Parcells, then that makes Wade Phillips nothing more a "minion" of Jerry Jones, but part of the job of the head coach (or "minion" as you put it) is addressing the media as the mouthpiece of the team. When you're holding media attended OTA's, as both Wade and Sparano did yesterday, you typically address the media and answer questions. Sparano was asked a question about Taylor's status with the team and he answered it matter of factly. He didn't go into depth. He didn't personally smear him. He just stated what he's been told by Taylor's management ... that Taylor isn't going to attend any voluntary or involuntary team events (despite the Dolphins request to the contrary).

All that would be fine except it isn't true....

BP has been fighting with Taylor because JT missed the normal workout and conditioning program... not the OTAs. This press conference and the first "official" day of training JT missed are well after the feud has been underway....
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Parcells-Taylor impasse slows building process
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If the Dolphins keep defensive end Jason Taylor, above, he and Bill Parcells must repair a strained relationship.
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If the Dolphins keep defensive end Jason Taylor, above, he and Bill Parcells must repair a strained relationship.

Jason Taylor and Bill Parcells are at odds, and that should be hard to believe because these men need each other -- Taylor needing a genius football man to bring him a championship and Parcells needing a savant pass-rusher to bring him a championship defense.

And yet these men, giants in their respective NFL fields, today refuse to even pick up the phone to speak to one another, much less bridge what is an increasingly widening gap between them.

Haven't we seen this before?

Leave it to the Dolphins to be the scene of this kind of drama not once, but twice in a decade, with the Taylor-Parcells drama serving as sequel to the feud Jimmy Johnson and Dan Marino carried out almost 10 seasons ago.

That Marino and Johnson soap opera had a forgettable 62-7 ending, which is what can happen when egos that large collide even as they represent the same uniform.

And just as Marino vs. Johnson pitted a legendary player against a superstar coach in 1999, the theatrics between Parcells and Taylor also match two men of unquestionable stature -- one a great player, the other a great coach and personnel man.

It is a shame it happened once. It is wrong that it is happening again.

But that doesn't change where we are today.

Taylor today remains a Dolphin despite his wish to play elsewhere. The Dolphins today hold Taylor on their roster despite last week's efforts to shop him throughout the NFL as a valuable commodity.

''We took some calls earlier in the week,'' general manager Jeff Ireland said Sunday. ``But nothing's changed on that. Nothing's changed. We want the guy back.''

And yet there is no guarantee that will happen because of that Parcells-Taylor dynamic.

AT THE CRUX

Taylor, Miami's best player, moved to Hollywood this offseason to pursue a show-business career. He accepted an offer to appear on Dancing With The Stars without really asking Parcells for his opinion or permission.

Taylor knew his decision would keep him from Miami's offseason conditioning program, but figuring he always is in shape, he went anyway.

Parcells, hired in late December to remedy Miami's seemingly infinite maladies, didn't bother embracing Taylor when he first got the job. The men have had perhaps one 30-second conversation since December.

When he heard Taylor was not going to participate in the voluntary offseason program, Parcells was displeased, because, in his eyes, Taylor should be a leader on this team and skipping work is not the kind of leadership anyone wants.

That is the foundation of the disconnect between the men.

And, unfortunately, there is more than just a foundation to worry about.

Two weeks ago, Taylor took a break from his dancing gig and visited the Dolphins. He visited with teammates in the locker room and, after a warm reception, decided to call on Parcells.

Taylor walked into a room where Parcells was watching tape, and Parcells ignored him. He looked at Taylor and went back to his work without saying a word.

That incensed Taylor.

You can argue that Parcells is right to ignore a player who is ignoring Miami's offseason program and has asked to be traded. You can argue that Taylor is right to expect a certain amount of respect after 11 stellar NFL seasons and being ignored is being disrespected.

OUT OF THE TABLOIDS

But there is no argument the relationship's little crack is now a sizable fracture.

The relationship is such that Taylor wouldn't think of calling Parcells and asking why he wouldn't talk to him two weeks ago. The relationship is such that Parcells apparently sees no need to clear the air with Taylor.


This thing is Star magazine strange.

And the really bizarre moment is still five weeks away, when Dancing With The Stars wraps and the Dolphins hold a mandatory minicamp June 6-8.

What happens if Taylor and Parcells pass in the hallway or on the way to the practice field? It would be awkward.

Maybe it won't come to that if Taylor is traded before then, but Ireland insisted Sunday that is not going to happen.

So here is the alternative: Parcells and Taylor should call each other and talk and resolve their petty differences.

After all, following a weekend in which Parcells tried to build a new foundation by adding six players along the line of scrimmage, maybe the next logical move is to reinforce a relationship with the team's cornerstone.
 

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Little Jr;2091357 said:
I'm not saying he doesn't know how to rebuild and maybe not coaching this trend will change. But if you look at his track record it has fallen off with each job.

He took the Giants to 2 SB championships. Took NE to the SB. Took the Jets to the AFC championship game. Took the Cowboys to the playoffs. He's did less in each job.

As far as I know, the only teams he rebuilt was the Jets and the Cowboys. I don't think he made the decisions in NY and he left NE to go grocery shopping.

He didn't rebuild New England? LOL

That was a 1-15 team he took over and 4 years later he took the team to the Super Bowl -
 
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