Sparano: "Taylor will not be attending any of our camps including training camp"

[superpunk]

Jimmy was quite successful at it...

I know what you're talking about, but Jimmy never had to worry about something like this. Noone worked harder than Jimmy's stars. And early on in his career with Dallas, if some prima donna had tried to pull a stunt like this, who knows what he would have done? He gave his top players leeway, but he NEVER needed to tell Michael, Emmitt, or Troy to come in to work. These guys were (by their own admission) working out with each other all offseason.

Not going off on silly dance shows, thinking about their career after football, and skipping out on team activities.

Again, I understand what you're getting at - but I don't think the comparison is even close to being valid. I don't intend to get in an argument about why you think it sticks, either. Jimmy never had to deal with his players not working hard, and being dedicated to the team, evidencing that by ignoring the team. If he had, who knows what he would have done?

 

[jterrell]

Perfectly fine. Retire, go make some craptacular movies in Hollywood and stop stealing money from the Dolphins.

ROFL!

NFL Defensive players of the year are hardly stealing money.

Taylor had 11 sacks, an INT and scored a TD last year for goodness sakes.

Tuna might wanna win a playoff game this century before resuming his high horse antics.

 

[khiladi]

I know what you're talking about, but Jimmy never had to worry about something like this. Noone worked harder than Jimmy's stars. And early on in his career with Dallas, if some prima donna had tried to pull a stunt like this, who knows what he would have done? He gave his top players leeway, but he NEVER needed to tell Michael, Emmitt, or Troy to come in to work. These guys were (by their own admission) working out with each other all offseason.

Emmitt Smith held out, meaning he never came into work. He was still under contract.

Since when did Jason Taylor not work hard? His whole career, he has been at the top of his game. When has Taylor's work ethic ever been questioned? To even make try and make an 'example' out of Jason Taylor speaks more of Parcells' ego than Taylor.

The fact is, Jimmy would have never made his star players, which are pretty much the calibre of a Jason Taylor, an example like this. He catered towards the antics of Charles Haley.

 

[bbgun]

I've always wondered why you never see these holdouts in baseball. It seems to be unique to the NFL. There must be some MLB players who are unhappy with their contracts, yet they never skip spring training or reg season games. Must be a leverage thing.

 

[jterrell]

IR, I realize you're just a blind Parcells homer, but don't you think it's a LITTLE odd that the VP of Football Operations and the Head Coach would be trying to do what is best for the Miami Dolphins?

Don't you think it would be wiser for them to cower to the football player and international dancing star that is Jason Taylor? I think that such a stance would definitely lay a strong foundation regarding what is expected of players in Miami, as well as help reverse the losing attitude that has been prevalent in Miami recently?

I certainly think that such preferential treatment would go a long way in reversing the fortunes of the Dolphins. You've got to treat Jason Taylor like a man, by letting him do whatever the hell he wants. That's the only way to handle this successfully, IMO.

The problem is Parcells has an odd sense of what is best for a franchise.

Picking openly and ugly fights with the teams best player over the last decade and including right now makes sense?

Taylor needed to be traded obviously so a simple we will work to trade Taylor would have been sufficient instead of all the Tuna extra... just meant to let everyone in Miami know its his way or the highway.

As BP said... that stuff only works when you are winning and the Dolphins won't be winning anytime soon.

 

[jterrell]

I've always wondered why you never see these holdouts in baseball. It seems to be unique to the NFL. There must be some MLB players who are unhappy with their contracts, yet they never skip spring training or reg season games. Must be a leverage thing.

baseball contracts are FULLY guaranteed.
there is salary arbitration.

totally different situations.

an nfl contract is like a normal job, they can fire you at any time and you can ask for more money or quit at anytime.

 

[khiladi]

The problem is Parcells has an odd sense of what is best for a franchise.

Picking openly and ugly fights with the teams best player over the last decade and including right now makes sense?

Taylor needed to be traded obviously so a simple we will work to trade Taylor would have been sufficient instead of all the Tuna extra... just meant to let everyone in Miami know its his way or the highway.

As BP said... that stuff only works when you are winning and the Dolphins won't be winning anytime soon.

Talk about an ego-maniac...

 

[Kilyin]

And early on in his career with Dallas, if some prima donna had tried to pull a stunt like this, who knows what he would have done?

As has already been mentioned what did Jimmy do when Emmitt held out those two games? That's right, nothing.

Jimmy wasn't dumb enough to start trouble with his key players. Do you think he was pleased that Michael Irvin was doing coke and hanging out with prostitutes, when he wasn't stabbing teammates in the neck with scissors?

Jimmy sent his message by booting the scrubs and fodder. Some might call it regular season roster churning.

 

[superpunk]

The problem is Parcells has an odd sense of what is best for a franchise.

Picking openly and ugly fights with the teams best player over the last decade and including right now makes sense?

Taylor needed to be traded obviously so a simple we will work to trade Taylor would have been sufficient instead of all the Tuna extra... just meant to let everyone in Miami know its his way or the highway.

As BP said... that stuff only works when you are winning and the Dolphins won't be winning anytime soon.

There is no fight-picking going on. The Dolphins want their highest profile employee to be in camp, setting the example for the rest of the team. He's not. Clearly that's going to be a problem for a regime that is trying to change the direction of a franchise. I can't think of a worse message to send to a young, rebuilding team than "We want you to dedicate yourself, work hard, and be accountable - unless you're Jason ****** Taylor. Then you can do whatever the hell you want."

That would be incredibly stupid and spineless. And that's two words you can't use to describe the Dolphins current management.

 

[superpunk]

As has already been mentioned what did Jimmy do when Emmitt held out those two games? That's right, nothing.

Jimmy wasn't dumb enough to start trouble with his key players. Do you think he was pleased that Michael Irvin was doing coke and hanging out with prostitutes, when he wasn't stabbing teammates in the neck with scissors?

Jimmy sent his message by booting the scrubs and fodder. Some might call it regular season roster churning.

I'm not sure what part of my post was difficult to understand, but you and khiladi are obviously having a whale of a time with it. Read all the words. It will help you. This is not a contract dispute.

 

[Kilyin]

This is not a contract dispute.

Doesn't matter, it's a perfect example of a coach or management making concessions for star players that they wouldn't make for some second string nobody.

And you guys act as if Jason Taylor is the only player in the league missing OTAs. Roy Williams or Ken Hamlin ring a bell? I don't see Wade on the television announcing Roy and Kenny can't come to minicamp.

 

[bbgun]

baseball contracts are FULLY guaranteed.
there is salary arbitration.

I realize that. But there must be some players under contract who feel dramatically underpaid and are 1) not eligible for arbitration and 2) are years away from free agency. Yet they don't hold out.

 

[jterrell]

There is no fight-picking going on. The Dolphins want their highest profile employee to be in camp, setting the example for the rest of the team. He's not. Clearly that's going to be a problem for a regime that is trying to change the direction of a franchise. I can't think of a worse message to send to a young, rebuilding team than "We want you to dedicate yourself, work hard, and be accountable - unless you're Jason ****** Taylor. Then you can do whatever the hell you want."

That would be incredibly stupid and spineless. And that's two words you can't use to describe the Dolphins current management.

Tuna was already instigating a public feud with Taylor long before any OTA ever came up.

Should Tuna expect Taylor to be in Miami all off-season training with the team? Perhaps. But does that mean he gets his way or acts destructively by lowering Taylor's value on the market?

Parcells has his minion, Sparano come out and tell the world Taylor wont be with the team???

Where is the sense in any of that?

BP has a spine for sure but he also had a hard head and that makes at times for a soft bottom.

BP is hurting the Dolphins here not helping. Taylor is still a top 10 pass rusher in the NFL and if he goes to the friggin eagles/skins I am gonna puke and want to punch Parcells in his fat head.

With Ware, Ellis and Spencer we are on the few teams in the NFL not slobbering over the prospect of adding Taylor.

But the mighty 1 win Dolphins can just brush him aside because he wants to play tiny dancer in the off-season?

 

[jterrell]

I realize that. But there must be some players under contract who feel dramatically underpaid and are 1) not eligible for arbitration and 2) are years away from free agency. Yet they don't hold out.

they are under rules to not hold out basically.

the agreement with the players association and what not has rules you follow.

contracts do not get renegotiated.

what you sign you live with. for both sides of the deal.

extensions can be handed down or buyouts settled but essentially no tearing up deals.

 

[Kilyin]

But the mighty 1 win Dolphins can just brush him aside because he wants to play tiny dancer in the off-season?

Hold me closer, Tony Danza. Count the headlights on the hiiiighway.

 

[superpunk]

Tuna was already instigating a public feud with Taylor long before any OTA ever came up.

No he wasn't. That's a myth.

But the mighty 1 win Dolphins can just brush him aside because he wants to play tiny dancer in the off-season?

When you're trying to change the direction and attitude of a horrible team, cow-towing to divas is the last thing you want to do. His talent level is irrelevant, here. He is setting a bad example for a franchise that desperately needs players who are willing to work as hard as the players in Dallas. You don't establish that by allowing a declining Jason Taylor to do whatever he wants.

 

[Kilyin]

No he wasn't. That's a myth.


When you're trying to change the direction and attitude of a horrible team, cow-towing to divas is the last thing you want to do. His talent level is irrelevant, here. He is setting a bad example for a franchise that desperately needs players who are willing to work as hard as the players in Dallas. You don't establish that by allowing a declining Jason Taylor to do whatever he wants.

I don't know who the bigger Parcells fanboy is, you or Inman.

You keep saying Jason Taylor is declining, he isn't. Show any evidence of that whatsoever. He's aging, but he's shown no signs of decline yet. You say he's a diva, but when has he ever made any noise during the offseason? I guess it's a coincidence this all started happening now, with Parcells in the mix, who just so happens to have a history of cutting/trading star players wherever he goes.

Jason Taylor has been the only bright spot for the Dolphins for many, many years. (And I might include Zach Thomas in there, too)

In a recent interview, Taylor said he was unhappy he had talked "probably less than a minute each" with Parcells and new general manager Jeff Ireland, which he perceived as silent treatment. But the 33-year-old Taylor said he still planned to play this season.

"I want to win period, and I would love to win in Miami," he said Saturday from Los Angeles. "There are a lot of things out here going on, and a lot of opportunities coming up, but the plan is to play. Football is still my priority. I still have a passion to play football."

Yep, sounds like things have been great between them all offseason.

 

[rodd94]

Maybe if they include dancing in the OTA's he might show up.

 

[superpunk]

I don't know who the bigger Parcells fanboy is, you or Inman.

You keep saying Jason Taylor is declining, he isn't. Show any evidence of that whatsoever. He's aging, but he's shown no signs of decline yet.

I saw every Dolphins game last season. What I saw in Taylor was a player who was weak at the point of attack, weak in run support and weak in the open field, operating poorly on open field tackles. If you want a microcosm of his season, just watch his game against Dallas again.

He wants to just play pass-rusher all day long. And it showed. And he's still very good at that. But the rest of the game is lacking. All you have to do is watch him. If you haven't seen signs of decline yet, I can confidently say that you haven't seen Jason Taylor. And there's no shame in that. I wouldn't have watched the Dolphins if I didn't have to. They had almost no national games and all the games were in SD. But even in grainy SD, you can see Taylor declining.

 

[jterrell]

No he wasn't. That's a myth.


When you're trying to change the direction and attitude of a horrible team, cow-towing to divas is the last thing you want to do. His talent level is irrelevant, here. He is setting a bad example for a franchise that desperately needs players who are willing to work as hard as the players in Dallas. You don't establish that by allowing a declining Jason Taylor to do whatever he wants.

Who said cow-tow?

You keep your mouth shut and trade the guy then sound off. Or you sound off ONLY in the locker room/weight room and not to media buddies.

He let LT snort coke and order up women on a regular basis back when he was actually winning Super Bowls but now he is pissy over a guy being in LA to train for a dance show prior to the off-season team activities?

You have this weird vision of the situation I am not sure anyone else seems to suggests exists. BP has made it clear through his various channels in the media and now through his hand puppet coach that he is not happy with Taylor and considers him a lazy fruit.

I agree with you that BP wants to send a message to the team but he is doing so in a way that could easily backfire when all he had to do was shut up and trade Taylor. He probably could have gotten say Bobby Carpenter, Pat McQuistan and Patrick Watkins from us for the guy and we'd trade less for him than most teams. Those are all his draft picks whom he liked a lot.

Now Taylor has no value.

I'll give you a GLB example

I offer to trade you say Walt Harrison because he hasn't accepted a contract extension from me and I tell you I want to trade him because he is a backup and I need depth elsewhere OR I can what cut him and make no trade recouping no value?

Now in the team forum I could dogcuss the guy but it is smarter to not lower his value publicly.

Now I wouldn't swindle a zoneboys team obviously but that was a legit example of a situation where I probably should have tried to swindle someone