Spears not being Tendered... my thoughts !!

[Randy White]

I have a feeling that if we lost Spears to another team, Jared Odrick would be our #1 target in the draft. Supposedly, we already like him a lot.

I'd take that, as long as Iupati is gone, and dance my way to SoBe.. Although Odrick would be bit under utilized as a 3-4 DE, he's freakishly explosive for a man his size.

 

[Randy White]

I have a feeling Jerry and the Cowboys are DARING Parcells to go for Spears.

I don't think " daring " is the proper term because, in all honesty, Jerrah and Parcells have a good working relationship so all they need to talk to each other and workout a deal. The Dullphins are looking for some D-line help, that's for sure, and Spears would fit down here nicely. I just don't know if the 2nd round might be a bit too high for them.

We'll see..

 

[dcfanatic]

Why would the title of this thread not be changed since it's inaccurate?

 

[dallasfaniac]

If nothing else, I think the tender is a signal to other teams that Spears is available. I wonder how Spears reacts to the lower tender.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'd take that, as long as Iupati is gone, and dance my way to SoBe.. Although Odrick would be bit under utilized as a 3-4 DE, he's freakishly explosive for a man his size.

He's almost the exact same size as Spears.

Odrick is 6'5" 304 lbs, Spears is 6'4" 309 lbs.

Odrick is meaner. I like Spears but would not be sad if we replaced him with Odrick. I'd prefer to keep Spears and draft the BPA.

 

[TheSport78]

I don't think " daring " is the proper term because, in all honesty, Jerrah and Parcells have a good working relationship so all they need to talk to each other and workout a deal. The Dullphins are looking for some D-line help, that's for sure, and Spears would fit down here nicely. I just don't know if the 2nd round might be a bit too high for them.

We'll see..

The question the Cowboys have to ask themselves is, how far of a dropoff is there between Marcus Spears and Stephen Bowen, if any at all? If they don't think there's a big difference there, they would be happy to lose Spears for a 2nd round pick, which would give us more ammo in the draft to get whoever we wanted.

 

[Randy White]

The question the Cowboys have to ask themselves is, how far of a dropoff is there between Marcus Spears and Stephen Bowen, if any at all? If they don't think there's a big difference there, they would be happy to lose Spears for a 2nd round pick, which would give us more ammo in the draft to get whoever we wanted.

The answer to that question is in the tender. Obviously they don't think there's a drop off, or much of one, or else he would have been tender a much higher pick.


I agree with them.

 

[Randy White]

He's almost the exact same size as Spears.
Odrick is 6'5" 304 lbs, Spears is 6'4" 309 lbs. Odrick is meaner. I like Spears but would not be sad if we replaced him with Odrick. I'd prefer to keep Spears and draft the BPA.

I think Odrick is a better player than Spears. At the very least, he's a better athlete.

 

[ThreeandOut]

The question the Cowboys have to ask themselves is, how far of a dropoff is there between Marcus Spears and Stephen Bowen, if any at all? If they don't think there's a big difference there, they would be happy to lose Spears for a 2nd round pick, which would give us more ammo in the draft to get whoever we wanted.

Stephen Jones was talking recently about there being other young players that would surprise you if they got the chance to play...Bowen may be one of those players.

 

[lwehlers]

i have a question. i read that if no one signs spears before june 1st and spears does not sign his tender offer does that make him a free agent after june 1st. since he was tendered the oringinal draft pick tender. so in reality spears will not be playing for the cowboys anymore. unless he signs a deal with us at the start of free agency.

 

[gimmesix]

The question the Cowboys have to ask themselves is, how far of a dropoff is there between Marcus Spears and Stephen Bowen, if any at all? If they don't think there's a big difference there, they would be happy to lose Spears for a 2nd round pick, which would give us more ammo in the draft to get whoever we wanted.

The problem I see is that neither Bowen nor Hatcher is near the run plug that Spears is. Bowen would get more pressure when the play turns out to be a pass, but I think teams would run at him because I have not seen any consistency in his ability to hold his ground.

I doubt the Cowboys would be happy to lose Spears, but the compensation would give them a chance to cover the loss.

 

[gimmesix]

i have a question. i read that if no one signs spears before june 1st and spears does not sign his tender offer does that make him a free agent after june 1st. since he was tendered the oringinal draft pick tender. so in reality spears will not be playing for the cowboys anymore. unless he signs a deal with us at the start of free agency.

No, he becomes exclusive rights with no opportunity to negotiate with anyone but Dallas.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think Odrick is a better player than Spears. At the very least, he's a better athlete.

His combine measurements are pretty much the same as Spears were. Spears is a solid NFL starter and Odrick hasn't done a thing in the NFL.

 

[lwehlers]

Stephen Jones was talking recently about there being other young players that would surprise you if they got the chance to play...Bowen may be one of those players.

well it looks like bowen will be the starter and a rookie or a cheaper veteran down the line will spell bowen.

 

[Eskimo]

I don't see a major change happening in the lineup until Hatcher or Bowen prove they can play the run as well as Spears does.

 

[KingintheNorth]

well it looks like bowen will be the starter and a rookie or a cheaper veteran down the line will spell bowen.

Bowen came in for Olshansky on pass rushing downs. Hatcher was/is Spears' back-up.

Not saying Bowen can't play the other side but I think he is very effective in the role he has now. He rushes from the side Ware usually lines up on. If a team overcompensates for Ware, Bowen was good at getting to or close to the QB.

 

[TheSport78]

"The answer to that question is in the tender. Obviously they don't think there's a drop off, or much of one, or else he would have been tender a much higher pick.


I agree with them."

"Stephen Jones was talking recently about there being other young players that would surprise you if they got the chance to play...Bowen may be one of those players."

"The problem I see is that neither Bowen nor Hatcher is near the run plug that Spears is. Bowen would get more pressure when the play turns out to be a pass, but I think teams would run at him because I have not seen any consistency in his ability to hold his ground.

I doubt the Cowboys would be happy to lose Spears, but the compensation would give them a chance to cover the loss."

I agree I do think Bowen is one of those players who can step up. Spears is pretty solid against the run, but he really doesn't fit with Wade's style of defense. Even in San Diego, Wade had DE's who could rush the passer as well, and Spears doesn't do that consistently. Bowen fits more of the mold, and if we draft Odrick, he could be a solid player for us also.

 

[Randy White]

i have a question. i read that if no one signs spears before june 1st and spears does not sign his tender offer does that make him a free agent after june 1st. .

No. Spears has until the 10th week of the season to sign the contract with the Cowboys. After the 10th week, if he's not on a roster, his service time clock stops.

In reality, he'll sign the offer, probably after testing the market and finding out nobody is interested in signing him. No way he's passing on over 1 million dollars of guaranteed money.

 

[ThreeandOut]

The problem I see is that neither Bowen nor Hatcher is near the run plug that Spears is. Bowen would get more pressure when the play turns out to be a pass, but I think teams would run at him because I have not seen any consistency in his ability to hold his ground.

I doubt the Cowboys would be happy to lose Spears, but the compensation would give them a chance to cover the loss.

If I'm not mistaken, I think Spears, Bowen and Hatcher are all unrestricted free agents next year. So it's likely you will lose at least one of them, most likely Spears since he will command the highest price on the market.

So if you are likely going to lose him next year, then you might as well get compensated this year and develop his replacements through the young players on the roster and/or a draft pick.

 

[Randy White]

His combine measurements are pretty much the same as Spears were. Spears is a solid NFL starter and Odrick hasn't done a thing in the NFL.

'cept this is as good as Spears is going to be. He's not going to get much better, if at all.

Odrick's upside is much higher. He plays with more intensity than Spears does, and going just by the eye test, once again, I think Odrick is a much better athlete.