Spears not being Tendered... my thoughts !!

[Beast_from_East]

No tender for Spears tells me that the team thinks he is a jag, nothing special.


How pissed is Spears going to be that his backups are making more money than him???

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

'cept this is as good as Spears is going to be. He's not going to get much better, if at all.

Odrick's upside is much higher. He plays with more intensity than Spears does, and going just by the eye test, once again, I think Odrick is a much better athlete.

eyeball test or not they ran the same they lifted the same etc. his lowside is also much worse.

 

[Gzus]

Not a bad move by the Boys, it was smart. They not paying him much if he stays and if he leaves they get a 2nd.....

 

[dgr81]

spears was tendered with 2nd round compensation.

not sure what this thread is about.

 

[RS12]

I have the opposite point of view. I think they put a reasonable tender on Spears because they are hoping another team (Miami) bites and they get a second for him. No lose situation.

 

[gimmesix]

If I'm not mistaken, I think Spears, Bowen and Hatcher are all unrestricted free agents next year. So it's likely you will lose at least one of them, most likely Spears since he will command the highest price on the market.

So if you are likely going to lose him next year, then you might as well get compensated this year and develop his replacements through the young players on the roster and/or a draft pick.

I don't know if the team looks at it like that. They essentially tendered all three of them second-round offers, although Spears was original pick (which was the first round).

I don't think Dallas did that expecting to lose any of them, but just preparing to get something in case it happens. The Cowboys used the system that's in place which allows them time to work out long-term contracts if they want, get guaranteed service from good players for a year while they continue to try to get better at the position or get guaranteed compensation.

Reading into it that Dallas is preparing to lose Spears and develop his replacements by tendering all three just isn't justified. Of course, I'm not sure that's what you meant.

 

[KingintheNorth]

but how do they give a lower tender (dollar amount) to the starter than the two back-up's (Bowen and Hatcher)??

The only thing that makes sense to me is that they intentionally gave Spears a low tender in the hope someone would sign him. Why risk upsetting the player for $530,000? If they wanted to keep Spears and keep him happy why not just give him the exact same tender Hatcher and Bowen got?

 

[Randy White]

eyeball test or not they ran the same they lifted the same etc. his lowside is also much worse.

Ratliff's low side is much worse than Dan Wilkerson's.. What's that have to do with football ?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ratliff's low side is much worse than Dan Wilkerson's.. What's that have to do with football ?

Because Odrick is not in the NFL is only a projection. You are touting him as the second coming and saying that his ceiling is higher than what Spears is now but the flip side of the coin is also true.

Odrick is a good prospect but with what we have now I wouldnt want him unless he fell to the second.

 

[gimmesix]

but how do they give a lower tender (dollar amount) to the starter than the two back-up's (Bowen and Hatcher)??

The only thing that makes sense to me is that they intentionally gave Spears a low tender in the hope someone would sign him. Why risk upsetting the player for $530,000? If they wanted to keep Spears and keep him happy why not just give him the exact same tender Hatcher and Bowen got?

They didn't give a lower tender. By giving him the original pick tender, Dallas essentially gave Spears the same second-round tender as Bowen and Hatcher at a lesser cost.

No use spending extra money to essentially do the same thing. It makes good business sense.

The idea is to do what's necessary to insure you get to keep the player's rights or get good compensation from him. Dallas had no reason to put a second-round tender on Spears to do that.

 

[MONT17]

for 5 years I had to listen to tons of ppl on this board talk about how great Spears was... Spears was the QUincy Carter of this board for some time!!!!




some ppl were wrong again!

 

[Randy White]

Because Odrick is not in the NFL is only a projection. You are touting him as the second coming and saying that his ceiling is higher than what Spears is now but the flip side of the coin is also true..

So I'm touting him as the second coming, huh ?

I didn't realized that Spears ( or is it just his " low side " ? ) is sssssssoooooooo good that saying Odrick is better it automatically makes him " the second coming ".

Thank goodness the Cowboys don't have the same view about Spears.

Odrick is a good prospect but with what we have now I wouldnt want him unless he fell to the second

That's YOUR opinion. Mine is different.

 

[DeepBleu]

spears was a first round draft choice, shouldn't his original tender yied a first rounder if he signs elsewhere?

 

[Hoofbite]

spears was a first round draft choice, shouldn't his original tender yied a first rounder if he signs elsewhere?

I think Adam is probably taking a look into it but the theory is Spears would get a 2nd round tender because Dallas offered a higher tender to another player.

I don't know how the hell it works.

 

[ThreeandOut]

I don't know if the team looks at it like that. They essentially tendered all three of them second-round offers, although Spears was original pick (which was the first round).

I don't think Dallas did that expecting to lose any of them, but just preparing to get something in case it happens. The Cowboys used the system that's in place which allows them time to work out long-term contracts if they want, get guaranteed service from good players for a year while they continue to try to get better at the position or get guaranteed compensation.

Reading into it that Dallas is preparing to lose Spears and develop his replacements by tendering all three just isn't justified. Of course, I'm not sure that's what you meant.

To clarify, it's unlikely Dallas is able to keep all three DE's next year once they become unrestricted free agents. Of the three, Spears is the most likely to receive the high dollar, Canty like offer, but I'm not sure Dallas is willing to pay that kind of money for him.

The Cowboys know that another team may very well be enticed by the 2nd round tender on Spears and would be willing for him to leave this year for that compensation, particularly if they believe one of their young players can step into that role this year. The extra pick also gives them more flexibility to add another DE through the draft.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think Adam is probably taking a look into it but the theory is Spears would get a 2nd round tender because Dallas offered a higher tender to another player.

I don't know how the hell it works.

Yea, I am confused as well about that. How can original pick compensation for a guy drafted in the 1st round turn out to be a 2nd rounder???

 

[AdamJT13]

I think Adam is probably taking a look into it but the theory is Spears would get a 2nd round tender because Dallas offered a higher tender to another player.

The NFL officially lists Spears' compensation as a first-round pick.

 

[Woods]

The NFL officially lists Spears' compensation as a first-round pick.

Thanks, Adam.

If that's the case (and unless the Cowboys try to engineer a trade or something), it looks like Spears will be coming back in 2010.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yea, I am confused as well about that. How can original pick compensation for a guy drafted in the 1st round turn out to be a 2nd rounder???

The CBA includes a clause that says if a team gave a former first-round pick an "original draft" tender and gave a player who was drafted lower than the first round a first-round tender, then the compensation for the former first-round pick would be only a second-round pick.

The question was whether offering Miles Austin the first-and-third tender would reduce Spears' compensation to a second-rounder. A literal reading of the CBA indicates that it would not (had we tendered Austin at only the first-round level, then it would lower the compensation for Spears). It's possible that the first-and-third tender could be implied to have the same effect, but -- unless the NFL is incorrect about the compensation for Spears -- that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Thanks, Adam.

If that's the case (and unless the Cowboys try to engineer a trade or something), it looks like Spears will be coming back in 2010.

Yea, I really dont see anybody giving up a 1st for Spears either. Looks like he is going to be back for 2010.


Thanks for the info Adam.