Spears not being Tendered... my thoughts !!

[Beast_from_East]

The CBA includes a clause that says if a team gave a former first-round pick an "original draft" tender and gave a player who was drafted lower than the first round a first-round tender, then the compensation for the former first-round pick would be only a second-round pick.

The question was whether offering Miles Austin the first-and-third tender would reduce Spears' compensation to a second-rounder. A literal reading of the CBA indicates that it would not (had we tendered Austin at only the first-round level, then it would lower the compensation for Spears). It's possible that the first-and-third tender could be implied to have the same effect, but -- unless the NFL is incorrect about the compensation for Spears -- that doesn't seem to be the case.

So if we tendered Austin at just a first, the compensation for Spears is a 2nd. However, if we tendered Austin at a first and third, the compensation for Spears becomes a 1st rounder.

So by spending the extra money on Austin between the first and third and just a first only, we can increase the compensation we receive from Spears from a 2nd rounder to a 1st rounder.

Interesting.................thanks for the info Adam.

 

[AdamJT13]

So if we tendered Austin at just a first, the compensation for Spears is a 2nd. However, if we tendered Austin at a first and third, the compensation for Spears becomes a 1st rounder.

So by spending the extra money on Austin between the first and third and just a first only, we can increase the compensation we receive from Spears from a 2nd rounder to a 1st rounder.

Apparently, that's the case.

 

[CCBoy]

Apparently, that's the case.

There are still some questions even here...as I have read that he received a tender offer of $1.226 M. Bowen and Hatcher were tendered 'higher' offers, at 2nd rounders, with salaries of $1.759M. Both thus being tendered at higher and higher paying salaries...not being starters. Something seems wrong in implications here.

 

[burmafrd]

You can tell lawyers wrote all that. Makes no sense at all.

 

[Dough Boy]

There are still some questions even here...as I have read that he received a tender offer of $1.226 M. Bowen and Hatcher were tendered 'higher' offers, at 2nd rounders, with salaries of $1.759M. Both thus being tendered at higher and higher paying salaries...not being starters. Something seems wrong in implications here.

Spears was given the original draft choice tender, valued at $1.226 million, but he will likely make more money, under a provision that would pay him 110 percent of his 2009 salary. Per DC.com...

He will still make more than his backups.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Id rather take a 2nd rounder than have Spears back.

 

[dbair1967]

With Spears not being Tendered my thinking is Dallas is hoping he gets snatched by someone. I'm thinking the way it works if they loose him than they can sign a Free Agent other than the one they can for 5.5 mil.

Hey, great call!

 

[dbair1967]

Id rather take a 2nd rounder than have Spears back.

Spears isnt spectacular, but he does have a role here and does his job pretty well. No guarantee we'll get that from somebody's 2nd rd pick, if thats even what the comepnsation is. It appears they believe they'd get a 1st rounder for him, and nobody is going to giver p a 1st to get him. Now we could agree to trade him for less than that, but I'd rather see him stay, especially if it doesnt take a break the bank deal to keep him longterm or if he will play under the 1yr tender.

 

[Hostile]

Id rather take a 2nd rounder than have Spears back.

Not me. I am hoping we sign him to a deal similar to Igor and keep our DL intact.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

With Spears not being Tendered my thinking is Dallas is hoping he gets snatched by someone. I'm thinking the way it works if they loose him than they can sign a Free Agent other than the one they can for 5.5 mil.

I was thinking the same thing. with cromartie and boldin being offered for a 3rd rounder, who will be paying a 2nd for a 3-4 DE? the one team that comes to mind is Miami, with the BP connection, but they have a high 2nd rounder, so I doubt if they part with that. and if they will...AWSOME

 

[igtmfo]

Is there a before-the-draft deadline for other teams to make offers to our tendered players?

If not, the required picks teams give up would come from the following draft? ... Or if a team wanted to kinda screw us and make a greater-than-tender offer for Miles Austin the morning of the draft, we'd have to make a huge decision at the last minute .... ???

Thanks in advance to wise men on this board.

 

[Hoofbite]

You can tell lawyers wrote all that. Makes no sense at all.

:laugh2:

 

[igtmfo]

April 15 is deadline for players to sign offer sheets with other teams, a week before the draft.

I answered my own question. I either feel very smart or very foolish.

 

[CCBoy]

:laugh2:

Oh, they were probably well aware of the role of arbitrators in the actual securing of 'rights' when marched through process.

 

[AdamJT13]

Spears was given the original draft choice tender, valued at $1.226 million, but he will likely make more money, under a provision that would pay him 110 percent of his 2009 salary. Per DC.com...

He will still make more than his backups.

Spears' 2009 Paragraph 5 salary was only $735,000, so 110 percent of that would be $808,500. The original draft round tender is the higher of the two, so he'd make $1.226 million.

The team's motivation for giving him that tender MIGHT be to entice him to sign a reasonable contract extension. His choices are to make very little (relatively speaking) this season, then hope for a big payday next season if there is no lockout (or nothing if there is one), or he can make several times that just from his signing bonus and earn some security for his future. Choosing the latter might be wisest -- if the team offers it to him.

 

[Hostile]

Spears' 2009 Paragraph 5 salary was only $735,000, so 110 percent of that would be $808,500. The original draft round tender is the higher of the two, so he'd make $1.226 million.

The team's motivation for giving him that tender MIGHT be to entice him to sign a reasonable contract extension. His choices are to make very little (relatively speaking) this season, then hope for a big payday next season if there is no lockout (or nothing if there is one), or he can make several times that just from his signing bonus and earn some security for his future. Choosing the latter might be wisest -- if the team offers it to him.

Is your hairstyle a flat top? Because you have got one serious level head. I say that as a compliment, not a jab. I can always count on you for solid reasoning behind a move.

 

[AdamJT13]

I was thinking the same thing. with cromartie and boldin being offered for a 3rd rounder, who will be paying a 2nd for a 3-4 DE?

The thing about Cromartie and Boldin is that both of them are in the final year of their contract. The Jets made the trade with no guarantee of having Cromartie for more than one season. The same might be true for whichever team ends up with Boldin. But any team that signs an RFA to an offer sheet can have that player for however long the contract runs.

 

[gimmesix]

The NFL officially lists Spears' compensation as a first-round pick.

Yeah, I saw this on the DMN blog today:

Cowboys would receive first-round pick for Marcus Spears
3:18 PM Fri, Mar 05, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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I want to attempt to clear up some confusion on the tender the Cowboys made to Marcus Spears and what they would receive as compensation if he were allowed to leave.

And some of it has to do with Miles Austin.

The Cowboys put the "original round" tender on Spears of $1.226 million on Thursday. I stated previously that the Cowboys would receive only a second-round pick in return if they chose not to match an offer.

Not so fast, my friends.

That would be true had the Cowboys placed only the "first-round" tender on Miles Austin, who was undrafted in 2006. Because the Cowboys put the "first- and third round" tender on the undrafted Austin, the Cowboys would actually receive a No. 1 pick in return for Spears, according to the NFL.

This makes it an even greater call by Dallas. For less money than the second-round tender, the Cowboys essentially put a first-round tender on Spears.