CFZ Speculation - 5 players that the Cowboys should look at trading

[McKDaddy]

Armstrong is not getting beat out by either.

Exactly. It will come down to not wanting to lose a young player that could become something & is cheap. Unfortunately, rosters aren't always built on who earned a spot. Other considerations come into play.

 

[McKDaddy]

Well if you were a GM of any other team which guys are you trading for? Correct none of them. You might be willing to give up a late pick for Armstrong but only if injuries pile up.

Can't be 100% certain of that though. All it takes is a team who missed out during FA & draft or a player they were counting on is unavailable. Good GM's are always trying to cover a weakness and late round picks wouldn't stop someone if they felt it was the best way to keep the team from having a glaring weakness.

 

[Mr_437]

What’s the hype on Bell? I haven’t seen anything from him to say he’s a starter…..

Hype? "could be" was used. If Hooker and Kearse are not re-signed who is left...Mukuamu n Bell. So, why let go of depth that the staff has been developing?

 

[charron]

Can't be 100% certain of that though. All it takes is a team who missed out during FA & draft or a player they were counting on is unavailable. Good GM's are always trying to cover a weakness and late round picks wouldn't stop someone if they felt it was the best way to keep the team from having a glaring weakness.

Lets say your a GM and you need a DE. How much you giving up to go get armstrong for 1 year then you gotta pay him or let him walk? Or you could sign a guy like Tak who is on the PS without losing draft compensation, or one of many guys who get number crunched off a team in camp. There are opportunities to get guys cheap without giving up alot to get them. Like I said maybe a late pick (6th or 7th).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Hype? "could be" was used. If Hooker and Kearse are not re-signed who is left...Mukuamu n Bell. So, why let go of depth that the staff has been developing?

Just was asking someone else suggested Bell start and I didn’t even think he’d make the team.

 

[McKDaddy]

Lets say your a GM and you need a DE. How much you giving up to go get armstrong for 1 year then you gotta pay him or let him walk? Or you could sign a guy like Tak who is on the PS without losing draft compensation, or one of many guys who get number crunched off a team in camp. There are opportunities to get guys cheap without giving up alot to get them. Like I said maybe a late pick (6th or 7th).

We're not disagreeing really. I'm just saying there is always a chance. All it takes is one team or just one GM who feels they need to make a move.

If I'm a GM, lots of factors go into it. Some of which are selfish. Where does my job security stand? Do I really believe we have the core and just need to have the supporting cast & I might get that elusive ring? I guarantee you after each season the GM of teams that went deep but fell short are asking themselves "What if I had done that?"

Armstrong is a solid player. If I trade for him, I'm probably willing to pay him a commensurate salary. If he were older, may not. That's why things like this are as compelling as what happens on the field. It's hard to know the right answer.

 

[Mr_437]

Just was asking someone else suggested Bell start and I didn’t even think he’d make the team.

I hear ya, it's about the numbers for me...I don't know if Bell will ball out.

 

[charron]

We're not disagreeing really. I'm just saying there is always a chance. All it takes is one team or just one GM who feels they need to make a move.

If I'm a GM, lots of factors go into it. Some of which are selfish. Where does my job security stand? Do I really believe we have the core and just need to have the supporting cast & I might get that elusive ring? I guarantee you after each season the GM of teams that went deep but fell short are asking themselves "What if I had done that?"

Armstrong is a solid player. If I trade for him, I'm probably willing to pay him a commensurate salary. If he were older, may not. That's why things like this are as compelling as what happens on the field. It's hard to know the right answer.

Sure. I just try to put myself in their shoes. I could see him getting more if he was either a little more consistent or had more years of control.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I'll say without hesitation that they sold low on Cooper, but that doesn't mean it's not what the market was at the time.

The Tyreek Hill trade was insane, but he's also a unique talent (1700 yards last year), and the Dolphins had the luxury of signing him to a new deal that fits the structure they want which I think is a huge piece when talking about trades. Same with Ridley which I believe his deal gets bumped up to a higher pick if the Jags can resign him, but I need to look into that. The Claypool deal was an overpay IMO, but rookie deal and an in season trade. Kadarius Toney...rookie deal.....Jalen Reagor....rookie deal....still not like Toney/Reagor went for big bucks though.

The issue with the Cooper trade was twofold in that the Cowboys had both money and timing working against them....a large contract during the start of the offseason, when cap space value and draft pick value is at a premium. You trade for these receivers while they're cheap or when you can create the contract to fit your team and you'll naturally pay more for them. Trading for a guy coming off a 60ish catch 800 yard season who you have to immediately restructure to manage his cap hit isn't sexy to teams. Had the Cowboys kicked in some cash to the deal I have to believe they could have gotten a better draft pick, like Chicago did for Robert Quinn this past season, but who knows for sure.

Personally, I like Cooper and would have preferred that we just kept him over dealing for peanuts, but I can see why he wouldn't have much of a market given the time of the trade. The Cowboys flipped the script this year and took advantage of lower trade value snagging Cooks/Gilmore.

I think you're really tying yourself in knots trying to defend the trade.

The argument that, "the Cowboys didn't get a bad return for Cooper because they stupidly chose to trade him at the worst possible time" isn't the winning argument you seem to think it is. Nobody held a gun to their heads to trade him when they did. You say they had "money and timing working against them" but that wasn't something that the universe did to them: that was a deliberate choice that they made.

And I find your other argument, that trading for a guy on the last year of his contract who you immediately have to sign at market rate is somehow way more attractive than trading for a guy who is already under team control for years and you just need to restructure, less than compelling, and certainly not anywhere near enough to justify the difference in return between a 5th and a 1st-plus.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I think Armstrong gets you a 4th tops. Nothing for the rest.

 

[Verdict]

This is strictly my thoughts in my head. However, I thought it could be fun to look at 5 players that the Cowboys should look at trading. These are players who might have some trade value that are probably 50/50 to make the roster because of heavy depth in their respective positions. Right, let's begin!

1. Neville Gallimore - I'm starting with Neville Gallimore. He's a player that we chose in round 3 in 2020. He had a solid rookie season before an injury in a preseason game forced him to miss much of 2021. Unfortunately for him, since then, we've become very well built on the Dline to the point where he has become, shall we say, potentially expendable. However, for a lot of teams, he could probably start. Additionally, his competition at DT consists of Mazi Smith (1T), Hankins (1T), Osa (3T), Golston (3T who can also be a DE), Bohanna (1T - likely won't make it), and Alacron (likely wont make it). I think we probably keep 4 DT. I think he is a player who will struggle to make this team, but could start on other teams. So, if I were the FO, I'd see if we could trade him for say a 6th round pick that can become a 5th if certain conditions are met. By doing this (and if a team were to accept), we'd be able to have a later pick that can either be used to get another late picked player or can be used to trade for a player if needed as the season goes on.
2. Kelvin Joseph - this is a player that has special teams value who is still raw, but, unfortunately for him, is also in a similar issue to Gallimore. We have picked up a lot of depth at CB, and I think trying to offer him for a 7th that can become a 6th could be good. This allows us to move him before training camp and pick up a late draft pick so we get something for him.
3. Dorrance Armstrong - I sense that this one might get some flack, but hear me out. He's been a solid contributor for us, and I think he can actually get us a decent return. He's had 131 tackles and 16 sacks since joining as a 4th round pick in 2018. He's still relatively young. However, unfortunately for him, his contract is up at the end of the season, and I think he is faced with a lot of competition at DE. I'd move him in a trade because his competition at DE consists of DLaw, Fowler, Sam Williams, Parsons, Golston (who can also sub as a 3T), Fehoko, and the UDFA land. That's 8 DEs! I doubt we keep more than 6 DEs going into the season. Land seems to be someone that's catching attention in minicamps so far. So, I'd see if we can get a good return for him. He's a player that I could see us fetching a nice return, especially with his age (25) and what he's done so far. I could see a team like the Panthers flipping at least a 4th for him with what they have at DE.
4. Sean McKeon - okay, he's probably the least likely on this list to get a good return. However, I think, given his blocking abilities, that we could potentially get a 7th round pick for him. We probably only keep 4 TEs, and his competition consists of the following: Ferguson, Schoonmacher, Hendershot, Fant (rookie UDFA), Seth Green (likely wont make it), and John Stephens Jr (likely won't make it). We probably will only keep 4 TEs. So, I think we can at least get a 7th for him, and that'd be decent return.
5. Markquese Bell - I know, I know. I like him too and we have just gotten our safety spot to being a strength. However, here's the issue. His competition consists of Kearse and Wilson. Additionally, one could also argue that DO is also a tweener at LB and SS. This means that Bell hasn't got much room at safety. He looked good in TC last year and in the preseason. So, I'd see if we can get at least a 7 for him and take it. It saved the trouble of a cut, and we would end up with a pick.

Once again, these are just thoughts that I had. I think trading at least one of these players could be a good way to add draft capital for next year. I think the most likely of these that we should trade is probably Armstrong. I like him, but I think there's just so much depth at DE for us, and teams like the Panthers, Lions, Bears, and the Falcons have terrible defences. I think anybody those 4 would likely be willing to offer a mid/late pick for Armstrong. I'd say the Panthers likely make the move. When I look at the players on the Panthers currently at DE, I think Armstrong would rather easily make that roster. Of course, I just felt this would be fun to look at our roster and look at players at spots where we have a lot of depth with whom we could get draft pick return.

I like the way you think, but the real “rubber meeting the road” type of potential trades might be:

Diggs. He is going to require a massive contract to sign him. The team needs to decide if they are going to pay him or not, and if so what is the limit they will spend to keep him. He’s a great player but Parsons is much more valuable, and probably so is Lamb. One out of Diggs, Parson and Lamb could potentially be the odd man out.

I would be looking to move Diggs for reasonable compensation either now, at the trade deadline, or by tagging him at the end of his deal.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I like the way you think, but the real “rubber meeting the road” type of potential trades might be:

Diggs. He is going to require a massive contract to sign him. The team needs to decide if they are going to pay him or not, and if so what is the limit they will spend to keep him. He’s a great player but Parsons is much more valuable, and probably so is Lamb. One out of Diggs, Parson and Lamb could potentially be the odd man out.

I would be looking to move Diggs for reasonable compensation either now, at the trade deadline, or by tagging him at the end of his deal.

Diggs might be another I'd look at. Probably could get at least a first or two for him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think you might be able to get something for Armstrong. And I think the cap room and roster spot might be worth it. As you said, it’s a deep position on the team.

The rest are unproven or proven busts you probably couldn’t dump on anyone.

You might get a 7th round flier on Joseph just based on pedigree and positional value.

Outside of Armstrong, no one is trading for anyone else mentioned. We already tried to to trade Gallimore and couldnt.

Bell is a decent prospect, but he has little tape, little ST experience and low position value.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I did not know that they tried that with Gallimore. Perhaps it may have been because of the deadline. Maybe now before TC and some teams begin OTAs, he might get a lower pick. I mean, a 6 or 7 would be better than nothing, you know?

Honestly he just isn't very good. He flashed a couple times, that made him seem like he had potential. But he just has too many weakness to be consistent. He is kind of a walking outlier. Positive outliers in linier burst. Negative outliers in change of direction and length. Weird package as a player that just didnt work

 

[darthseinfeld]

They like their guys....

Gallimore
They tried to trade Hill, he was released, as they tried to trade Gallimore as well, no takers. So Hill was released, Gallimore kept for depth.
How about Bohanna instead of Gallimore? Which one has more trade value, and which one helps the team more? Either way, a team would need to be in need of a DT really bad to trade maybe a conditional late pick.

Joseph
Same as above, it would take some injuries to get a late round pick. As Dallas likes their ST's players saw ell.

Armstrong
Now he probably has some trade value, but Dallas views his value in the rotation more than trading him. A team would have to offer up something pretty good such as that 3rd, or a 4th conditional to a 3rd. Then do you really think Dallas would do it...as we say...they like their guys....

Mckeon
Don't think you can really get anything for him. Many TE's like him are out there. If very lucky a late 6th or 7th, or a player swap. We may want OL depth, another team may want TE depth.

Bell
I think they still like his potential and with contracts expiring after this season, they rather play the long game and keep him.
But as with any player if a team offers there right picks and / or players, you have to consider it.

I think Gallimore gets cut and Bohanna moves to the PS. They made it pretty apparent that Gallimore isnt in their plans last year. He was also drafted under Nolan and doesn't really fit a Quinn DL that favors length. I think you are going Golston in more of a 3T role this year. He was 290 last year. Fehoko also factors in, as the intent seems to be transitioning him to 3T long term ( wheather or not that is as an everydown 3T or a 3T/DE hybrid is still unclear)

I dont think they will keep 3 big DT's on the roster. Hankins is significantly better than Bohanna and only makes about the vet min, so a $ discrepancy cant be that big. I think Bohanna can get and stay on the PS safely as injury insurance. If not he wont be hard to replace. I wouldn't even be shocked if they dump Bohanna for Ridgeway during cuts. Mathis will be back and good chance Ridgeway doesnt make Washington's roster

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think you're really tying yourself in knots trying to defend the trade.

The argument that, "the Cowboys didn't get a bad return for Cooper because they stupidly chose to trade him at the worst possible time" isn't the winning argument you seem to think it is. Nobody held a gun to their heads to trade him when they did. You say they had "money and timing working against them" but that wasn't something that the universe did to them: that was a deliberate choice that they made.

And I find your other argument, that trading for a guy on the last year of his contract who you immediately have to sign at market rate is somehow way more attractive than trading for a guy who is already under team control for years and you just need to restructure, less than compelling, and certainly not anywhere near enough to justify the difference in return between a 5th and a 1st-plus.

I'm not here to defend the trade itself, I wish they wouldn't have moved Cooper to begin with. Honestly had they not gone through with that we may have been in the NFCCG game this past season.

What I will defend is the return the Cowboys received in relation to the Amaris value at the time. If the roles were flipped and I'm a Browns fan I would have been thrilled to get Amari for a 5th. If they gave up a 2nd rounder though that's a different story. At that point I'm thinking to myself why can't we spend that $70ish Million dollars in free agency and keep our 2nd round pick? Very similar to the Cowboys landing Cooks. I'm a fan of him for a 5th rounder, make that a 2nd or 3rd and I'm a little more skeptical.

Cooper currently with the Browns is essentially a two year player who is a legitimate cut candidate after this season who still counts against the cap in dead money for the following 3 years if they do cut him. He was a good player, but coming off a down season statistically who had a contract that carried negative value. For similar reasons I doubt the Dolphins could trade Tyreek Hill for anything close to what they gave up for him as teams immediately have to restructure his deal or manage cap hits of $30M, $35M, $55M. The midway point of backloaded deals wont get you much value.

 

[TNCowboy]

You might get a late pick for Armstrong, the rest is garbage that any other team would laugh at a trade offer.

 

[Pass2Run]

Tyron Smith should be added to the list..Same for Tolbert since Moreno-Cropper is a better player.

 

[kskboys]

This is strictly my thoughts in my head. However, I thought it could be fun to look at 5 players that the Cowboys should look at trading. These are players who might have some trade value that are probably 50/50 to make the roster because of heavy depth in their respective positions. Right, let's begin!

1. Neville Gallimore - I'm starting with Neville Gallimore. He's a player that we chose in round 3 in 2020. He had a solid rookie season before an injury in a preseason game forced him to miss much of 2021. Unfortunately for him, since then, we've become very well built on the Dline to the point where he has become, shall we say, potentially expendable. However, for a lot of teams, he could probably start. Additionally, his competition at DT consists of Mazi Smith (1T), Hankins (1T), Osa (3T), Golston (3T who can also be a DE), Bohanna (1T - likely won't make it), and Alacron (likely wont make it). I think we probably keep 4 DT. I think he is a player who will struggle to make this team, but could start on other teams. So, if I were the FO, I'd see if we could trade him for say a 6th round pick that can become a 5th if certain conditions are met. By doing this (and if a team were to accept), we'd be able to have a later pick that can either be used to get another late picked player or can be used to trade for a player if needed as the season goes on.
2. Kelvin Joseph - this is a player that has special teams value who is still raw, but, unfortunately for him, is also in a similar issue to Gallimore. We have picked up a lot of depth at CB, and I think trying to offer him for a 7th that can become a 6th could be good. This allows us to move him before training camp and pick up a late draft pick so we get something for him.
3. Dorrance Armstrong - I sense that this one might get some flack, but hear me out. He's been a solid contributor for us, and I think he can actually get us a decent return. He's had 131 tackles and 16 sacks since joining as a 4th round pick in 2018. He's still relatively young. However, unfortunately for him, his contract is up at the end of the season, and I think he is faced with a lot of competition at DE. I'd move him in a trade because his competition at DE consists of DLaw, Fowler, Sam Williams, Parsons, Golston (who can also sub as a 3T), Fehoko, and the UDFA land. That's 8 DEs! I doubt we keep more than 6 DEs going into the season. Land seems to be someone that's catching attention in minicamps so far. So, I'd see if we can get a good return for him. He's a player that I could see us fetching a nice return, especially with his age (25) and what he's done so far. I could see a team like the Panthers flipping at least a 4th for him with what they have at DE.
4. Sean McKeon - okay, he's probably the least likely on this list to get a good return. However, I think, given his blocking abilities, that we could potentially get a 7th round pick for him. We probably only keep 4 TEs, and his competition consists of the following: Ferguson, Schoonmacher, Hendershot, Fant (rookie UDFA), Seth Green (likely wont make it), and John Stephens Jr (likely won't make it). We probably will only keep 4 TEs. So, I think we can at least get a 7th for him, and that'd be decent return.
5. Markquese Bell - I know, I know. I like him too and we have just gotten our safety spot to being a strength. However, here's the issue. His competition consists of Kearse and Wilson. Additionally, one could also argue that DO is also a tweener at LB and SS. This means that Bell hasn't got much room at safety. He looked good in TC last year and in the preseason. So, I'd see if we can get at least a 7 for him and take it. It saved the trouble of a cut, and we would end up with a pick.

Once again, these are just thoughts that I had. I think trading at least one of these players could be a good way to add draft capital for next year. I think the most likely of these that we should trade is probably Armstrong. I like him, but I think there's just so much depth at DE for us, and teams like the Panthers, Lions, Bears, and the Falcons have terrible defences. I think anybody those 4 would likely be willing to offer a mid/late pick for Armstrong. I'd say the Panthers likely make the move. When I look at the players on the Panthers currently at DE, I think Armstrong would rather easily make that roster. Of course, I just felt this would be fun to look at our roster and look at players at spots where we have a lot of depth with whom we could get draft pick return.

The trade value of all of these might collectively bring a bag of cheetos.

If you want some valuable resource in trade, you must trade players w/ value.

 

[kskboys]

Tyron Smith should be added to the list..Same for Tolbert since Moreno-Cropper is a better player.

Neither has any trade value. Try again.