Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[joseephuss]

Let's not be coy...they are a football school first.

And football is what the conferences/superconferences are geared up for. Being a good basketball program would only be a bonus, but you better have a good football program first and foremost. And while FSU has struggled over recent years as far as winning, they do bring other aspects related to football to the table.

 

[rkell87]

And football is what the conferences/superconferences are geared up for. Being a good basketball program would only be a bonus, but you better have a good football program first and foremost. And while FSU has struggled over recent years as far as winning, they do bring other aspects related to football to the table.

like a pipeline to florida talent

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Let's not be coy...they are a football school first.

They had a great year last year but they have had ups and downs. I like their BB Coach and they have a solid geography from which to recruit. They would be an instant hit in the Big 12. They have a very good Baseball program as well. Would provide the Big 12 with access to that Florida recruiting hot bed and I've no doubt that they would pull athletes from Texas as well. Same story to a lessor extent with Clemson. The addition of FSU, Clemson (if it comes to fruition) to go along with WV and TCU are, IMO, more then adequate replacements for the loss of Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and TAMU.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And football is what the conferences/superconferences are geared up for. Being a good basketball program would only be a bonus, but you better have a good football program first and foremost. And while FSU has struggled over recent years as far as winning, they do bring other aspects related to football to the table.

I think some teams in the ACC are starting to feel how some teams in the Big East felt...that the basketball schools run the conference and football is not getting the attention it deserves.

I know some fans of some of the ACC football teams that have expressed their displeasure that the ACC did not go out and get better football teams instead of bringing in Pitt and Syracuse who are better known NOW for basketball vs football.

Now it is perceived in some conferences that some teams kind of run the conference (say Texas/Oklahoma in the big 12) and who gets in. Now I said perceived. It is perceived by many fans in the ACC that North Carolina and Duke kind of run things of who gets into the ACC and they are more geared towards getting good basketball schools vs football schools. I don't know how much merit there is to that claim as they did go out and get Miami and VT some years ago and they were clearly football first schools.

I will also that I don't know if Clemson and FSU wind up going to the Big 12 but I trust what I have read enough to believe they have had or are currently having talks about it at the very least.

Who knows if it really happen. If it did, it would clearly be a good thing for the Big 12.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They had a great year last year but they have had ups and downs. I like their BB Coach and they have a solid geography from which to recruit. They would be an instant hit in the Big 12. They have a very good Baseball program as well. Would provide the Big 12 with access to that Florida recruiting hot bed and I've no doubt that they would pull athletes from Texas as well. Same story to a lessor extent with Clemson. The addition of FSU, Clemson (if it comes to fruition) to go along with WV and TCU are, IMO, more then adequate replacements for the loss of Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and TAMU.

See that is another reason I think the Big 12 would really be interested in FSU is due to the florida recruiting area.

Texas and Florida really does a large and productive recruiting area and if the Big 12 is going to expand they really should look into bringing in a School from Florida...if not FSU than one of the smaller schools.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think some teams in the ACC are starting to feel how some teams in the Big East felt...that the basketball schools run the conference and football is not getting the attention it deserves.

I know some fans of some of the ACC football teams that have expressed their displeasure that the ACC did not go out and get better football teams instead of bringing in Pitt and Syracuse who are better known NOW for basketball vs football.

Now it is perceived in some conferences that some teams kind of run the conference (say Texas/Oklahoma in the big 12) and who gets in. Now I said perceived. It is perceived by many fans in the ACC that North Carolina and Duke kind of run things of who gets into the ACC and they are more geared towards getting good basketball schools vs football schools. I don't know how much merit there is to that claim as they did go out and get Miami and VT some years ago and they were clearly football first schools.

I will also that I don't know if Clemson and FSU wind up going to the Big 12 but I trust what I have read enough to believe they have had or are currently having talks about it at the very least.

Who knows if it really happen. If it did, it would clearly be a good thing for the Big 12.

What's up Mountain Man?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

What's up Mountain Man?

This is a family friendly board and I would ask you to kindly keep your perverted questions to your self good Sir.

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[MC KAos]

i hope we can get these two schools, not only for what they bring in football, but it would make it easier for WVU fans to travel to than most of the big 12 schools.

 

[MC KAos]

This is a family friendly board and I would ask you to kindly keep your perverted questions to your self good Sir.

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[The30YardSlant]

What does this statement, true or false, have to do with anything? I think we are talking about the Big 12 and the ACC right?

It means that all the major conferences are cutting huge new TV deals, that isnt something just the Big XII has going for it. Hell the ACC has a great current deal in place that was larger than the one the Big XII had this past year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is a family friendly board and I would ask you to kindly keep your perverted questions to your self good Sir.

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Doh! :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It means that all the major conferences are cutting huge new TV deals, that isnt something just the Big XII has going for it. Hell the ACC has a great current deal in place that was larger than the one the Big XII had this past year.

I never said it was but it still has nothing to do with your original statement about the stability of the Big 12.

The PAC 12 just signed a new contract in 2011. I'd be very surprised if they had another deal in the works in the next two years. The SEC, they will probably get a new deal but the Big 12 will also get one for exactly the same reasons. It is being negotiated now but it's rumored to be in the area of 2.6 Billion. Can the SEC get a bigger deal? It's possible but again, it has nothing at all to do with why ACC teams would not jump to the Big 12.

 

[rkell87]

I never said it was but it still has nothing to do with your original statement about the stability of the Big 12.

The PAC 12 just signed a new contract in 2011. I'd be very surprised if they had another deal in the works in the next two years. The SEC, they will probably get a new deal but the Big 12 will also get one for exactly the same reasons. It is being negotiated now but it's rumored to be in the area of 2.6 Billion. Can the SEC get a bigger deal? It's possible but again, it has nothing at all to do with why ACC teams would not jump to the Big 12.

pretty sure i saw on espn this weekend that the deal has been agreed to verbally and is now just a matter crossing t's and dotting i's

 

[MC KAos]

here is an article about the rumors

http://saturdayblitz.com/2012/05/04...tate-to-big-12-conference-rumors-run-rampant/

 

[DFWJC]

And football is what the conferences/superconferences are geared up for. Being a good basketball program would only be a bonus, but you better have a good football program first and foremost. And while FSU has struggled over recent years as far as winning, they do bring other aspects related to football to the table.

FSU is back. Check out the recruiting--it's back near the top after a 10+ year hiatus.
Don't be surprised if they are a top 5 team on a regular basis again as soon as 2014, maybe even next year.

If the Big 12 added those two schools, they just added two of the very best college football venues and fan bases around.
It'd be a huge get.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

here is an article about the rumors

http://saturdayblitz.com/2012/05/04...tate-to-big-12-conference-rumors-run-rampant/

Realignment of the Big 12, as projected, is interesting. OU and Texas were not in the same Division. That would be good because that would set up a Championship Game with strong Powerhouse contenders from each Division but it could be bad in that the RR Rivalry game might go away. Will be interesting to see how all this plays out if true.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is also talk that a combination of FSU, Clemson, GTech, Louisville, Cincy, BYU and Notre Dame (again) might join the Big 12. Obviously, the Big 12 really only needs 6 so it's fluid but those teams would be interesting. ND is obviously the most desired pick. Both the Big 10 and the Big 12 want ND.

 

[YosemiteSam]

They are just going to have to name them "Big range(10, 30)".

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

They are just going to have to name them "Big range(10, 30)".

Big Country?

How bout, "Big Screwed Up Conference Located All Over The Damn Place Conference?"

 

[Rogah]

I fully expect it to expand, I just expect that expansion to be along the lines of Louisville, Cincinnatti, etc.

And both the Pac-12 and SEC are preparing to sign multi-billion dollar television contracts within the next year that are expected to be the largest broadcasting contracts in the history of cable television, sports or otherwise. They will dwarf the NFL's cable contracts. They will essentially gurantee that every single Pac-12 and SEC game in both basketball and football will be able to be seen nationally by anyone with more than a basic cable package.

Whuh huh? These deals will "dwarf the NFL's cable contracts"? Wanna clarify that statement with actual numbers? By my calculations, 12 years of the Big 12 costs about the same as 2 years of the NFL. I doubt any new deal will alter that equation significantly.