Spencer Franchised under Linebacker tag...*Merge*

[big dog cowboy]

Spencer isn't going to be traded.

I think you guys can leave that notion at the door.

+1.

For the most part we know what we have with Spencer and keeping him doesn't create a need.

 

[Aven8]

Been gone all day and had no idea until I opened this thread.

Good move IMO. He was our BEST player last year by a country mile.

 

[jobberone]

I don't have an answer but my question would be how do you replace him even with a number one? You can say I think someone else can play well enough or we can draft someone yada but you know Spencer call fill that hole.

 

[LatinMind]

DE is locked up and DT is locked up. Vaccarro, T, G will be the first pick. Book it.

 

[blindzebra]

The interesting thing is WHERE he was tagged, at OLB.

DE's tag is higher.

Can only mean three things:

We are trying to trade him to a 3-4 team so we tagged him accordingly.

We plan on using him at SOLB the way Denver uses Miller.

We tagged him that way so that he can see his value to other teams, but any long term deal will be at DE numbers.

 

[speedkilz88]

The interesting thing is WHERE he was tagged, at OLB.

DE's tag is higher.

Can only mean three things:

We are trying to trade him to a 3-4 team so we tagged him accordingly.

We plan on using him at SOLB the way Denver uses Miller.

We tagged him that way so that he can see his value to other teams, but any long term deal will be at DE numbers.

This has already been discussed. They go by last seasons snaps where he played LB for the franchise tag. NFLPA approved. It's cheaper that way which is a plus. Position doesn't really mean anything when it comes to a long term contract.

 

[Proximo]

I don't have an answer but my question would be how do you replace him even with a number one? You can say I think someone else can play well enough or we can draft someone yada but you know Spencer call fill that hole.

I agree with this. I think this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations for the Cowboys. Yes, they very well may end up overpaying for Spencer, but letting him walk creates a huge hole to fill. He was legitimately one of the best outside linebackers in the league last year. I like our chances of finding a safety to replace Sensabaugh more than I'd like our chances of finding a DE to replace Spencer. We don't need more holes.

 

[sonnyboy]

What?

There was some article about JJ saying something about that.

“If you’re going to have a guy…that can handle a porous offensive line, it’s Tony,” Jones said.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

I do appreciate you posting this quote. Now go back and read what you had to say about Jones.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

DE is locked up and DT is locked up. Vaccarro, T, G will be the first pick. Book it.

DT isn't locked up..Before Jason Hatcher became an every down player, he was pretty solid at pushing the pocket. Last year, you saw the front 4 unable to make any kind of push most of the time. You definitely need to get younger & have a guy ready to start in 2014. The 1 technique shouldn't be locked up. If Sheldon Richardson is there, don't be surprised if he is the pick. Right now, I am 80% it will be one of these 3 selected - Vaccaro/Richardson/Warmack...

 

[Wood]

We keep a hold of him, can continue to negotiate long term, and can rescind the tag at any time.

We get Romo under contract and we've got space for a few other signings.

and you basically have same team that has gone 8-8 two years in row.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

DE is locked up and DT is locked up. Vaccarro, T, G will be the first pick. Book it.

Yes, locked in mediocrity. Book it.

 

[Nirvana]

Good to have him back, I didn't think it made sense with the cap problems but wth let's do it.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

and you basically have same team that has gone 8-8 two years in row.

Um, except for a radically different defensive scheme, more experienced younger players, likely a more healthy team, and a infusion of draft picks/FAs.

 

[Jarv]

With the franchise tag, the Cowboys still have a lot of scenerios still on the table with what they can do with Spencer for the long haul, but letting a double digit pass rusher in his prime just walk away with getting nothing in return is astoundingly and mind-numbingly illogical. You don't just let highly valuable assets walk away for nothing.

This ^^^^^^

 

[Doomsay]

considering how some UNDERVALUE guards (Jerruh for one) and some in this thread for others its much more likey they have better overall football intelligence

It's amazing actually, especially after the past 2 seasons.

 

[InmanRoshi]

considering how some UNDERVALUE guards (Jerruh for one) and some in this thread for others its much more likey they have better overall football intelligence

Who undervalues offensive guards? The guy who made Larry Allen the highest paid guard in football? The guy who made Leonard Davis the highest paid guard in football? The guy who spent a fortune to acquire Marco Rivera the year he was the premiere guard on the free agent market coming off three straight Pro Bowls? It's amazing how conveniently the Cult of the Guard dismisses facts and history. .


Maybe Jerry finally realized that overpaying premium prices for a bunch of fan-favorites and big names past their prime wasn't working, and over the long haul it was better to just find value in free agency and draft/rebuild in house through developed talent ..... thus creating massive amounts of butthurt by misguided people who think offensive guards are only rivaled in importance by quarterback, despite the fact that no NFL front office person shares this belief.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who undervalues offensive guards? The guy who made Larry Allen the highest paid guard in football? The guy who made Leonard Davis the highest paid guard in football? The guy who spent a fortune to acquire Marco Rivera the year he was the premiere guard on the free agent market coming off three straight Pro Bowls? It's amazing how conveniently the Cult of the Guard dismisses facts and history. .


Maybe Jerry finally realized that overpaying premium prices for a bunch of fan-favorites and big names past their prime wasn't working, and over the long haul it was better to just find value in free agency and draft/rebuild in house through developed talent ..... thus creating massive amounts of butthurt by misguided people who think offensive guards are only rivaled in importance by quarterback, despite the fact that no NFL front office person shares this belief.

Very vaild argument. I also do not think Jerry or the organization is blind to the fact that the OL needs more talent and I fully expect to see the Cowboys bring in at least 1 OL player either through FA or within the 1st 3 rds of the draft.

 

[IrishAnto]

Who undervalues offensive guards? The guy who made Larry Allen the highest paid guard in football? The guy who made Leonard Davis the highest paid guard in football? The guy who spent a fortune to acquire Marco Rivera the year he was the premiere guard on the free agent market coming off three straight Pro Bowls? It's amazing how conveniently the Cult of the Guard dismisses facts and history. .
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And there you have a large part of the problem.

Leonard Davis was way overpaid. He had one good year in Dallas (his first) and regressed every year thereafter.

Marco Rivera hurt himself before he ever stepped on the field of play. He even offered to pay back his bonus which Jerry in his wisdom declined to accept.

Only two free agent linemen we picked up worth their salt were Kosier and Colombo.

As for developing linemen outside the first two round picks well the record speaks for itself.

The Cowboys obviously have a big problem with OL talent evaluation.

So unless that has changed since the last draft, I’d suggest the Cowboys get their guy(s) in the first two rounds.

 

[InmanRoshi]

And there you have a large part of the problem.

Then the problem is evaluating players, not in "undervaluing" the position. And if just signing the biggest name or the guy who's been to the most Pro Bowls on the free agent market has proved to be an utter failure from 96-08, it makes no sense to revisit that approach. The Cowboys brought in a different OL guru and are in the process of trying to implement a new scheme/philosophy to better utilize under valued players. People are so quick to call this current approach a failure because there hasn't been a payoff in 2 years (never mind the fact that it took about 3-4 years for the OL of the 90s to come to fruition), but they're advocating going back to an organizational offensive line philosophy that was a complete and abject failure for the better part of 10+ years.

 

[IrishAnto]

Then the problem is evaluating players, not in "undervaluing" the position. And if just signing the biggest name or the guy who's been to the most Pro Bowls on the free agent market has proved to be an utter failure from 96-08, it makes no sense to revisit that approach. The Cowboys brought in a different OL guru and are in the process of trying to implement a new scheme/philosophy to better utilize under valued players. People are so quick to call this current approach a failure because there hasn't been a payoff in 2 years (never mind the fact that it took about 3-4 years for the OL of the 90s to come to fruition), but they're advocating going back to an organizational offensive line philosophy that was a complete and abject failure for the better part of 10+ years.

Frankly I think it’s a bit of both.

One OL picked in the 1st round of the draft in 32 years (or 24 if you just count the time Jerry has been the owner) does speak to the OL being under valued.

However the main problem is one of being able to evaluate players who can play for the Cowboys.

Outside of rounds 1 & 2 (and round 1 is as small a sample size as you can get) the record is terrible.

The best lines have by and large a mixture of low round/free agent picks which the tram developed over a couple of years and one or two high round picks which they could plug in quite quickly.