Sports Illustrated 2016 Redraft: Dak goes 1

[rambo2]

Sanchez, Weeden, Cassel and Moore say hello.

It's a QB thing. I for the life of me can't understand why people put Dak down because of talent on the team but guys like Carr and Ryan are great despite the talent on their team

So, you are saying that Dak would have been outstanding on the Rams last season? All of the qbs that you mentioned did not play with Elliott.

 

[gmoney112]

This is always the fall back. If one has a differing opinion, he doesn't know football or he didn't watch the game or yada, yada, yada. I guess the NFL commentators who had glowing things to say about Wentz didn't watch him either, even those assigned to broadcast his games.



Dak also had the better team. And it's not even close.

Be that as it may, no one is putting down Dak - at least not me. That's the narrative that YOU have created to apply to people/fans who believe Wentz showed promise and will likely do better in the future.

But I'm not going to argue with you. You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. The good thing about this debate is that the future will determine the outcome.

No, it's not a differing opinion. It's a fact.

And you're the one that said the "only thing reason I give Dak the edge is because of his scrambling". Those are your exact words.

And if that's truly what you think, then you're listening to Wentz homers and not watching his body of work. Hence, why I said you didn't watch him. He was on a bad team, but he also didn't look nearly as poised or accurate as Dak did, while Dak was also averaging twice the YPA.

I guess you can feel free playing the martyr over the words you said though.

 

[rambo2]

This is always the fall back. If one has a differing opinion, he doesn't know football or he didn't watch the game or yada, yada, yada. I guess the NFL commentators who had glowing things to say about Wentz didn't watch him either, even those assigned to broadcast his games.



Dak also had the better team. And it's not even close.

Be that as it may, no one is putting down Dak - at least not me. That's the narrative that YOU have created to apply to people/fans who believe Wentz showed promise and will likely do better in the future.

But I'm not going to argue with you. You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. The good thing about this debate is that the future will determine the outcome.

I wanted Wentz for the Cowboys and then Elliott. I think that I had it right and I think that is what they had on their board as well. I'm thrilled at their draft and how they have been drafting. Just think if they hit on Smith too. What a draft they had. And another thing about Dak, falling in the draft put a chip on his shoulder which makes a person work harder.

 

[vicjagger]

I would draft Hannah Jeter in the 1st and Kate Upton in the 2nd in the SI Draft

With Nina Agdal still on the board?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I would draft Hannah Jeter in the 1st and Kate Upton in the 2nd in the SI Draft

Barbara Palvin would be my steal in the fourth round.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

So, you are saying that Dak would have been outstanding on the Rams last season? All of the qbs that you mentioned did not play with Elliott.

They played with the OL and a 1000 yard rusher.

And yes I think Dak would have been Rookie of the year even if he played on the Rams. They have Gurley by the way

 

[SDCowboy]

They played with the OL and a 1000 yard rusher.

And yes I think Dak would have been Rookie of the year even if he played on the Rams. They have Gurley by the way

Exactly. Playing for the Rams wouldn't suddenly take away Dak's accuracy, decision making, leadership or off the charts poise. Would he have been as good? It's impossible to know, but Dak's biggest strengths, IMO, largely aren't a product of those around him.

 

[Idgit]

Wentz actually looks good playing for a bad team.

He did. But many here don't want to acknowledge it. He showed signs of being a rookie. But he also showed the talent, skills, arm strength and poise that the Eagles saw when they traded up to draft him.

If the Cowboys had drafted Wentz, I dare say he would have been nearly as good as Dak. I give Dak the edge only because of his ability to scramble and he's more solid than Wentz and, IMO, can withstand brutal hits better than Wentz.

He didn't really look all that good playing for a bad team, though. And that team wasn't bad defensively, either.

Wentz has all the ability in the world. I can see why, physically, he had teams excited. He's got significant mechanical issues (this was known before the draft, and they persisted all year without getting fixed). He also made a lot of bad decisions later in the year with where he went with the ball. I even saw several times when he took off running and made a bad decision not getting down properly.

On the one hand, you don't blame a rookie for those sorts of things because those are the sorts of mistakes you expect rookies to make. On the other, not fixing those things is how most QBs who are taken in the top 5 end up being busts. The fact that those issues plague him doesn't suggest he's going to overcome them eventually. He will or he won't, but if he doesn't, he'll end up a bust who started out hot for 3 games until NFL teams figured out how to take away what he does best.

Dak, on the other hand, has already proven he can handle the NFL mental game. He's got his own stuff to work on, but that's a huge hurdle he's already cleared. There's zero doubt he's the better player and prospect right now. There was little doubt by week 5 for anybody paying attention. If Wentz does put it all together eventually the way Dak already has, he's got the potential to be the better player because of the physical gifts. But that's a huge 'if' at this point. What's worse, he wasn't exactly getting better late in the season when he should have been getting better. If anything, he looked a lot worse.

 

[Idgit]

...Dak also had the better team. And it's not even close.

To be fair, for the fist third of the season, a lot of people disputed which of these two teams was better. The question became not-close when we got significantly better QB play than the Eagles did and earned the better record. But for much of the season it was a debate between the Eagles' defense and our OL and skill players.

 

[Nightman]

With Nina Agdal still on the board?

a close 3rd but her pics weren't up to to par this year.......Upton stood out again

 

[MichaelWinicki]

To be fair, for the fist third of the season, a lot of people disputed which of these two teams was better. The question became not-close when we got significantly better QB play than the Eagles did and earned the better record. But for much of the season it was a debate between the Eagles' defense and our OL and skill players.

And obviously it wasn't a coincidence that the Eagle season started going downhill as Wentz started playing more poorly.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

a close 3rd but her pics weren't up to to par this year.......Upton stood out again

Upton has those good... points...

But her face? I can find better looking gals without trying too hard.

 

[SDCowboy]

To be fair, for the fist third of the season, a lot of people disputed which of these two teams was better. The question became not-close when we got significantly better QB play than the Eagles did and earned the better record. But for much of the season it was a debate between the Eagles' defense and our OL and skill players.

And before the season even started, we were largely predicted to be mediocre at best. But when we suddenly do amazingly with a rookie QB, it has to be because the talent is off the charts.

I swear, to me it seems like some folks just can't wrap their head around a 4th round QB having arguably the greatest rookie season ever, and so there is this inherent need to try and justify it in a manner where it's not because of the QB actually being really good.

 

[Verdict]

Possibly potential since he did play well at times.

I'd go with Prescott, Elliott, Bosa as deserving the top three spots.

I t looks like I may have under rated Bosa. I really thought he might be a bust waiting to happen. I still think he is an ******* based on his holdout, but based on performance alone he looks worthy of where he was taken .... so far.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I still say Carson Wentz would go first. Dak would be the second quarterback taken.

lol, so what has he done so fascinating? Overthrowing his receivers by 20 yards? putting up Eli type INT's? Runs like Herman Munster

 

[ThreeandOut]

This assumes Philly wanted a QB.
Also, as you know, to properly evaluate a player you have to look at the team around them. They do have Dak ahead of Wentz.
But it might help to envision Dak on the Eagles and Wentz on the Cowboys just to get a basis on how each would have done in an alternate scenario.

Dak had arguably the best rookie season ever for a QB and held off a veteran QB that was top 5 at his position as recently as 2014. The chances are slim that Wentz could have matched Dak's success if he were on Cowboys. That's just how good Dak's season was. The most likely scenario would have been Wentz being replaced by Romo after he returned from injury.

If Dak had been on Philly's roster last year, there's a good chance he would have had a better season than Wentz. Dak was used to playing with lesser talent at Mississippi State. Wentz played for a team in college that was generally more talented than its competition. So playing with less talent would likely have been easier for Dak than Wentz in year one.

 

[Cowboys_22]

Our future looks bright

Go Cowboys!

 

[Nightman]

Upton has those good... points...

But her face? I can find better looking gals without trying too hard.

It is a bikini contest....not a beauty pageant........lol

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It is a bikini contest....not a beauty pageant........lol

Well the face is part of the package.

 

[Plumfool]

Dak had arguably the best rookie season ever for a QB and held off a veteran QB that was top 5 at his position as recently as 2014. The chances are slim that Wentz could have matched Dak's success if he were on Cowboys. That's just how good Dak's season was. The most likely scenario would have been Wentz being replaced by Romo after he returned from injury.

If Dak had been on Philly's roster last year, there's a good chance he would have had a better season than Wentz. Dak was used to playing with lesser talent at Mississippi State. Wentz played for a team in college that was generally more talented than its competition. So playing with less talent would likely have been easier for Dak than Wentz in year one.

Nice Facts. Dak really was Mississippi States offense.