News: ST: Sean Lee's six-year extension has him under contract through 2019

[The Natural]

What the hell?

 

[Galian Beast]

The "value" you get for them is 5-6 years of prime time production.

And does that value translate to championships? You're avoiding the question.

 

[Risen Star]

Well that should cover his medical expenses.

 

[AsthmaField]

Well that should cover his medical expenses.

LMAO!

I hate to encourage you... but that was one of the better one liners I've heard on here in a long time!

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Great signing, Lee is a top tier talent and the heartbeat of the defense.

Trading Bryant is ridiculous. People need to stop using New England as a comparison, they win because they have a generational talent playing QB, not because they don't pay WR's. I guess Jerry Rice, Mike Irvin, Isaac Bruce, Donald Driver's of the world weren't needed during their respective team's Super Bowl runs.

It is perfectly legit to use New England as a comparison because the people in charge seem to like to do it so often. From Garrett trying to turn Romo into Brady a few offseasons ago to all the bluster of the two tight end set because thats how they do it up there. Completely legit.

 

[perrykemp]

There are exactly 2 WRs with Salary caps 10M+.

There are exactly 0 WRs with Salary caps 15M+.

Huh?

By my math Calvin Johnson's 7y/$132m deal comes to $18.8 million a year.

By my math Larry Fitzgerald's 8y/$120m deal comes to $15 million a year.

I am in no way advocating trading Dez, however, I fully expect Dez will require a contract like Megatron / Larry Fitzgerald and the kind of deal will have a very significant impact on the Cowboys who are already butting up against the cap.

 

[JD_KaPow]

And does that value translate to championships? You're avoiding the question.

Not sure what kind of answer you're looking for. Jerry Rice certainly got paid and the team produced championships. Reggie White got a ring. Deion got paid a ton.

Let's see, last year's SB champs signed Haloti Ngata to a $12M/yr deal the year before they won.
In 2007, the Steelers gave Polamalu the biggest contract in team history, made him the highest paid safety in the league, and they won the SB that year.
Marvin Harrison signed an $11M/year contract in 2004(!), making him the highest-paid WR, and the team won the SB soon during that contract.

Is that enough?

 

[Corso]

Huh?

By my math Calvin Johnson's 7y/$132m deal comes to $18.8 million a year.

By my math Larry Fitzgerald's 8y/$120m deal comes to $15 million a year.

I am in no way advocating trading Dez, however, I fully expect Dez will require a contract like Megatron / Larry Fitzgerald and the kind of deal will have a very significant impact on the Cowboys who are already butting up against the cap.

Man! That's a hefty chunk o' cap space.
Of course Stephen will most like do his Cap-Space Houdini Metamorphosis on the contract like he is wont to do with multiple opportunities to restructure.

Is that a good thing? I'm not saying that- but I am saying that's what he'll most likely do.

Jerry will not let Dez get away. He's too marketable.
Not to mention slightly talented.

 

[Galian Beast]

Not sure what kind of answer you're looking for. Jerry Rice certainly got paid and the team produced championships. Reggie White got a ring. Deion got paid a ton.

Let's see, last year's SB champs signed Haloti Ngata to a $12M/yr deal the year before they won.
In 2007, the Steelers gave Polamalu the biggest contract in team history, made him the highest paid safety in the league, and they won the SB that year.
Marvin Harrison signed an $11M/year contract in 2004(!), making him the highest-paid WR, and the team won the SB soon during that contract.

Is that enough?

Remind me how many championships Rice won in the salary cap era...

Ngata, at 12 million isn't close to 15+ million per year...

You're still missing the mark. Harrison signed for 9.5 million a year. Again far cry from what we're talking about here.

 

[Galian Beast]

Also I would rather give money to a defensive player who plays a role in every play than an offensive player who does not.

Obvious exception being for the QB.

 

[Corso]

Remind me how many championships Rice won in the salary cap era...

Ngata, at 12 million isn't close to 15+ million per year...

You're still missing the mark. Harrison signed for 9.5 million a year. Again far cry from what we're talking about here.

I want to be straight here- I think I understand, but I want to be sure:
You believe elite skill position players aren't worth keeping?

 

[hra8700]

Good deal. Bowman averaged 9 a year in new money. Lee averages 7 a year with very achievable playing time escalators to 8.5. Very very reasonable especially considering jerod mayo and lawrence timmons pulled in 9.7 and ellerbee got 7.

 

[Galian Beast]

I want to be straight here- I think I understand, but I want to be sure:
You believe elite skill position players aren't worth keeping?

I don't think they're worth paying top dollar. I think doing some makes the rest of your team much weaker.

How many of these players do you think we can keep?

Lee*
Bailey
Carter
Bryant
Claiborne
Smith
Frederick
Terrance Williams

In addition to

Carr
Ware
Witten
Romo


* Resigned

 

[Galian Beast]

The only teams that pay these players top dollar, are teams that have no chance of winning anything.

Adrian Peterson
Calvin Johnson
Mario Williams
Darrelle Revis
Larry Fitzgerald
Julius Peppers

Perfect example is Brandon Carr. We're paying Carr the 3rd highest amount for a corner. Is he even the 3rd best corner in the league? 5th best? 10th best? It's not conducive to winning.

 

[brucekr]

I'm happy we have him locked down, but I'd like to see him make a full season. Is he worth the money? Yeah, if he can play all of the games. Love the kid from everything I've seen and read.

 

[Corso]

I don't think they're worth paying top dollar. I think doing some makes the rest of your team much weaker.

How many of these players do you think we can keep?

Lee*
Bailey
Carter
Bryant
Claiborne
Smith
Frederick
Terrance Williams

In addition to

Carr
Ware
Witten
Romo


* Resigned

I wasn't necessarily arguing, or debating. I just wanted to make sure I understood you're point correctly.
I was of a mind that you keep the elite because they are rare and help their teams more than others.

You just might be convincing me otherwise.
This is a difficult and complex topic that needs much thought.

Good discussion points! Although I wouldn't lump T Williams in that group just yet. Maybe not even Frederick... Yet.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't think they're worth paying top dollar. I think doing some makes the rest of your team much weaker.

How many of these players do you think we can keep?

Lee*
Bailey
Carter
Bryant
Claiborne
Smith
Frederick
Terrance Williams

In addition to

Carr
Ware
Witten
Romo


* Resigned

did you really list the kicker!?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Remind me how many championships Rice won in the salary cap era...

Ngata, at 12 million isn't close to 15+ million per year...

You're still missing the mark. Harrison signed for 9.5 million a year. Again far cry from what we're talking about here.

First of all, nobody except QBs has signed for $15+ million until very recently, so you're just being ridiculous on that. Your argument is basically: Calvin and Fitz didn't win the SB last year, so no non-QB who makes $15+M will ever win one.

There's plenty of history of the highest paid non-QB players at their positions going on to win SBs. And that's all we can go on.

The cap keeps going up and so do the top salaries. Harrison's contract was 9 years ago. Translating it from the cap then to the cap now, that's $14.7M today, which is pretty darned close to $15M in my book.

 

[rynochop]

Best player on the team by a mile... when he's healthy.

dude, tap the brakes..top ten maybe..when healthy

 

[Galian Beast]

I wasn't necessarily arguing, or debating. I just wanted to make sure I understood you're point correctly.
I was of a mind that you keep the elite because they are rare and help their teams more than others.

You just might be convincing me otherwise.
This is a difficult and complex topic that needs much thought.

Good discussion points! Although I wouldn't lump T Williams in that group just yet. Maybe not even Frederick... Yet.

I wasn't saying that they were elite, just the idea of having to sign them at some point, makes me concerned about resigning Dez, who I think is great.

It's about opportunity costs

What is better

LEFT HAND
Dez Bryant at 15+ million per year


RIGHT HAND
2 first round draft picks + anything we can get on top of that
3 veteran players at 5 million per year or or 5 veteran players at 3 million per year

It's difficult to warrant paying a player that much money.