Stephen A. Smith on Dez Bryant

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The Cowboys brand is so much more important than a few million dollars in a long term deal with your franchise, home-grown, star receiver.

Why would Jerry diminish the brand and associate the star with domestic abuse? Especially given the Ray Rice, AP, and Hardy situations?

Doesn't make any sense. I understand its the offseason but c'mon ya'll - stop getting as the Big Tuna liked to say, 'sucked' so easily.
 

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That's why I say I trust none of these talking heads and hands. It's a shame we are doing this to this guy. This is the first time in years I've wanted to hear what Stephen A had to say about anything (recommended by the Zone on behalf of Dez :D).

Steven A really just doesn't bother me for some reason. He does try to be a sports "shock jock" but allot of times I don't see what he says as wrong.
What he says really are his opinions, your opinion can't really be wrong because that's what you think. I give people like that credit more than any thing else.
 

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The Cowboys brand is so much more important than a few million dollars in a long term deal with your franchise, home-grown, star receiver.

Why would Jerry diminish the brand and associate the star with domestic abuse? Especially given the Ray Rice, AP, and Hardy situations?

Doesn't make any sense. I understand its the offseason but c'mon ya'll - stop getting as the Big Tuna liked to say, 'sucked' so easily.

I would love to hear his opinion on this.:laugh:
 

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I hate that Stephen A. Smith yells non-stop. But I agree with a majority of what he says many times. I don't think he is like Skip, where he makes up things to stir the sh$%. SAS just speaks his mind and has some very smart things to say. He just needs to stop yelling. He can be entertaining without the schtick.
 

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I hate that Stephen A. Smith yells non-stop. But I agree with a majority of what he says many times. I don't think he is like Skip, where he makes up things to stir the sh$%. SAS just speaks his mind and has some very smart things to say. He just needs to stop yelling. He can be entertaining without the schtick.

I agree. But I like the yelling. It's hilarious to me. Then again, most of these guys are caricatures anyway. That's why Frank Calliendo so easily impersonates them.
 

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I kinda think he took a few shots at the Cowboys organization and indirectly said they may have something to do with this, but I agree with everything he said about Dez. And I commend him for stepping up and calling Ian Rapoport out.
 

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I agree. But I like the yelling. It's hilarious to me. Then again, most of these guys are caricatures anyway. That's why Frank Calliendo so easily impersonates them.

On TV when he is making Skip look dumb it makes me laugh because you know SAS is kind of laughing about it. Listening to it on the radio hurt me
 

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Smith hates the Cowboys but is a fan of Dez Bryant. He's been subtly blaming Jerry Jones & co. for leaking negative stories about Dez to the media all year. I completely disagree with him on this one. That type of behavior is not consistent at all with how Jerry does business.
 

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I kinda think he took a few shots at the Cowboys organization and indirectly said they may have something to do with this, but I agree with everything he said about Dez. And I commend him for stepping up and calling Ian Rapoport out.

There are allot of people doing it. It's in the back of my mind. He simply said no one know after throwing a bunch of scenarios out.
 

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Mad Dog Mike Russo also came out and strongly took Bryant's side this afternoon as well. The fact that a couple of known Cowboys-haters are on Bryant's side speaks volumes as to the legitimacy of this whole issue.

the only thing that matters about any of this is how this affects Dez contract with Cowboys. I could care less if every sports fan in country sides with Dez....what is the impact? The league now has mandatory ban of 6 games for 1st time offenders of domestic abuse. With Dez already having the incident with his mother on the books you better believe the league would be very aggressive toward him if a video ever surfaces. What does this all mean? It means cowboys should only franchise him until this settles. It means Dez needs to come clean to Cowboys about anything that might be on video or a witness can testify to that deals in any domestic disputes. The league is rightfully dropping the hammer on this issue....long overdue. The Cowboys need to protect themselves big time. If Dallas is thinking clearly there isn't even a discussion of long term deal until this time next year. Plus that gives Dallas another year to see how Romo back holds up. In a way this story is best thing that happen to Dallas...it buys them time without looking like the bad guy.
 

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Steven A really just doesn't bother me for some reason. He does try to be a sports "shock jock" but allot of times I don't see what he says as wrong.
What he says really are his opinions, your opinion can't really be wrong because that's what you think. I give people like that credit more than any thing else.

That's why I used to like him. I've got pictures of us hanging out at 76ers basketball games. We used to talk on the regular via email about his daily columns on the Philadelphia Inquirer. But, when he got bought and sold by ESPN and became a caricature of himself, I was through.
 

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Something is certainly suspicious about the timing. That being said, I'll bet Dez was involved in the incident somehow, even if it was three years ago. I'm a Cowboys fan but not necessarily a Bryant fan. I cheer for him only because he's a Cowboy. If he wasn't, I wouldn't. He's be just another obnoxious receiver on a rival NFL team.
 

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That's one. Or someone with an axe to grind but isn't after money. Like an agent he just dumped.
Who "allegedly" paid money to not have this video see the light of day.

At lest per one report.

Although I'd hardly say that sounds like smething Eugene Parker would do.
 

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Pardon me for answering your question with a question, or two. You think the Dallas Cowboys wanted Mike Florio to put the idea out there that there is a video 5 times worse than the Ray Rice video, that the Cowboys know all about it and are worried, and that they did it around September when he says he started looking into this? You don't see that "theory" as an incredible reach, especially in light of the fact that the Dallas Cowboys have publicly said they know of no video?

Probably because there is no video as we learned yesterday.

I posted in one of these threads that I cannot worry about a video that is rumored. I can't worry about the content of the video until it is proven to be real and the facts on the video are made public. And that I cannot worry about something I cannot control.

Surely SAS left the implication, however benign, that one possibility is this is a ploy to get Dez' impending contract reduced by questioning his character, maturity, and decision making. Now he did not frame it that way precisely, but he certainly alluded to that as one possibility as he stated several times the timing of this appeared odd to him.

(And SAS' comment about this happening to a man - "who looks like Dez" - was another layer of muck he carefully applied to this situation. I have no issues with SAS. Sometimes I like his thoughts and other times I see them as filibustering and puffery, and somewhat of an act. But how Dez looks has nothing to do with this issue whatsoever. I think his comment truly was a contrived position and a calculated shot at skin color. But that is my opinion.)

Then I see comments by some of the posters here which offer the indication there is a possibility, however slight, this angle about the franchise leading this fiasco could be the truth.

My position is this. If Jerry Jones used his influence to get a journalist - however sketchy that label journalist is for the individuals who pursued this video theory - and Jones made a deal with those people to create a firestorm to lower the number of teams interested in Dez because of a string of incidents at his home and this mythical stunt in a Walmart parking lot, therefore rein in the price Jones would have to pay him has a Grand Canyon sized flaw in this conspiracy theory.

No one but a complete moron would ever suggest this to not one, but two individuals in the press, and then carry through with this. Because it would come out, as all things do now. And this would be a firestorm as big, if not bigger than Donald Sterling's racist behavior.

Jones would be hauled off in front of the Commish and perhaps be force to forfeit (sell) his franchise. At the very least fined so many draft picks it would make SMU's death penalty look like they won the BCS championship.
Jones would be sued by Dez and his representatives for so much money, Dez would never need to catch a football again.
And although I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, I believe there could be criminal violations.

Long way around the barn to say I think anyone suggesting this is a Jones inspired gambit to lessen the sting of a Dez contract has to be the leader of the lunatic parade and one of the funnier things I have read here in a while. Even if Jerry has a component in his personality that makes you think he might have coordinated a Faustian type deal for those first three Super Bowls.
 

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You know, I understand the criticisms that Jones gets, but this isn't how Jones does business. As much as his party life hits the media spotlight, as much as many hate him as a GM, Jerry Jones the owner doesn't screw over his players. He's been doing this for two decades now and he has done the opposite, he's given players contracts that can secure them for life (Even when not deserved).

I think it's safe to say that we know Jerry Jones the owner by now, he wants to get Dez his contract; he wants to keep Dez around long term and set him up for life. That's why I'm not going to claim anything and why it's unprofessional, something Stephen A. was criticizing others form, to say Jerry Jones and the rest are behind this.

Until there is evidence of Jerry Jones and the rest doing this, there is no reason to make claims.
 

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I posted in one of these threads that I cannot worry about a video that is rumored. I can't worry about the content of the video until it is proven to be real and the facts on the video are made public. And that I cannot worry about something I cannot control.

Surely SAS left the implication, however benign, that one possibility is this is a ploy to get Dez' impending contract reduced by questioning his character, maturity, and decision making. Now he did not frame it that way precisely, but he certainly alluded to that as one possibility as he stated several times the timing of this appeared odd to him.

(And SAS' comment about this happening to a man - "who looks like Dez" - was another layer of muck he carefully applied to this situation. I have no issues with SAS. Sometimes I like his thoughts and other times I see them as filibustering and puffery, and somewhat of an act. But how Dez looks has nothing to do with this issue whatsoever. I think his comment truly was a contrived position and a calculated shot at skin color. But that is my opinion.)

Then I see comments by some of the posters here which offer the indication there is a possibility, however slight, this angle about the franchise leading this fiasco could be the truth.

My position is this. If Jerry Jones used his influence to get a journalist - however sketchy that label journalist is for the individuals who pursued this video theory - and Jones made a deal with those people to create a firestorm to lower the number of teams interested in Dez because of a string of incidents at his home and this mythical stunt in a Walmart parking lot, therefore rein in the price Jones would have to pay him has a Grand Canyon sized flaw in this conspiracy theory.

No one but a complete moron would ever suggest this to not one, but two individuals in the press, and then carry through with this. Because it would come out, as all things do now. And this would be a firestorm as big, if not bigger than Donald Sterling's racist behavior.

Jones would be hauled off in front of the Commish and perhaps be force to forfeit (sell) his franchise. At the very least fined so many draft picks it would make SMU's death penalty look like they won the BCS championship.
Jones would be sued by Dez and his representatives for so much money, Dez would never need to catch a football again.
And although I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, I believe there could be criminal violations.

Long way around the barn to say I think anyone suggesting this is a Jones inspired gambit to lessen the sting of a Dez contract has to be the leader of the lunatic parade and one of the funnier things I have read here in a while. Even if Jerry has a component in his personality that makes you think he might have coordinated a Faustian type deal for those first three Super Bowls.
One of the things I respect about SAS is that he doesn't hide his disdain for the Cowboys. I prefer that to someone who acts like they respect the team and never shows an ounce of it as proof. I'm goofy that way. My issue with him is that he, like so many others, has no concept of the symbolism of the nickname America's Team.

Like so many others, he thinks that nickname is transferable and is about winning. So if Dallas loses, he thinks someone else gets the nickname. Yet no other nickname has that? Not even the similarly "arrogant" Titletown?"

I challenged him to a debate over who America's Team is and he was going to do it and chickened out. I had an employee at ESPN helping me and everything. It tells me he does that stuff to muck rake. That I do not like, and that is exactly what he is decrying in this piece from his show. He talks about how so little facts shaped the story. You mean like so little facts on why Dallas is America's Team, and it isn't about winning? Hell, the Dez story is a perfect example of why Dallas is America's Team.

Then he got all noble and talked about how until Dez speaks up for himself, that he, people who look like him (Dez), people that may come from his background, and others who feel voiceless, no matter what their ethnicity is, what your culture is, what your environment is, what your classification is, as in rich, poor, affluent, whatever, and thought you were voiceless...you were wrong. You have me.

That lost me. His entire positive spiel about how he was defending Dez went away and I realized all he did was say he's the good guy. He didn't even defend Dez. He said, if something comes out, deal with him. He didn't like the rush to judgment. I get that. I don't either. I don't know anyone else talking about this trying to be the hero.

I will say one thing. He did say in this piece that he is not insinuating that these rumors came from the Cowboys...because he said that would be irresponsible. That I agree with. It isn't as irresponsible as what happened with this story. Dez got convicted in the court of public opinion, stirred by reporters who in year's past were taught to report the news, not manufacture it. I don't know about you TD, but I personally can't see Sham, Luksa, or Sherrod being a party to this kind of yellow journalism. I was personally thrilled to see noted Cowboys critic Dale Hansen, not be a party to this. He may be caustic, but he's professional. I didn't look to see if some of the other old school guys jumped on or not. I believe for the most part our DFW guys questioned the national media guys who were pushing this. I didn't see Tim McMahon for instance, a noted idiot in my book, pushing this as hard as Rappaport. I didn't see our guys at the driver's seats or in the pit crews.

Now, I do think a few of them reported on the growing story, but for the most part they showed the kind of restraint SAS is preaching here. The one flaw I find is that no matter how many times the Cowboys brass said they do not know of any video, and that nothing was swaying their opinion of Dez, it seemed to be a sidebar to the made up story. I find that wrong.

Let me be real succinct here. I am no fan of Jerry really. I don't think he's the awful human being some do. I don't think he's a saint either. He's got flaws. Crooked like this idea is not one of them. I will categorically say, the Dallas Cowboys did NOT float this story to try and keep interest in him down (They can franchise him for crying out loud. That keeps interest down), and he is going to end up with a huge deal. Nothing about that conspiracy theory makes sense to me.

But what do I know TD? I'm a guy, who despite thinking of myself as pretty intelligent, sat on the edge of my seat waiting for this video to show the light of day. I'm as gullible as anyone.
 

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...he is not insinuating that these rumors came from the Cowboys...because he said that would be irresponsible.

And yet a jury cannot unhear testimony that was stricken from the record. So too SAS because some people will hear what they want to hear in that statement of his. Filter out all the denial and focus on what becomes an accusation.
 
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