Stephen Jones is a terrible negotiator

[Nation]

Sorry, but the chart I'm looking at is working for everyone else but Dallas.
How is that we lose both when we are trading up AND trading down. If the chert was wrong it would devalue it one way or the other...not both ways.

Because the values change from year to year and from team to team based on who is available to be drafted. If you and another team do not have more than 20 players graded as first rounders it's going to cost a lot less to move up from say 40 to 24 than in a year when 30 players are graded as first rounders.

 

[Eddie]

Because the values change from year to year and from team to team based on who is available to be drafted. If you and another team do not have more than 20 players graded as first rounders it's going to cost a lot less to move up from say 40 to 24 than in a year when 30 players are graded as first rounders.

Values change from year to year for the Cowboys.

Last year, trade down 14 spots in the 1st round ... get a third rounder.

This year, move up 14 sports in the 2nd round ... give up a third rounder.

Someone wasn't paying attention in math class.

 

[Hostile]

Values change from year to year for the Cowboys.

Last year, trade down 14 spots in the 1st round ... get a third rounder.

This year, move up 14 sports in the 2nd round ... give up a third rounder.

Someone wasn't paying attention in math class.

Regardless of how far they traded either time, isn't the goal to get players who can help you? We needed an RDE. One that we had rated much higher was there. So we did what we had to do to get him. Isn't it really just that simple ultimately?

Probably not. There is always some convoluted conspiracy theory.

 

[honyock]

Regardless of how far they traded either time, isn't the goal to get players who can help you? We needed an RDE. One that we had rated much higher was there. So we did what we had to do to get him. Isn't it really just that simple ultimately?

Probably not. There is always some convoluted conspiracy theory.

I don't think it's that simple over time. If a team makes a habit of sacrificing picks to move up, it's probably going to cost them over time unless their scouting is better than average. You'll hit some and miss some, but unless your player evaluation is better than the league average, it'll likely cost you over time to have that strategy.

Having said that, it all comes down to whether they got it right on the scouting and Lawrence delivers. I hope like heck they got it right and he's a stud.

 

[Risen Star]

Values change from year to year for the Cowboys.

Last year, trade down 14 spots in the 1st round ... get a third rounder.

This year, move up 14 sports in the 2nd round ... give up a third rounder.

Someone wasn't paying attention in math class.

I think teams are well aware of the incompetence in Dallas and handle the negotiations accordingly.

The bottom line is this team rarely ever finds value, they almost always pay through the nose for anything quality, and that speaks to the two frauds running this team.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

no but a 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. i'm not expecting the full 70 points back but at least get a 6th or even 7th back for God's sakes. is this too much to ask from your lead negotiator who contributes nothing else to the organization?

Again. Stuck on that draft chart.

GIVE ME MY 70 POINTS! DURRRR

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's Jerry. They have to find fault in something. They're still pissed he ruined the fun by passing on Manziel

Yup. Makes no sense.

We had an awesome off season and in the first three rounds found our rde and solidified our offensive line for a decade.

I can dig it.

 

[dstovall5]

Stephen Jones negotiating with Washington

Stephen Jones - "So how much would it take for us to move up and swap 1st rounders?"

Washington - "We were looking for no less than a 4th rounder in return."

Stephen Jones - "4th rounder? That's asking a little too much, I'll give you my 3rd!"

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Interesting how we are always on the short side of that draft value chart.

Can someone post all the trades that are made? It'd be interesting to see what the value chart says for other trades.

Also always being in the middle of rounds is a bad position to be in.

For instance we wanted to trade down yesterday but couldn't.

There were probably deals to be made but we considered them to be bad. People act like we take anything offered. It's dumb.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Stephen Jones negotiating with Washington

Stephen Jones - "So how much would it take for us to move up and swap 1st rounders?"

Washington - "We were looking for no less than a 4th rounder in return."

Stephen Jones - "4th rounder? That's asking a little too much, I'll give you my 3rd!"

I don't like giving up the 3rd.

But that's not how it occurred according to what the folks reported on The Ticket.

 

[Nation]

Values change from year to year for the Cowboys.

Last year, trade down 14 spots in the 1st round ... get a third rounder.

This year, move up 14 sports in the 2nd round ... give up a third rounder.

Someone wasn't paying attention in math class.

It's because there is a massive difference in this years draft quality than last years. Look at the cost to trade up for Dion Jordan in 2013 compared to the cost of moving up for Sammy Watkins in 2014. Don't get me wrong, I think Jerry and Stephen are morons, but it is just as stupid to rely on a chart from 1993 to determine draft pick value. Pick 35 in 2014 has had a different value in 2013, in 2003, and in 1993.

 

[Picksix]

This team doesn't value their draft picks.They constantly give them away.They make moves like they're 1 player away.It's hard to respect their philosophy on how to build a football team.That is if they have a philosophy.

They are using the draft to a build football team. They're just doing it in specific way, targeting specific players, and doing what they need to do to get those players. Having a high number of picks, and using all those picks, is nice, and I don't like seeing them give up a 2nd to get Mo, or a 3rd to get DLaw. Certainly didn't like seeing them give up what they did to get RW. But so many draft picks flame out, for any team. If you have to give up quantity for quality, then so be it. If the guys you take work out, then you end up better off.

What hurts is having a situation like Claiborne, or RW, where they don't live up to the deal, which makes it very easy to question the trade. But just keeping and using all your picks doesn't mean you'll end up with a better draft.

 

[BAZ]

People can only speculate now but if he pans out like Claiborne and you helped the Slurs it a disaster. Seems needlessly risky.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

“He was the last guy we really had in terms of the right-end spot,” Stephen Jones said. “We knew we might have to give up a little more than maybe the charts read out. That happens sometimes when you want a guy and we really wanted this guy. We didn’t want to lose him. We worked through the deal. We sweetened the pot a little bit and got the deal done.”

LINK

Just in case some missed it.

They got the man they wanted.
They did not want to have another scenario like Max Unger a few years ago

People get that.

However there should be NO...again NO argument that we overpaid in trade value because the man who made the trade said we did. If you want to argue that we did not overpay forthe trade value...argue with the man who worked out the trade...Stephen Jones.

Now time will tell if it was worth it.

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[BAZ]

But just keeping and using all your picks doesn't mean you'll end up with a better draft.

But it does increase the odds of hitting on one. You throw enough stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[Risen Star]

People can only speculate now but if he pans out like Claiborne and you helped the Slurs it a disaster. Seems needlessly risky.

Dallas
2(34) Demarcus Lawrence DE Boise St.

Washington
2(47) Trent Murphy OLB Stanford
3(78) Spencer Long G Nebraska

Now I don't think this is the way you evaluate a trade because had the Cowboys retained those picks they wouldn't have picked the players the Commanders did, but I don't fear what the Commanders got with those picks. Murphy was a decent 3 and Long should have been drafted today at some point. Probably in the 5th round area.

They stole Morgan Moses but that had nothing to do with this trade.

 

[conner01]

I'd bet Washington had more than one offer to trade.

people tend to forget that when two teams are bidding the price is going up. every trade is not by the chart. if more than one team wnats the player as in this case then it's gonna cost more
but we got who i think is the second best edge rusher in the draft and a position we really need

 

[Frosty]

When you trade inside the division you are most likely going to have to pay a premium. If he is the player they think he is the points dont mean squat.

IMO that means they had a hard time finding a

Real front offices? You mean the one that gave up 3 firsts and a second for RGIII? The one that took the picks they got from us and took Murphy and Long? We were in a bidding war with Atlanta for a player we very much wanted and needed, so the price was driven up. I don't like giving up a 3rd either, and time will tell if it was a smart move, but judging the FO based on a very limited perspective is just that...limited. There's always more to the story.

I hear what you are saying, but the FO's (GM's) history speaks for its self. Immediately after the pick DC.com posted.. Demarcus 2.0 like they found the next Demarcus Ware....quickly set the kid up for failure.... is moving up 13picks a WIN... they panicked

like the pick... just not the price paid and expectation that will be placed on this kid.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Dallas
2(34) Demarcus Lawrence DE Boise St.

Washington
2(47) Trent Murphy OLB Stanford
3(78) Spencer Long G Nebraska

Now I don't think this is the way you evaluate a trade because had the Cowboys retained those picks they wouldn't have picked the players the Commanders did, but I don't fear what the Commanders got with those picks. Murphy was a decent 3 and Long should have been drafted today at some point. Probably in the 5th round area.

They stole Morgan Moses but that had nothing to do with this trade.

Long could turn out to be a good player. I think he was slotted to go later however I think that was also due to him being injured. Your point is still valid though.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

IMO that means they had a hard time finding a


I hear what you are saying, but the FO's (GM's) history speaks for its self. Immediately after the pick DC.com posted.. Demarcus 2.0 like they found the next Demarcus Ware....quickly set the kid up for failure.... is moving up 13picks a WIN... they panicked

like the pick... just not the price paid and expectation that will be placed on this kid.
The front office does make moves similar to RG3.....ala.. Roy Williams (WR) Joey Galloway

LOL I get most of your post however I think it is a little too much to Rip Jerry or the team for what some writer at DC.Com titles an article about a player...especially when the First Names are the same.

I doubt anyone there thinks he is Demarcus Ware 2.0