Stoops to the XFL

[jazzcat22]

Wonder if the XFL refs will be better than the NFL refs.

 

[jazzcat22]

Come on.

Bill took an awul team and made them playoff contenders immediately and he never had a QB until his last season.

Garrett would've been Campo quality or worse with some of those teams Bill had.

Ans still no NFCCG or SB appearances.

 

[CATCH17]

Ans still no NFCCG or SB appearances.

lol we were lucky to make the playoffs with those rosters.

What Bill did should be applauded.

He gave this team a foundation and direction.

 

[CouchCoach]

If the XFL starts making it big, hence starts paying their players pretty good and allows very good players to jump over to the NFL a few years down the road, I'm pretty sure many high school graduates will take that road $$$$.

Why wouldn't they? They could spend their first 3-4 years getting paid and not going to all of those brain bending sports management classes and still have the opportunity for the NFL.

The question is does this become the farm club for the NFL because of the disparity of dollars involved or can they fight the lure of bigger bucks for the better XFL players?

The XFL has Adrian Peterson to thank for starting up because he decided not to sue the NFL over the 3 year rule because I have little doubt he would have won, their reasoning for this rule is ridiculous and if the XFL gets any traction, I look for that to change.

 

[OmerV]

Yep.

TCU may have had a good record but they still are nothing compared to Oklahoma.

This isn't the NFL. The talent gap is much wider between OU and TCU.

OU beating TCU is nothing more then them taking care of business because TCU doesn't have near the resources as OU. In fact I applaud their coach more then I do Stoops for doing so much with less talent.

Stoops had it easy after the very early 2000's. He built it and got fat and happy.

TCU finished #3 in the national rankings the year before, and you are telling me they were a sub par program when they finished #7 in 2015?

Besides, being as good as Oklahoma isn't the point anyway. The point is you were claiming the Big 12 wasn't a competitive conference with competitive teams, and that's plain false. If you are going to discredit Oklahoma and Stoops because other teams in the conference weren't as good in 2015, you have to discredit the winner of every conference because the other teams weren't as good. That's how it works - the winner of the conference is the best in the conference. That doesn't somehow apply only to the Big 12.

And, again, how big do you think the talent gap was in the SEC between the #1 team and #2 team? Do you really think Ole Miss measured up to Alabama?

 

[CouchCoach]

Stoops was a defensive coach that always had terrible defenses and relied on his offenses, weak schedule, superior talent, and homefield advantage to create the mirage that he was a good coach.

The game passed him by quick and he became a dime a dozen coach that was good at keeping the status quo.

Stoops biggest mistake was nepotism. He replaced his DC, who ended up at Clemson, with his brother.

College HC's are all about superior talent and he held his own in that department. He pulled more 4 star plus players out of Texas than the Texas schools could keep. However, they are staging a comeback, Texas ended up with the 3rd ranked recruiting class, the only non SEC in the top 5.

 

[Pantone282C]

Yep.

TCU may have had a good record but they still are nothing compared to Oklahoma.

This isn't the NFL. The talent gap is much wider between OU and TCU.

OU beating TCU is nothing more then them taking care of business because TCU doesn't have near the resources as OU. In fact I applaud their coach more then I do Stoops for doing so much with less talent.

Stoops had it easy after the very early 2000's. He built it and got fat and happy.

Hard to go wrong with AP, Demarco Murray, and Bradford, among others.

 

[CATCH17]

TCU finished #3 in the national rankings the year before, and you are telling me they were a sub par program when they finished #7 in 2015?

And, again, how big do you think the talent gap was in the SEC between the #1 team and #2 team? Do you really think Ole Miss measured up to Alabama?

You're really making me want to hire this TCU coach.

He doesn't seem as talent dependent as Stoops.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yep.

TCU may have had a good record but they still are nothing compared to Oklahoma.

This isn't the NFL. The talent gap is much wider between OU and TCU.

OU beating TCU is nothing more then them taking care of business because TCU doesn't have near the resources as OU. In fact I applaud their coach more then I do Stoops for doing so much with less talent.

Stoops had it easy after the very early 2000's. He built it and got fat and happy.

LMAO, like Saban, Fisher, Swinney and Smart is on his way. That is the goal, to get fat and happy and build a recruiting juggernaut that is perpetuating.

What I don't get is how does Saban even lose a game? The largest coaching staff in all of college football and nothing but 4 and 5 stars sitting on the bench, the most in the game.

Back when Prescott had Miss State high in the rankings and they were playing Bama, they showed two players on the sideline, neither one Prescott, and said these are Miss St's only 4 star recruits. They did not show the only two players on Bama's sideline that were not at least 4 stars. Success begets success in college, which is why many of the college coaches do not transition to the NFL very well.

 

[CouchCoach]

You're really making me want to hire this TCU coach.

He doesn't seem as talent dependent as Stoops.

Gary Patterson is an excellent coach and as good as there is in getting the most out of his team. Mike Gundy, OSU, is good as well and a WR wunderkind.

 

[CATCH17]

LMAO, like Saban, Fisher, Swinney and Smart is on his way. That is the goal, to get fat and happy and build a recruiting juggernaut that is perpetuating.

What I don't get is how does Saban even lose a game? The largest coaching staff in all of college football and nothing but 4 and 5 stars sitting on the bench, the most in the game.

Back when Prescott had Miss State high in the rankings and they were playing Bama, they showed two players on the sideline, neither one Prescott, and said these are Miss St's only 4 star recruits. They did not show the only two players on Bama's sideline that were not at least 4 stars. Success begets success in college, which is why many of the college coaches do not transition to the NFL very well.

The difference with some of those guys you named is when they got to the big stage they actually win some of those games.

OU had a magical year in 2000. It ended after that and Stoops got it handed to him in every National Title game after that.

The USC game? Unreal. Peter Carroll schooled him.

Saban got him. Urban Meyer got him.


If Dallas wants another clapper that says the right things but offers nothing else then Stoops is a great candidate but he is not a great coach.


I want the next great X's and O's guy. Payton, McVay, Belichick, Andy Reid. I'll pass on Clappers.

 

[Fletch]

If the XFL starts making it big, hence starts paying their players pretty good and allows very good players to jump over to the NFL a few years down the road, I'm pretty sure many high school graduates will take that road $$$$.

NCAA will not lose their grip on football. XFL is a fringe league. NCAA will evolve if needed because it’s a cash cow. Yes, there will be some young kids take the route you mentioned, but college football is a pageantry, it’s not going anywhere.

 

[Sammy]

If the XFL makes a hit with viewers on Saturdays, it is going to run College 1A football out of business.

Wiki says it will be a 10 week season with 2 weeks post season played in the winter and spring. I assume there will be a couple weeks in between the two.

I expect the season to start after college is done, and probably after the Superbowl too. It'll probably complete with AAF which will lose because cbssports is expensive to access, whilst XFL is supposed to play on ABC every Saturday afternoon and ESPN on Saturday evenings. ABC is free, and I can access ESPN for half the cost of finding a cbssports stream.

NCAA will not lose their grip on football. XFL is a fringe league. NCAA will evolve if needed because it’s a cash cow. Yes, there will be some young kids take the route you mentioned, but college football is a pageantry, it’s not going anywhere.

I agree. Most of the kids going directly to the XFL will be those who aren't college material. They usually try to make it in junior college, but there are some who aren't junior college material either. They can use the XFL as a more direct route to the NFL.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree. Most of the kids going directly to the XFL will be those who aren't college material. They usually try to make it in junior college, but there are some who aren't junior college material either. They can use the XFL as a more direct route to the NFL.

If they could somehow pay high school recruits who want to play for a couple years and leave then it wouldn't surprise me if they get some of those kids.

 

[jazzcat22]

lol we were lucky to make the playoffs with those rosters.

What Bill did should be applauded.

He gave this team a foundation and direction.

I am not denying that nor saying Bill was bad for the team. He was as bad as he was good IMO, but more on the good side.
I was saying just because fans think Jerry should bring in an authorative type HC does not mean he will be successful.
I understand the reasoning, and actually would not mind it. But I won't automatically think it translates into multiple SB's just because it is a hot name in coaching.

Jerry tried to keep what Bill started going. He kept the 3-4 defense by hiring Wade. But too many over paid aging under achieving players were on the roster and it got derailed and came crashing down.

 

[CouchCoach]

NCAA will not lose their grip on football. XFL is a fringe league. NCAA will evolve if needed because it’s a cash cow. Yes, there will be some young kids take the route you mentioned, but college football is a pageantry, it’s not going anywhere.

Then they will have to start paying the athletes and if the XFL has deep enough pockets, there are a lot of kids that need money for their families that will jump at that. However, if they want to pull any marquis NFL players, they will have to have personal services contracts like Herschel Walker had.

All going to come down to what it always comes down to, money. Can an 18 year old kid play 3 years of college ball to build career equity for his first 4 years greater than what he can make in the XFL for 3 years? I agree, the XFL is a long shot to make it because that have to come out of the chute really strong and they have to have very deep pockets to lose money initially.

The problem the XFL has is the same one Quizno's had. What was their uniqueness? Toasted sandwiches. And how did Subway respond to the threat? All the NFL has to do is change their 3 year rule and college ball can't blame them now because of the XFL. They want to anyway, they just didn't want the NCAA crossways with them. And the XFL paying for 8 games against the NFL paying for 16?

 

[OmerV]

You're really making me want to hire this TCU coach.

He doesn't seem as talent dependent as Stoops.

Gary Patterson has been very successful at TCU, and I'm sure you are right that he has done it with less talent than Stoops. But he also has drop off years - he might have 2-4 years of great records and high rankings, then a 1-2 years of mediocrity, then he picks up with some outstanding years again. I assume it may be because he doesn't have the luxury of having the constant stable of top talent that can just step up without the team missing a beat whenever key players graduate.

 

[blueblood70]

XFL Stoops NOT NFL - Cowboys wrong place to post..you in luv with OK ? IDC really..

 

[CouchCoach]

XFL Stoops NOT NFL - Cowboys wrong place to post..you in luv with OK ? IDC really..

He put it here because of the link from the Cowboys to Stoops for years. Most in OK expected him to go to the Cowboys when he left OU.

 

[blueblood70]

He put it here because of the link from the Cowboys to Stoops for years. Most in OK expected him to go to the Cowboys when he left OU.

you mean the hype that never was true, how does that fit here?now its te other OK coach.. this isnt about playing 6 degrees to the Cowboys page..this has zero to do with the NFL or the Cowboys belongs over in News or drama

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