Stopping the New Romo Myth

[AsthmaField]

Forget the running game? I doubt that.

Now panic and abandon if it does not work out very well? Absolutely, especially with unreliable RBs we have on the roster.

lol

 

[Clove]

Up here, everyone talks about how Russell Wilson walks on water, despite the fact the fact that he's had the #1 ranked defense for two years now, and one of the top running games in the NFL. But then they talk about Romo, and say just what you said - that the only reason he "didn't choke" this year was because of Murray, and now we're back to being screwed without him. They didn't notice that pretty much every time we needed a big play in the second half of the season, it was a pass. They forget about Murray's fumbling issues, especially the one in the GB game. They fail to take into consideration that our defense should be much improved this year. And they forget that we took the best running OL in football and made it better.

Nope, we're back to being screwed.

Off the top of your head, name one Seattle wide receiver. I can't think of one either. We have Dez & Witten, well known. Yet, he still won, or made it to the Super Bowl.
We had the number 2 rushing attack, and a top offense with a solid defense. Yet...

 

[Alexander]

We had the number 2 rushing attack, and a top offense with a solid defense. Yet...

Solid defense?

 

[Clove]

When you deal with Romo, all stats have to be thrown out the window. He will be measured by the stupidity in games like the ones that always sends us home at the end of the season. Those games are what makes or breaks you. And plain and simple, he's a numb-skull in games like that. He continuously makes rookie mistakes. And I don't care how good you are, if you can't get it together in those do or die games, then you're a generic Danny White.

 

[Clove]

Solid defense?

I've seen teams with terrible defenses make it to the Super Bowl. How do we explain that?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

When you deal with Romo, all stats have to be thrown out the window. He will be measured by the stupidity in games like the ones that always sends us home at the end of the season. Those games are what makes or breaks you. And plain and simple, he's a numb-skull in games like that. He continuously makes rookie mistakes. And I don't care how good you are, if you can't get it together in those do or die games, then you're a generic Danny White.

Have you been drinking again? You blacked out for the entire 2014 season.

 

[Alexander]

I've seen teams with terrible defenses make it to the Super Bowl. How do we explain that?

The worst defensive teams I have seen win a Super Bowl are the 2006 Colts and a couple of the Raider teams in the 1980s. It is hardly common place.

 

[DFWJC]

Off the top of your head, name one Seattle wide receiver. I can't think of one either. We have Dez & Witten, well known. Yet, he still won, or made it to the Super Bowl.
We had the number 2 rushing attack, and a top offense with a solid defense. Yet...

I'm one that actually likes Wilson a lot.
However...
Seattle had THE top running game and THE top defense....by a very large margin

These are not at all comparable.

QBs like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have won Super Bowls given that situation.

 

[Galian Beast]

That is a lie.

I never mentioned that he was less effective than the league's elite QB's in this thread.

YOU are putting those words in my mouth to try to create a point.

I have stated that I don't care about the other QB's because it doesn't matter since we are talking about Romo and trying to play to Romo's strengths.

And even if we want to use your argument, it is still patently false.

Romo has had the 3 worst seasons of any of the QB's you mentioned when it comes to throwing 31+ passes. So he HAS been less effective than those QB's.

It would be like saying that if I had a QB that had a 120 QB rating before 30 attempts and was at 100 QB rating at 31+ attempts, that QB is 'less effective' than the QB that starts with a 100 QB rating prior to 31 attempts and then is at 85 QB rating after 31 attempts because the 2nd QB had a smaller drop-off rate.

And you never mentioned Rodgers, widely considered arguably the top QB in the league that has a *higher* QB rating once he gets to 31+ attempts. And not using Romo's 2010 season is another example of cherry picking. I could see if he got injured and came back and was fighting injuries. But, he was perfectly healthy until the Giants game and when he threw the ball more that season, his QB rating plummeted.


But again...I don't care about other QB's since that doesn't have to do with Romo. It's just your entire argument is invalid.






YR

Please differentiate the games in which romo threw 30+ times while maintaining a lead as opposed to coming from behind.

 

[percyhoward]

Romo has had the 3 worst seasons of any of the QB's you mentioned when it comes to throwing 31+ passes. So he HAS been less effective than those QB's.

He's also been more effective than they have, depending on which season you look at. Instead of focusing on any one player's best or worst seasons, you can simply pick a time frame and then compare all the seasons. If we had an easy way to look at each QB's last 80 games, we would. The best we can do (other than going back and looking at each individual game) is look at their last five full seasons. Not four for some QB, and five for others, and 4 and1/3 for Romo -- but all five full seasons for all five QB.

And when we do that we see that Brady, Manning, Romo, and Brees all suffer similar drop offs, and Rodgers doesn't. (Again, I refer you to the link provided for a discussion of the things that affect all these players' ratings, including Rodgers.) The research shows that four of the five highest-rated passers over the last five seasons suffer very similar drop offs after 30 attempts in a game. The list below is copied directly from my first response to you on this subject.

difference in passer rating after 30 attempts
Rodgers +5.9
Brady -8.1
PManning -8.8
Romo -10.5
Brees -11.1

There's nothing to support a conclusion that less "Romo" is more.

 

[percyhoward]

Please differentiate the games in which romo threw 30+ times while maintaining a lead as opposed to coming from behind.

games entering 4th qtr leading by more than one score
Brady 38
PManning 35
Rodgers 35
Brees 28
Romo 18

games entering 4th qtr trailing
Romo 46
Brees 34
Brady 28
PManning 28
Rodgers 27

 

[Idgit]

I've seen teams with terrible defenses make it to the Super Bowl. How do we explain that?

That's an easy one: you see lots of things that aren't really happening when you watch football, apparently.

 

[Clove]

That's an easy one: you see lots of things that aren't really happening when you watch football, apparently.

Okay, that actually made me laugh out loud. Well done

 

[erod]

When you deal with Romo, all stats have to be thrown out the window. He will be measured by the stupidity in games like the ones that always sends us home at the end of the season. Those games are what makes or breaks you. And plain and simple, he's a numb-skull in games like that. He continuously makes rookie mistakes. And I don't care how good you are, if you can't get it together in those do or die games, then you're a generic Danny White.

Ridiculous. He made mistakes in games that the team had no business being in. Those were 3-13 rosters that Romo carried on his back.

He played brilliantly last year in the playoffs with a REAL team. He will again this year.

 

[Clove]

I'm one that actually likes Wilson a lot.
However...
Seattle had THE top running game and THE top defense....by a very large margin

These are not at all comparable.

QBs like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have won Super Bowls given that situation.

Super Bowl XLVl - Giants over the Patriots in 2011 - Giants with the 27th ranked defense, won the Super Bowl. Giants rushing defense was LAST, I repeat, LAST in the league. The Patriots, who the Giants were playing in the Super Bowl, had the 31ST, I repeat, 31st defense in the league. For those not following, that's next to last in defense. Yet they were 4 points away from winning the Super bowl. Oh yeah, they had the 20th best rushing offense.

So my calculations say, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES WHY WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE SUPER BOWL. So please stop it, homers.

 

[5Stars]

Super Bowl XLVl - Giants over the Patriots in 2011 - Giants with the 27th ranked defense, won the Super Bowl. Giants rushing defense was LAST, I repeat, LAST in the league. The Patriots, who the Giants were playing in the Super Bowl, had the 31ST, I repeat, 31st defense in the league. For those not following, that's next to last in defense. Yet they were 4 points away from winning the Super bowl. Oh yeah, they had the 20th best rushing offense.

So my calculations say, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES WHY WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE SUPER BOWL. So please stop it, homers.

You must be drinking already! You just dogged the hell out of Romo and now you are saying the team can make it to the SB? Judas strikes again.

 

[Clove]

Last thing and I'll move along. People keep saying Brad Johnson & Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls and my response is, I don't care. I don't care if Weeden wins us the next Super Bowl, I just want one.

 

[Clove]

You must be drinking already! You just dogged the hell out of Romo and now you are saying the team can make it to the SB? Judas strikes again.

I said, there are no excuses why we can't. Yet we can't. Reason = Romo

 

[5Stars]

Last thing and I'll move along. People keep saying Brad Johnson & Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls and my response is, I don't care. I don't care if Weeden wins us the next Super Bowl, I just want one.

Please do...!

 

[erod]

I said, there are no excuses why we can't. Yet we can't. Reason = Romo

There are LOTS of reasons why they didn't. The Cowboys sucked, that's why. They had Romo and a bunch of clowns in a Volkswagen.

The guy had a 125 QB rating with four touchdowns and no interceptions in the playoffs last year. Did you watch? And if Dez hangs on to the football and they get to Seattle, he's outplaying Brady last January, too.