Stopping the 'Tush Push' (Eagles QB sneak)

[erod]

How would it be possible for a safety to have a running shot at his knee on this play. He is literally sandwiched inside his own teammates. I don’t see that as being very likely.

Every time is not the same. The opportunity will come.

And it doesn't have to be Hurts. Whoever is outside gets a sledgehammer to the knee or ankle.

Let attrition set in.

 

[mcmvp]

Every time is not the same. The opportunity will come.

And it doesn't have to be Hurts. Whoever is outside gets a sledgehammer to the knee or ankle.

Let attrition set in.

I just don’t see it happening… But we’ll see

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think the main issue is Hurts has freakishly powerful legs, and he's built low to the ground. He could be top tier tailback.

Dak is too tall, as are many quarterbacks, to do it as effectively. Mahomes does it, but he always gets blasted with his helmet half turned around, so KC should avoid it.

It's a problem. Sometimes I think Philly could run it every play and March down the field at 4-5 yards a clip.

But I also know Quinn and others are working on it, and teams will learn to get their shots in low on Eagle players, including Hurts. How does a helmet in the side of your knee from a safety at full speed around the corner feel, buddy?

Tom Brady in NE used to do it at a high level too. What gets it going is the IOL diving in unison off the snap. Hurts may be better but that is really not the key.

 

[kskboys]

Yup. You stop it by making him pay. Dearly.

Which is how you stop a running QB anyway, hit him hard and often.

That's what's been happening to Lamar. Teams have learned to simply hit him. Lamar is so successful due to his extreme lateral agility and elusiveness. So, take some of that spring out of his step, stop him before he gets going, stuff like that.

 

[SuperBowlz]

I think the main issue is Hurts has freakishly powerful legs, and he's built low to the ground. He could be top tier tailback.

Dak is too tall, as are many quarterbacks, to do it as effectively. Mahomes does it, but he always gets blasted with his helmet half turned around, so KC should avoid it.

It's a problem. Sometimes I think Philly could run it every play and March down the field at 4-5 yards a clip.

But I also know Quinn and others are working on it, and teams will learn to get their shots in low on Eagle players, including Hurts. How does a helmet in the side of your knee from a safety at full speed around the corner feel, buddy?

People keep bringing up this dirty play idea and never stop to think "Hey, if we go after Hurts knee it will teach them" instead of "Hey, have Lane Johnson stand Micah Parson up and have the guard blow out his knee". It works both ways

 

[kskboys]

People keep bringing up this dirty play idea and never stop to think "Hey, if we go after Hurts knee it will teach them" instead of "Hey, have Lane Johnson stand Micah Parson up and have the guard blow out his knee". It works both ways

Which is why you don't play dirty.

However, playing hard and putting a hit on him is allowed.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Yup. You stop it by making him pay. Dearly.

Which is how you stop a running QB anyway, hit him hard and often.

That's what's been happening to Lamar. Teams have learned to simply hit him. Lamar is so successful due to his extreme lateral agility and elusiveness. So, take some of that spring out of his step, stop him before he gets going, stuff like that.

I just don't think it's a situation where he can get hit really hard. It's just a huge scrum.

 

[Havic]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

100%, keep them out of 3/1 4/1 situations

 

[SuperBowlz]

Every time is not the same. The opportunity will come.

And it doesn't have to be Hurts. Whoever is outside gets a sledgehammer to the knee or ankle.

Let attrition set in.

Smart. Dallas can start blowing out the Eagles knees and they won't be smart enough to retaliate on Micah Parsons.

 

[erod]

People keep bringing up this dirty play idea and never stop to think "Hey, if we go after Hurts knee it will teach them" instead of "Hey, have Lane Johnson stand Micah Parson up and have the guard blow out his knee". It works both ways

And it happens all the time. See Pollard.

 

[erod]

Tom Brady in NE used to do it at a high level too. What gets it going is the IOL diving in unison off the snap. Hurts may be better but that is really not the key.

If that's what it is, it should be the easiest thing to practice in football. It could be mastered in a day.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If that's what it is, it should be the easiest thing to practice in football. It could be mastered in a day.

I wouldn't say that. I would say that it takes a lot of practice and experience to get the OL to work in tandem off the snap to the level of the Eagles or Patriots. The QB too but it does not require him to be a great athlete even if it helps.

The size and power of the OL coming off the ball in tandem is what is key.

It's a run play with little to read beyond path of lest resistance for the QB. Given a run play I would think it understood it starts with OL performance.

 

[kskboys]

I just don't think it's a situation where he can get hit really hard. It's just a huge scrum.

Disagree.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Disagree.

Elaborate. There's a wall of people in front of him and to the sides. I can't remember a time seeing someone getting smashed in a scrum. Everyone is so low and there doesn't seem to be a way to get a clear shot on the QB?

 

[mcmvp]

Elaborate. There's a wall of people in front of him and to the sides. I can't remember a time seeing someone getting smashed in a scrum. Everyone is so low and there doesn't seem to be a way to get a clear shot on the QB?

There isn’t the opportunity…that was my point earlier on this topic. It would have to be after the play was over and very blatant, and basically result in the suspension of the player.

 

[SuperBowlz]

There isn’t the opportunity…that was my point earlier on this topic. It would have to be after the play was over and very blatant, and basically result in the suspension of the player.

I agree with you. I just don't see a way for someone to levels hard hit on a QB in a scrum. I also don't get this strategy on purposely and illegally blowing out his knees. The Eagles could do the same exact thing back.

 

[kskboys]

Elaborate. There's a wall of people in front of him and to the sides. I can't remember a time seeing someone getting smashed in a scrum. Everyone is so low and there doesn't seem to be a way to get a clear shot on the QB?

There are always openings.

 

[xwalker]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

Mazi and Hankins together will help.

Don't let them get to 3rd or 4th and short...

 

[CCBoy]

I agree with you. I just don't see a way for someone to levels hard hit on a QB in a scrum. I also don't get this strategy on purposely and illegally blowing out his knees. The Eagles could do the same exact thing back.

No right way to do the wrong thing...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think Mazi Smith is a good first step here. What I'd do is load up both Hankins and Mazi Smith in the middle to clog up the A gaps. That way, the C and guards can't get any push. I'd have a DT like Odigazuwa in the MLB spot right between them to try to push them back as well. Then, for the B gaps, I'd have our DEs creating push with LBs behind them. Essentially, go size for size. If the oline can't get push, then stopping Hurts becomes easier.