Strikeforce/M1 Global: Fedor vs Werdum

[DallasDomination]

I just saw this fight on youtube.

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It reminds me a little of the first Lesnar - Mir fight. In other words, it looks to me like Werdum got very lucky and in a rematch he will get seriously hurt just like Mir did.

JMO. Those who know this game better can tell me I am wrong, but I don't think he could do that again.

100% AGREE

 

[DallasDomination]

I do not understand why everyone is so dedicated to the fight promotions. Pride is better. UFC is better. Strikeforce is better. I don't care which one was or is better.

That was a good fight. I gained a lot of respect for Noguera whom I have only seen fight one time and lost badly to Mir.

Fedor needed some of that and he kills Werdum. I think he thought he hurt him and it was going to be over. He dove in and got caught.

Look up Jose Aldo that guy can flat out fight!

 

[Hostile]

Look up Jose Aldo that guy can flat out fight!

I sure will. Thanks.

 

[Hoofbite]

I dont think he even connected, looked like Fedor get suckered into it

This guys strength is BJJ and he wanted that fight on the ground.

I kind of thought the same.

 

[DemonBlood]

Fabricio got revenge for his old friend Mirko.

I knew if Fedor ever lost that's how it would go down. Tap or get your arm broken.

Also, please don't tell me people are using that fight to pump up Brock beating Fedor? Ugh, get a life. When Brock some how becomes a black belt in BJJ like Fabricio call me.

It's going to be hilarious if Shane beats Brock. All the UFC fanboys will go from "RARW Brock would kill Fedor!" to "RARW Shane would kill Fedor!" in a hurry. Flavor of the month.

 

[jterrell]

Good, because I hate being all alone in the dark.

It's because MMA fans are generally babies.

They are all new to the sport and so many ONLY have been exposed to the UFC. They don't care that Dana White treats his fighters like crap or that he shoots down every effort by fighters to make more money. They simply care that the UFC has shows on Spike.

End of the day the UFC has the most talented roster top to bottom; without question. But also is the main one responsible for NOT allowing it's fighters to face opponents from other fight orgs. Why???

Probably because back in the UFC/Pride days, Dana sent Liddell to face Rampage Jackson of Pride. Rampage destroyed Chuck twice and the UFC looked bad.

So Dana bought out a fledgling org who had Rampage(not Pride but some California circuit) just to reel him in.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Its also human to pick an allegience. Similar to the cell phone nerds

Or the console people

We all want to be on a side

Brock Smash!!!

 

[TheCount]

It's because MMA fans are generally babies.

They are all new to the sport and so many ONLY have been exposed to the UFC. They don't care that Dana White treats his fighters like crap or that he shoots down every effort by fighters to make more money. They simply care that the UFC has shows on Spike.

End of the day the UFC has the most talented roster top to bottom; without question. But also is the main one responsible for NOT allowing it's fighters to face opponents from other fight orgs. Why???

Probably because back in the UFC/Pride days, Dana sent Liddell to face Rampage Jackson of Pride. Rampage destroyed Chuck twice and the UFC looked bad.

So Dana bought out a fledgling org who had Rampage(not Pride but some California circuit) just to reel him in.

So he sent his best fighter to face someone that beat his best fighter twice... so he acquired the fighter for his company. That's a bad move?

I agree that Dana can be an ***, but there can be no doubt he wants the best talent in the UFC and plenty of fighters have commented on how well the UFC treats them.

Why would the NFL send the Cowboys to face a Canadian football team when they can instead acquire the best Canadian players and integrate them to teams they already own?

 

[Hostile]

It's because MMA fans are generally babies.

They are all new to the sport and so many ONLY have been exposed to the UFC. They don't care that Dana White treats his fighters like crap or that he shoots down every effort by fighters to make more money. They simply care that the UFC has shows on Spike.

End of the day the UFC has the most talented roster top to bottom; without question. But also is the main one responsible for NOT allowing it's fighters to face opponents from other fight orgs. Why???

Probably because back in the UFC/Pride days, Dana sent Liddell to face Rampage Jackson of Pride. Rampage destroyed Chuck twice and the UFC looked bad.

So Dana bought out a fledgling org who had Rampage(not Pride but some California circuit) just to reel him in.

All you did was confuse me more. UFC wants to acquire the best stable of fighters so it's worse than other organizations?

To me that would make them the best.

I can understand with them being on Spike why they would have fans. Why do they have so many detractors? That is what I don't get.

 

[jterrell]

All you did was confuse me more. UFC wants to acquire the best stable of fighters so it's worse than other organizations?

To me that would make them the best.

I can understand with them being on Spike why they would have fans. Why do they have so many detractors? That is what I don't get.

No, the thing is they only signed Rampage because he proved Liddell WASN'T the best. It was about having the most marketable guy not the best.

Dana could have signed Fedor many times, but Fedor wasn't going to sign the UFC contracts which hand them all rights to your name and likeness. It's archaic and he didn't want a long fight contract that also locks you in where you can't leave as Champion or fight ANYONE ELSE outside the UFC.

 

[jterrell]

plenty of fighters have commented on how well the UFC treats them.

Try again...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=1164

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Inside-the-Standard-Zuffa-Contract-9734

http://www.sportsbythenumbersmma.com/2009/03/ufc-contracts-harsh.html

http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/26/fedor-does-not-like-ufc-contracts/

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/03/matt-lindland-claims-ufc-contracts-are-illegal/

http://www.examiner.com/x-902-Mixed...nd-other-American-Kickboxing-Academy-fighters

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13086/rep...says-ufc-contract-conditions-unacceptable.mma

http://www.bjpenn.com/profiles/blogs/dan-henderson-not-happy-with?xg_source=activity

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Huerta-Passes-on-UFC-Contract-15722

http://mmajunkie.com/news/17992/hea...-non-fight-ventures-simply-more-lucrative.mma

 

[jterrell]

All you did was confuse me more. UFC wants to acquire the best stable of fighters so it's worse than other organizations?

To me that would make them the best.

I can understand with them being on Spike why they would have fans. Why do they have so many detractors? That is what I don't get.

Oh, and the UFC has non-compete clauses so a fighter can not compete outside the UFC.

Dana doesn't allow that EVER, anymore.

The UFC pays it's fighters peanuts while raking in about 10 times as much cash as any other promotion. Shane Carwin is going to make 40K to fight Brock Lesner for the title... 40K??? They will make millions and millions off that fight but Carwin can hope for at best 80-100K. All that and his training expenses come out of his own pocket.

That's less than practice squad money. Shane Carwin earns less than Jesse friggin Holley for cripessake.

 

[Hostile]

No, the thing is they only signed Rampage because he proved Liddell WASN'T the best. It was about having the most marketable guy not the best.

Dana could have signed Fedor many times, but Fedor wasn't going to sign the UFC contracts which hand them all rights to your name and likeness. It's archaic and he didn't want a long fight contract that also locks you in where you can't leave as Champion or fight ANYONE ELSE outside the UFC.

JT, if I am missing the point I sincerely apologize.

My question was, and remains, why are people so loyal to the different organizations, even defunct ones? To me that makes no sense at all.

It is sounding to me like it is more a case of people hate UFC because White is a shrewd businessman than anything else.

But I don't understand why Pride is so much better and UFC is garbage as some people intimate. Or why some call Strikeforce, Strikefarce.

I don't get the allegiance to an organization.

 

[jterrell]

JT, if I am missing the point I sincerely apologize.

My question was, and remains, why are people so loyal to the different organizations, even defunct ones? To me that makes no sense at all.

It is sounding to me like it is more a case of people hate UFC because White is a shrewd businessman than anything else.

But I don't understand why Pride is so much better and UFC is garbage as some people intimate. Or why some call Strikeforce, Strikefarce.

I don't get the allegiance to an organization.

I actually hear you there but ultimately it is because Dana White breeds that mentality. If you watch the various orgs, and I watch all of those you mentioned plus a few smaller ones, the UFC soundly criticizes and counter-programs other fight orgs. They literally make it a personal thing to drive them out of business... by using fighters they employees knowing those same employees may need job opps elsewhere soon.

I like any good fight, hosted by any org.

The UFC has two of my favorites fighters: GSP, Rampage
Strikeforce has a couple as well: Arlovski(sheesh he cant win anymore); King Mo(he is from Dallas)
... and the WEC(ufc-owned) has Ben Henderson and Don Cerrone.

But I really dislike that the UFC hurts MMA to raise it's on business interests.

 

[Hostile]

I actually hear you there but ultimately it is because Dana White breeds that mentality. If you watch the various orgs, and I watch all of those you mentioned plus a few smaller ones, the UFC soundly criticizes and counter-programs other fight orgs. They literally make it a personal thing to drive them out of business... by using fighters they employees knowing those same employees may need job opps elsewhere soon.

I like any good fight, hosted by any org.

The UFC has two of my favorites fighters: GSP, Rampage
Strikeforce has a couple as well: Arlovski(sheesh he cant win anymore); King Mo(he is from Dallas)
... and the WEC(ufc-owned) has Ben Henderson and Don Cerrone.

But I really dislike that the UFC hurts MMA to raise it's on business interests.

Thanks.







I just don't get it, and maybe it is better that way.

 

[Khartun]

I actually hear you there but ultimately it is because Dana White breeds that mentality. If you watch the various orgs, and I watch all of those you mentioned plus a few smaller ones, the UFC soundly criticizes and counter-programs other fight orgs. They literally make it a personal thing to drive them out of business... by using fighters they employees knowing those same employees may need job opps elsewhere soon.

I like any good fight, hosted by any org.

The UFC has two of my favorites fighters: GSP, Rampage
Strikeforce has a couple as well: Arlovski(sheesh he cant win anymore); King Mo(he is from Dallas)
... and the WEC(ufc-owned) has Ben Henderson and Don Cerrone.

But I really dislike that the UFC hurts MMA to raise it's on business interests.

I can see what you are saying, but it seems like to me, although I admit I'm not the most knowlegeable about the subject, that the current popularity of MMA is due largely to Dana White/UFC.

 

[playmakers]

I cant stand Dana White. The organzation he has is the best one for sure but hes only in it for the money. Look at ppv's. Theres a ppv every 3-4 weeks now at 45 dollars a shot. How can anyone afford that. Also, he bumped the Rampage-Evans to 4995 because he knew thats the one fight people would buy. I think he bought the UFC for 2 million and I think its worth about 300 million now, why bleed so much money out of people? In addition, if it wasnt for Randy Couture complianing and leaving the UFC, the fighters would be underpaid. For example, before Couture complianed the big fighters were getting like 50-75k a fight and now they get between 200-400. Compare that to boxing and thats nothing. Thats why he was so mad when Affliction came in and was paying mid card guys 100k a fight. He knew he couldnt underpay his guys anymore.

That is why I hope another organzation comes in and at least takes some sting out of his monoply. He's so darn arrogant. The next Fedor-Werdum fight should be on CBS and should earn alot of tv ratings. Hopefully,this gets them over the hump.

 

[Cover 2]

I cant stand Dana White. The organzation he has is the best one for sure but hes only in it for the money. Look at ppv's. Theres a ppv every 3-4 weeks now at 45 dollars a shot. How can anyone afford that. Also, he bumped the Rampage-Evans to 4995 because he knew thats the one fight people would buy. I think he bought the UFC for 2 million and I think its worth about 300 million now, why bleed so much money out of people? In addition, if it wasnt for Randy Couture complianing and leaving the UFC, the fighters would be underpaid. For example, before Couture complianed the big fighters were getting like 50-75k a fight and now they get between 200-400. Compare that to boxing and thats nothing. Thats why he was so mad when Affliction came in and was paying mid card guys 100k a fight. He knew he couldnt underpay his guys anymore.

That is why I hope another organzation comes in and at least takes some sting out of his monoply. He's so darn arrogant. The next Fedor-Werdum fight should be on CBS and should earn alot of tv ratings. Hopefully,this gets them over the hump.

Maybe there's a reason the UFC is still in business and Affliction isn't. Affliction overpaid big time.

 

[playmakers]

Yeah, but when is enough enough for the UFC monolopy. They make so much money already and they still raise prices.

 

[Cover 2]

Yeah, but when is enough enough for the UFC monolopy. They make so much money already and they still raise prices.

It's a business. Their job is to maximize profits. If they start overcharging they will see a decline in profits. Especially with the Fertittas having financial problems they will try to get all they can from their company.

And I wouldn't say they have a monopoly. There's still Strikeforce and Dream, and then smaller orgs but I don't pay attention to those. I didn't include WEC since it's owned by the Fertittas, but they've got some exciting fighters like Aldo and Faber, and then Mike Brown is pretty good also and so is Torres. They've also got some decent LW's.