Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[Clarkson]

No 6 does not mean less and I did not say that either. What was obvious I thought was that I was saying that if your QB is tucking and running when a pass is there, almost all coaches would rather they think "pass" first. Although if you want him running more and increasing his chance to get injured then maybe you end up with RGIII sitting on the sidelines all the time!

Do you think Dak runs too much...? He barely runs. He is far from a running QB. Do you watch football much?
How many of his run TDs has he been hit hard on? Most of them he was barely touched.

 

[Doomsday101]

So then we are screwed. I'm trying to manage expectations you are just trying to keep your pet cat's job.

whose expectation are you trying to manage? None of us know the outcome of this season be it Dak at QB or Romo at QB. But for me I'm all in if they lose I will deal with it and if they win I will celebrate it but do not need anyone managing my expectations. So I take it you are trying to manage your own expectations?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

whose expectation are you trying to manage? None of us know the outcome of this season be it Dak at QB or Romo at QB. But for me I'm all in if they lose I will deal with it and if they win I will celebrate it but do not need anyone managing my expectations. So I take it you are trying to manage your own expectations?

I see what one can expect to be an objective measure. It is why things like computers and airplanes function. It is why I talk in terms of what has actually happened and stay away from emotional evaluations.

 

[JJHLH1]

Exactly. Dak makes smart logical plays that keep the chains moving. It's the same thing Tom Brady does (no I'm not saying Dak is Brady). Brady's game is about making smart, seemingly non-flashy plays. Over and over. And not making mistakes on risky ones. That's the same way Dak plays.

100% correct. When I rewatched the game on NFLN last night the confident, poised manner that Dak stood in the pocket as he coolly picked apart the Tampa Bay defense definitely had a Bradyesque flavor to it.

 

[Blake]

It is why I talk in terms of what has actually happened and stay away from emotional evaluations.

Every cry and whine from Romo fans for him to start has been based off emotional evaluations, tbh. "But....but....Romo disserves this...etc.." *Blech*

 

[erod]

So you can't come up with any stats to support your bogus claim? I didn't think so.

OK, he ranks 15th, I guess.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/redzone-passing.htm

I know how to watch football. I don't need a chart to tell me what I see.

 

[aikemirv]

Then we agree he does not run to much but his ability to run puts defense in a situation where they have to be aware that Dak will take off and that puts even more pressure on the defense. You get DE pinching down hard on the run they look pretty silly as Dak keeps the ball and get outside for pass or run so DE can't just pin their ears back and come after him or Zeke without risking a big play to the outside. In the redzone Dak ability is just 1 extra weapon defense much concern themselves with.

No more than you do with Aaron Rodgers. While Dak is a good runner, he is not a huge threat, he is not one that defenses key on like Russel Wilson or Kapernick IMO so I don't think Defenses scheme Dak as a runner at the goal line personally. He may have a slight more tendancy to run a bootleg but by very little.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see what one can expect to be an objective measure. It is why things like computers and airplanes function. It is why I talk in terms of what has actually happened and stay away from emotional evaluations.

No you are taking your own expectation and telling others they must have the same. Dak and this team are winning they are 12-2 they are 4th in points scored they are doing what any other championship team is doing. Defense has some on strong as of late and hopefully that continues. These players are not computers they are human they make mistakes they sometimes forced to improvise. How you see things that may be great for you but as a grown man I can handle losing if in the end they come up short but I will not sit on the fence and only jump on to the band wagon should they make it. I'm all in with this team for good or bad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again: You cannot score twice in one possession. We have a dominant run game that we use a lot in the red zone. We're 4th in red zone TD%. Also again: Has anyone claimed we're a better passing team than running team? Of course we turn to that: What team doesn't want to play to its strengths?

You also can't just leave out his rushing TDs, all of which have come in the red zone, bringing his total red zone TDs to 19. His running ability is a major part of his game, and to discount it to make your (shaky) point is disingenuous at best.

You said his play in the red zone is a detriment to our offense there; he has 19 total red zone TDs on the 4th best red zone TD% team in the league. Where, exactly, is he handcuffing us?

Is Tannehill the best red zone QB in the league? Have RG3, Cody Kessler, and whoever else has played for the Browns this year more effective than Prescott and Russ Wilson and Matt Stafford because they have a better QB rating in the red zone?

Post a useful, meaningful stat to back up your nonsense. The Niners have a joke of an offense and are 10th on your Holy Grail of Red Zone Stats list.

Who cares when there are multiple possessions?

I can evaluate his passing performance. You can insist on considering his runs but several of those runs have been by design. The recent QB draw was certainly a designed run. You just shoehorn them all in there anyway and call it a day.

If you really want to do that then you need to evaluate that for him. You also need to consider what every other QB has accomplished running the ball. I bet Kaepernick for example has some running TDs as well for example. Then look. Instead you are just trying to paint your pet cat in the best possible light.

Then you just go back to affirming your biases for the second half of the post. The Dolphins are a winning team likely to make the playoffs, the Bills score 25 ppg yet you dismiss them out of hand. Incredulousness is not an argument.

 

[Doomsday101]

No more than you do with Aaron Rodgers. While Dak is a good runner, he is not a huge threat, he is not one that defenses key on like Russel Wilson or Kapernick IMO so I don't think Defenses scheme Dak as a runner at the goal line personally. He may have a slight more tendancy to run a bootleg but by very little.

Yet it is effective in it's results. Even in games like Minn where Dallas was faced with a 3rd and 13 from their own 10 yard line being able to pick up the 1st and continue the drive as opposed to punting inside our own 10 was big. Dak is doing what he must do to move this team down the field and he has been doing that for most of the season. Has he had bad games yes so do most other QB's it is part of the game not every week will be great but then he bounces back the following week which to me says a lot as he has to deal with the critics and the nay sayers and the pressure of bouncing back. That is one trait Romo showed and I respected and what I respect in Dak

 

[Miller]

Could the team improve at RT over Free? At WR over Williams? How about safety, corner, DE? Since we are 12-2 and you apparently feel there is no way to be better, then I guess Von Miller, Landon Collins, Suh, Sherman etc. would be on the bench?

This makes zero sense! We aren't talking about top players. We are talking about a guy who basically has missed two years and didn't even play well when he did. So what are you going on that he is an improvement when he can't take one hit? Love the guy but you're making up a scenario

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No you are taking your own expectation and telling others they must have the same. Dak and this team are winning they are 12-2 they are 4th in points scored they are doing what any other championship team is doing. Defense has some on strong as of late and hopefully that continues. These players are not computers they are human they make mistakes they sometimes forced to improvise. How you see things that may be great for you but as a grown man I can handle losing if in the end they come up short but I will not sit on the fence and only jump on to the band wagon should they make it. I'm all in with this team for good or bad.

Now you are back to the emotional claptrap. We just don't think the same but there is an objective reality nonetheless.

 

[Miller]

Yeah...you just don't understand the meaning of words.

Understand great. It's complaining when you haven't had a sample size in two years

 

[ufcrules1]

Dak is a Freaking Pro Bowler as a conditional, 4th round pick. He's helped the Cowboys to a 12-2 record while staring down HOMEFIELD. And the problem is?

The problem is some fans trying to pick fly poop outta pepper.

The problem is simple... he is not Tony Romo. Their are Romo fans who are upset because they wanted to see him win a super bowl and now Dak came and took his job from him. So these fans need to find all the faults they can with Dak to make him look bad.

 

[Direwolf63]

I see what one can expect to be an objective measure. It is why things like computers and airplanes function. It is why I talk in terms of what has actually happened and stay away from emotional evaluations.

And yet, almost all of the stats suggest you are wrong regarding Prescott, yet you choose to ignore them.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Nah, he's still playing vs the Giants. Win or lose. You know this, I know this, the coaches know this.

I know the coaches have been idiots in the past, so it's possible.

In game 1 against the Giants, Dak had a whopping 20 incompletions and 0 TD passes.
In game 2 against the Giants, Dak had a whopping 20 incompletions and 0 TD passes.
I'm not sure how much holding the ball, running into sacks and wobbly passes Garrett would need to see in game 3 before pulling the plug but I'm hoping it's a lot less than the average Dak slobberer.

 

[ufcrules1]

So throw in Romo who hasn't played a real NFL game since last year in hopes we get where we want to go?

The answer for most of you is: "We know what we have with Romo. He's in shape. Heck, he's run the scout team so well."

Oh okay.

Me: You're funny. It's Dak team now. Stop with your ridiculous predictions already.

Didn't you used to be a massive Romo homer?

 

[Animosity]

Even if he does, whats so bad about methodically dissecting a defense instead of throwing it into triple coverage like Romo has done for ten years? This is exactly how Brady plays, and he is considered the greatest qb ever by most people.

 

[Doomsday101]

Now you are back to the emotional claptrap. We just don't think the same but there is an objective reality nonetheless.

Your right you will sit on the fence and should they get to the SB hey your all in. I am not I have no control over the game I have no say I am a fan. I can back this team 100% or I can sit on the fence. I don't need some one to hold my hand, if Dallas does not make it, then hell it was a great ride this season one that started off with people predicting this as a 8-8 team at best yet managed to clinch the playoff early and are sitting in a position to have #1 seed this weekend. If they do make it then I would rather say I backed them the whole way than say well I was so unsure that I did not want to have any expectations about them. As you said we are different people

 

[aikemirv]

Do you think Dak runs too much...? He barely runs. He is far from a running QB. Do you watch football much?
How many of his run TDs has he been hit hard on? Most of them he was barely touched.

Like I said in another post, I was repsonding to a concept and not saying that Dak runs too much.