Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Colin Kaepernick has thrown 27 passes in the red zone this year. That isn't even a sufficient sample size.
Dak has had 58 red zone plays. Kaep is at 27.
Wanna hazard a guess as to where we rank in red zone TD%? I'll help ya: 4th.
So yeah, Dak has really been a killer there. Man, if only he didn't handcuff our scoring!!!
Using red zone QB rating as the end-all, be-all to determine who good a QB is in the red zone is, again, a joke. And if you were actually as smart and fair as your claim, you'd acknowledge that.

Well its a good thing that the stats that were shown were more than just Kaepernicks but instead team stats then. The other guy was worse.

I am talking about his ability as a passer. I am not going to dispute that we have a dominant running game. Prescott has 13 RZ passing TD which is 15th and about half of the leader's.

A dominant running game helps and doesn't hinder too. We see what happens when we cannot rely on the run.

 

[SlammedZero]

I feel like Dallas fans can't put anything Dak is doing into proper context. Like, rookies just don't play like he does. I don't mean stats so much as just how he handles game situations. If you watch what Dak's doing at this stage of his career and aren't impressed I'm sort of just at a loss at this point. Rookies just don't execute pro style schemes in real time from like game 2 onward, regardless of how favorable the situation around them is. It's uncommon, it's downright special, but half the fan base is mad that we're not getting 2007 vintage Brady-to-Moss bombs 24/7.

And Dallas isn't using some unsustainable air raid gadget scheme like Chip Kelly in 2013 did with Foles, or Shanahan did with RG3 in 2012 having him run 120 times. They just dropped Dak into a pro style system and made him figure it out.

No, he doesn't see the field like Brady does, but Brady himself didn't do that in 2000-2001. But what Brady always had, and what Dak shows signs of, is the fine-tuned sense of how much risk to take on any given snap. That's an un-glamorous but unbelievably rare and valuable skill.

Beautiful post.

 

[NorthTexan95]

He played two games with a broken clavicle to try and save the season. Give me a break.

Dak is not good in the red zone. I'm hardly the first person to say it. Watch the games.

Romo didn't play with a broken clavicle ... he exited those games when he broke his clavicle. He was healthy when he was playing.

 

[Direwolf63]

I feel like Dallas fans can't put anything Dak is doing into proper context. Like, rookies just don't play like he does. I don't mean stats so much as just how he handles game situations. If you watch what Dak's doing at this stage of his career and aren't impressed I'm sort of just at a loss at this point. Rookies just don't execute pro style schemes in real time from like game 2 onward, regardless of how favorable the situation around them is. It's uncommon, it's downright special, but half the fan base is mad that we're not getting 2007 vintage Brady-to-Moss bombs 24/7.

And Dallas isn't using some unsustainable air raid gadget scheme like Chip Kelly in 2013 did with Foles, or Shanahan did with RG3 in 2012 having him run 120 times. They just dropped Dak into a pro style system and made him figure it out.

No, he doesn't see the field like Brady does, but Brady himself didn't do that in 2000-2001. But what Brady always had, and what Dak shows signs of, is the fine-tuned sense of how much risk to take on any given snap. That's an un-glamorous but unbelievably rare and valuable skill.

Very well said, sir.

 

[Fletch]

The problem is he isn't the best option available to the team, and some of us want to win the Superbowl and are not looking backwards or willing to handicap postseason success because rookie!

So throw in Romo who hasn't played a real NFL game since last year in hopes we get where we want to go?

The answer for most of you is: "We know what we have with Romo. He's in shape. Heck, he's run the scout team so well."

Oh okay.

Me: You're funny. It's Dak team now. Stop with your ridiculous predictions already.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I feel like Dallas fans can't put anything Dak is doing into proper context. Like, rookies just don't play like he does. I don't mean stats so much as just how he handles game situations. If you watch what Dak's doing at this stage of his career and aren't impressed I'm sort of just at a loss at this point. Rookies just don't execute pro style schemes in real time from like game 2 onward, regardless of how favorable the situation around them is. It's uncommon, it's downright special, but half the fan base is mad that we're not getting 2007 vintage Brady-to-Moss bombs 24/7.

And Dallas isn't using some unsustainable air raid gadget scheme like Chip Kelly in 2013 did with Foles, or Shanahan did with RG3 in 2012 having him run 120 times. They just dropped Dak into a pro style system and made him figure it out.

No, he doesn't see the field like Brady does, but Brady himself didn't do that in 2000-2001. But what Brady always had, and what Dak shows signs of, is the fine-tuned sense of how much risk to take on any given snap. That's an un-glamorous but unbelievably rare and valuable skill.

I'm sure our playoff opponents will handicap for him because he is a rookie.

He may be the best rookie QB ever but that doesn't mean he is likely to hit paydirt this season. Right now we need to avoid NYG and SEA to have favorable odds of advancing.

 

[Kevinicus]

So throw in Romo who hasn't played a real NFL game since last year in hopes we get where we want to go?

The answer for most of you is: "We know what we have with Romo. He's in shape. Heck, he's run the scout team so well."

Oh okay.

Me: You're funny. It's Dak team now. Stop with your ridiculous predictions already.

The rificulous part is the lame tired arguments people keep trotting out against Romo. They are not based in reality.

 

[sean10mm]

I'm sure our playoff opponents will handicap for him because he is a rookie.

He may be the best rookie QB ever but that doesn't mean he is likely to hit paydirt this season. Right now we need to avoid NYG and SEA to have favorable odds of advancing.

Because Romo did so great the last time he met the Seattle defense....

 

[Direwolf63]

The problem is he isn't the best option available to the team, and some of us want to win the Superbowl and are not looking backwards or willing to handicap postseason success because rookie!

And you know this how?

 

[aikemirv]

so his 6 mean less? score board does not seem to be as prejudice about points. It only shows that a TD was scored and that TD counted the same as any other TD. Which again is the object. Your right that hole was big enough anyone should have been able to score yet not all QB would tuck it and run to get the sure thing.

No 6 does not mean less and I did not say that either. What was obvious I thought was that I was saying that if your QB is tucking and running when a pass is there, almost all coaches would rather they think "pass" first. Although if you want him running more and increasing his chance to get injured then maybe you end up with RGIII sitting on the sidelines all the time!

 

[MileyDancer]

The offense under Romo was almost never a liability. And the points/offensive series data backs that up. Our issue was defense.

We can say nice things about one of our QBs without tearing the other one down. Really.

Oh, come on. The offense had definitely lost games for us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because Romo did so great the last time he met the Seattle defense....

So then we are screwed. I'm trying to manage expectations you are just trying to keep your pet cat's job.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No 6 does not mean less and I did not say that either. What was obvious I thought was that I was saying that if your QB is tucking and running when a pass is there, almost all coaches would rather they think "pass" first. Although if you want him running more and increasing his chance to get injured then maybe you end up with RGIII sitting on the sidelines all the time!

That is a good point. Running QBs don't last long. Wilson has had to adjust his game.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak's passing game is predicated off play-action point blank. He's already thrown well over 40 more passes off play-action then they ever did with the Red-Headed Genius when he was running the offense, with absolutely no feel for blending a running game with a passing game.

Even in 2014, when Romo finally had Linehan as a play-caller, they only used play-action 75 times total and they used it primarily in big yardage situations. But they did move up in usage that year, but even with Murray, if they were passing with him in the backfield they weren't threatening run, despite how many yards he was putting up.

5 of the INTs Romo threw in 2014 in the above stats were actually off play-action and I believe maybe 10 TDs. How they used play-action was totally different the first year, targeting big plays not efficiency.

Spin it any way you want, the passing games moves through Zeke and defenses are threatened by Zeke and LBs aren't getting deep, which is why the Middle is he prime target in this offense.

As long as Cowboys are staying in good down and distance play action is great but no one is buying into play action when stuck in long yard situation. The other think Dak adds to the play action is his ability to run, outside rushers must be aware and not let Dak get outside which slows up the outside pressure

 

[Blake]

So then we are screwed. I'm trying to manage expectations you are just trying to keep your pet cat's job.

It's his job period. There exists no threat whatsoever of him losing it. Sorry you can't accept that.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

So then we are screwed. I'm trying to manage expectations you are just trying to keep your pet cat's job.

Pet cat? lol He's the starting QB. Nobody's talking of replacing him except on this board.

 

[zrinkill]

I feel like Dallas fans can't put anything Dak is doing into proper context. Like, rookies just don't play like he does. I don't mean stats so much as just how he handles game situations. If you watch what Dak's doing at this stage of his career and aren't impressed I'm sort of just at a loss at this point. Rookies just don't execute pro style schemes in real time from like game 2 onward, regardless of how favorable the situation around them is. It's uncommon, it's downright special, but half the fan base is mad that we're not getting 2007 vintage Brady-to-Moss bombs 24/7.

And Dallas isn't using some unsustainable air raid gadget scheme like Chip Kelly in 2013 did with Foles, or Shanahan did with RG3 in 2012 having him run 120 times. They just dropped Dak into a pro style system and made him figure it out.

No, he doesn't see the field like Brady does, but Brady himself didn't do that in 2000-2001. But what Brady always had, and what Dak shows signs of, is the fine-tuned sense of how much risk to take on any given snap. That's an un-glamorous but unbelievably rare and valuable skill.

Great post.

 

[sean10mm]

So then we are screwed. I'm trying to manage expectations you are just trying to keep your pet cat's job.

I'm not trying to do anything, this is just dudes talking on the internet. Dak keeping or not keeping his job has nothing to do with what I do or don't say here.

Dak has better stats than most of Romo's seasons as a starter, and the team is 12-2, at some point crying for the old guy who couldn't make it through a bump he took in a preseason game without dying is just about YOUR attachment to "your pet cat."

 

[JJHLH1]

Tony was 3-1 though. See if Tony's involved wins matter but they want to dismiss Dak's contribution to the 12-2 record.

Yes, funny how that works isn't it.

 

[zrinkill]

Pet cat? lol He's the starting QB. Nobody's talking of replacing him except on this board.

Yea ......... the only people with a pet cat are the ones who want the backup to start after we go 12-2