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Rowdy;1981413 said:
I can't keep debating with someone who cannot see reality when it is right in front of him.
And before you throw the charge back at me, I'll state for the record that I do think Bowen has crossed the line at times. When he kicked Wally in the face and Ray Allen in the back for instance. But I don't paint him as a "dirty player" who tries to hurt people on purpose (like Reggie Evans when he grabbed Chris Kaman in the junk).
Bowen is clearly plays the game with every ounce of intensity he has, and sometimes that gets the best of him. He wasn't blessed with the talent of a Kobe or LeBron, and he's had to work like a maniac to get where he's gotten. He's not perfect, but I'm proud to have him be on my team!
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Rowdy;1981525 said:
I don't know of a single Spurs fans who would disagree with any of it either.
So if you agree as well, then I'm not sure how this "debate" got to this point.
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Danny White;1981540 said:
Unfortunately it got to that point because z and a few others deny it exists. If they admitted that he has had his moments then this wouldn't have gone over one or two posts on the subject.
Anyway it will be one of the toughest post seasons the West has ever had. The Suns may not even make a seed this year but it will still be great to watch all the top teams take it up a notch and battle it out.
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Rowdy;1981559 said:Unfortunately it got to that point because z and a few others deny it exists. If they admitted that he has had his moments then this wouldn't have gone over one or two posts on the subject.
Anyway it will be one of the toughest post seasons the West has ever had. The Suns may not even make a seed this year but it will still be great to watch all the top teams take it up a notch and battle it out.
Well I haven't read every post across these two threads, but the only denials I've seen are Spurs fans denying accusations that Bowen is a "dirty" player who "tries to injure people on purpose" -- accusations that I also deny, and apparently you deny as well.
I haven't seen any Spurs fan claim that Bowen is a saint on the court... if they did claim such a thing, I'd question how many games they've actually seen the Spurs play.
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Danny White;1981622 said:Well I haven't read every post across these two threads, but the only denials I've seen are Spurs fans denying accusations that Bowen is a "dirty" player who "tries to injure people on purpose" -- accusations that I also deny, and apparently you deny as well.
I haven't seen any Spurs fan claim that Bowen is a saint on the court... if they did claim such a thing, I'd question how many games they've actually seen the Spurs play.
Its all good. I have props for the Spurs and their team.
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Rowdy;1981644 said:
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Rowdy;1981410 said:
look, i know there are plenty of fans of other teams that think bowen is dirty. What i wanted from you was proof that NBA people, commentators, writters, players, GMs, etc. i mean, i could find people on the internet that think harry potter is the devil! its not that hard to find people who agree with you on anything on the internet. like danny said, bowen might have done some questionable things, but besides him kicking allen, i dont believe what he has done has been intentional, just a side effect of the effort he plays with. Bruce bowen has been a great citizen in san antonio, a great guy that works with kids all over the city and is probably the most involved NBA player in his community since david robinson. His story is very inspirational to lots of people and thats why we spurs fans feel so strongly about people belittle ling him so much. But this whole argument has gotten way out of hand and id rather just talk about my favorite subject, some real on court NBA basketball. I apologize if i have offended you in any way, but i think we have all expressed our feelings on the subject and we should just move on.
Danny White;1981672 said:
ya, lets just move on, i just got home from watcing semi pro, spurs were in first in the movie too!!! (but we lost the mega bowl to the flint tropics!!, GRRRR)
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Here is a take on the Suns and their current status. I thought his take on the coach was spot on:
..."You're right about no one wanting to be accountable. As for who should be held accountable, here are two prime candidates:
Sarver: Miscalculating on several fronts regarding player contracts, chasing off the Colangelos (the only intelligent basketball people associated with the team during this ownership era), cashing in four consecutive drafts (plus at the very least one more in the future), refusing to make any extra investment to put the team over the top when it was still close to winning it all.
D'Antoni: Running a one-dimensional system, unmitigated obstinance about making any kind of adjustment to what other teams are doing, refusal to develop team depth vital to season long success, wearing out top rotation with unnecessary long MPG's season after season, total neglect of the key fundamentals of rebounding and defense, resistance to bringing in or developing younger talent, inability to handle even the most fundamental in-game coaching strategies (adjusting rotation, clock management, handling referees). Geez... did I leave anything out?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the cupboard that the Colangelos stocked for this franchise before they left has covered up the utter incompetence of Sarver and D'Antoni for the last four seasons. Now that the cupboard is starting to run bare, mainly through the mismanagement of these two "whiz kids", all we fans are left with is going to be a rather precipitous fall from grace for a once very successful franchise. We many not quite hit the NBA version of skid row for another season or two, but that is what is eventually in the Suns' future. It's totally pathetic.
I guess there can still be some hope if A) we get lucky and/or wise up and start using the draft and free agency wisely again the way the Colangelo's did when they ran the team, and B) get rid of D'Antoni before his continual idiocy ruins any future decent team the Suns may put together (if they achieve Step A, that is)."
..."You're right about no one wanting to be accountable. As for who should be held accountable, here are two prime candidates:
Sarver: Miscalculating on several fronts regarding player contracts, chasing off the Colangelos (the only intelligent basketball people associated with the team during this ownership era), cashing in four consecutive drafts (plus at the very least one more in the future), refusing to make any extra investment to put the team over the top when it was still close to winning it all.
D'Antoni: Running a one-dimensional system, unmitigated obstinance about making any kind of adjustment to what other teams are doing, refusal to develop team depth vital to season long success, wearing out top rotation with unnecessary long MPG's season after season, total neglect of the key fundamentals of rebounding and defense, resistance to bringing in or developing younger talent, inability to handle even the most fundamental in-game coaching strategies (adjusting rotation, clock management, handling referees). Geez... did I leave anything out?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the cupboard that the Colangelos stocked for this franchise before they left has covered up the utter incompetence of Sarver and D'Antoni for the last four seasons. Now that the cupboard is starting to run bare, mainly through the mismanagement of these two "whiz kids", all we fans are left with is going to be a rather precipitous fall from grace for a once very successful franchise. We many not quite hit the NBA version of skid row for another season or two, but that is what is eventually in the Suns' future. It's totally pathetic.
I guess there can still be some hope if A) we get lucky and/or wise up and start using the draft and free agency wisely again the way the Colangelo's did when they ran the team, and B) get rid of D'Antoni before his continual idiocy ruins any future decent team the Suns may put together (if they achieve Step A, that is)."
