Supposed terrorist attack kills as many as 8 people in NY

[Longboysfan]

The soft and stupid need to sit down and shut up. we are not going to stamp on this by singing kumbaya and making nice.

Yes. Correct. But the bleeding hearts will be out there in force on this one.

 

[Sarek]

The guy rented the truck in Paterson, N.J.
Paterson is partly Muslim population.
I live across the river in Fair Lawn. Been to the Home Depot there way too many times.
The people who go in there are a cross section of the area. So this person renting a truck would not have raised any flags.

I haven't been through Paterson in years, except passing it on 80w, there used to be a very corrupt local government there with Mafia involvement. I doubt it's gotten any better since then.

 

[FloridaRob]

I read last night that the guy was asking for the ISIS flag to be flow in his room. Can we have the hospital find the biggest American Flag available and fly it in his room. And then get a Bose sound system and put the Star Spangled Banner and America the Beautiful on a constant loop. Then have all the little candy stripers bring little ISIS figures dead with American Soldiers pointing guns at them with more American FLags flying. On the TV in his room have video of the Drones blowing up ISIS people constantly. Then let the family of the people killed come visit him and then have the officers in charge go get some coffee. I should be in charge of torture for these people.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

My wife flew out of IAH this morning and mistakenly left a very small pocket knife in her backpack{oops!}. There was enough TSA and Cops there to make a regiment, all led by a lady that looked like she should be working at the local burger joint.

 

[LoneStarDawg]

My wife flew out of IAH this morning and mistakenly left a very small pocket knife in her backpack{oops!}. There was enough TSA and Cops there to make a regiment, all led by a lady that looked like she should be working at the local burger joint.

Obviously, I know she meant no harm by it, but glad they found it. I’m glad to know they are checking every bag like we would hope they are. Those agents are damned if they do and damned if they don’t!

 

[Longboysfan]

Obviously, I know she meant no harm by it, but glad they found it. I’m glad to know they are checking every bag like we would hope they are. Those agents are damned if they do and damned if they don’t!

Well they do want to confiscate my home baked cookies every time I fly.

They're only lethal to your waist line.

 

[Nova]

It has minimal to do with a beard per say. He has the prototypical look of a terrorist. This type photo is what is plastered in the news daily. Many guys in the Middle East have beards. If there was a picture in the dictionary of an Islamic terrorist......that is it.

What happened to "see something, say something"? If I was the guy renting out a truck to him, you bet I would notify someone. That is what they do, run people over with trucks. Common sense needs to be applied in certain situations.

What is the worst that can happen if the employee did say something and it turned out to be a false accusation? Maybe he gets ridiculed by some for racial profiling but that guy(the falsely accused) would have went on to a normal life.

If the employee did notify someone in this instance, perhaps there would be 8 more people alive today.

We have to stop worrying about who is offended, if you see something, say something! This can be applied to any race. If a white guy with a history of mental illness applies/buys a gun, say something.

This does not have to be turned into an ethnical debate. This is what America is dealing with, terrorists trying to kill and disrupt our daily lives. I do know it is more difficult to identify them who are not from that region but this latest example should have been easy to deter IMO.

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"Don't look down on anyone and never judge a book by its cover, because you could be the cover one day."

following this post is pretty much the definition of irony.

 

[Tabascocat]

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following this post is pretty much the definition of irony.

Yea, and?

We are fighting a war where we need to be vigilant. If it looks and quacks like a duck.........

There is no good reason not to profile him and do due diligence.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The Wallmart shooter has been arrested.

 

[Nova]

Yea, and?

We are fighting a war where we need to be vigilant. If it looks and quacks like a duck.........

There is no good reason not to profile him and do due diligence.

There's nothing wrong with being vigilant.

But we're talking about profiling people renting trucks from Home Depot here.

Seems like that would just result in a load of "tips" to authroities that ultimately would end up being a waste of time and resources and cause a "boy who cried wolf" effect.

But more importantly, how in the hell is that going to stop someone?

And it's not like you can refuse service to someone based on their race, gender or orientation.

And if people start doing that, then we essentially would have widespread infractions on the civil liberties of American citizens.

Dealing with terrorist acts is an insanely tough task to grapple. But I don't think giving into the fear and sacrificing true freedom is the answer.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

There's nothing wrong with being vigilant.

But we're talking about profiling people renting trucks from Home Depot here.

Seems like that would just result in a load of "tips" to authroities that ultimately would end up being a waste of time and resources and cause a "boy who cried wolf" effect.

But more importantly, how in the hell is that going to stop someone?

And it's not like you can refuse service to someone based on their race, gender or orientation.

And if people start doing that, then we essentially would have widespread infractions on the civil liberties of American citizens.

Dealing with terrorist acts is an insanely tough task to grapple. But I don't think giving into the fear and sacrificing true freedom is the answer.

Or profile non american born citizens.

 

[Nova]

Or profile non american born citizens.

Is a drivers license different for a green card holder?

Real question.

My friend's English Dad has a green card, but I'm pretty sure his license is no different.

 

[Trouty]

The Wallmart shooter has been arrested.

Walmart Shooter?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Walmart Shooter?

Yup, in Denver.

 

[Tabascocat]

There's nothing wrong with being vigilant.

But we're talking about profiling people renting trucks from Home Depot here.

Seems like that would just result in a load of "tips" to authroities that ultimately would end up being a waste of time and resources and cause a "boy who cried wolf" effect.

But more importantly, how in the hell is that going to stop someone?

And it's not like you can refuse service to someone based on their race, gender or orientation.

And if people start doing that, then we essentially would have widespread infractions on the civil liberties of American citizens.

Dealing with terrorist acts is an insanely tough task to grapple. But I don't think giving into the fear and sacrificing true freedom is the answer.

I don’t know what the answer is in all of this. I know it is extremely difficult to stop any plan to action.

All I am suggesting is this: What is our current terrorist threat? It is the extremists who run people over with trucks. There needs to be some sort of system to where any guy who looks like a terrorist who rents a truck should be notified to the authorities. They can then secretly vet them behind the scenes without the public/media knowing about it.

As soon as someone makes a truck reservation or pulls out of the lot, he is then somehow “tagged” in the system and authorities do their due diligence. No one else has to know, just keep a close eye on them. This way the guy in question can go about his business and if there is no flags, life goes on while he is none the wiser.

Of course, this will only work with those with a Middle Eastern name. It is stereotyping and it sucks but something needs to be done. I would rather that then sporadic terrorist attacks killing the innocent. Let me be clear, this mainly concerns those males who stand out and look like a terrorist. I would not want the above system to be applied to every person from that region, that is overboard. Just use some common sense and judgement if someone so blatantly stands out.

As for preempting those lone wolfs who are not foreign........that is almost an impossible task. No idea where to go from here.

Stopping just one attack is better than none. Again, I don’t know what to do but America can not just stand idly by and wait for the next massacre.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

What you're describing sounds like something from that show, 24.

I don’t know what the answer is in all of this. I know it is extremely difficult to stop any plan to action.

All I am suggesting is this: What is our current terrorist threat? It is the extremists who run people over with trucks. There needs to be some sort of system to where any guy who looks like a terrorist who rents a truck should be notified to the authorities. They can then secretly vet them behind the scenes without the public/media knowing about it.

As soon as someone makes a truck reservation or pulls out of the lot, he is then somehow “tagged” in the system and authorities do their due diligence. No one else has to know, just keep a close eye on them. This way the guy in question can go about his business and if there is no flags, life goes on while he is none the wiser.

Of course, this will only work with those with a Middle Eastern name. It is stereotyping and it sucks but something needs to be done. I would rather that then sporadic terrorist attacks killing the innocent. Let me be clear, this mainly concerns those males who stand out and look like a terrorist. I would not want the above system to be applied to every person from that region, that is overboard. Just use some common sense and judgement if someone so blatantly stands out.

As for preempting those lone wolfs who are not foreign........that is almost an impossible task. No idea where to go from here.

Stopping just one attack is better than none. Again, I don’t know what to do but America can not just stand idly by and wait for the next massacre.

 

[ghst187]

There has been some discussion in the UK and other European countries that are drowning in refugees and dealing with constant terror threats from inside about seizing all possessions and immediately deporting the families of anyone that commits a terrorist act. I find this idea quite novel and although it wouldn’t eliminate all terrorist acts, it would certainly make the majority of those Brits who do something like that think long and hard about it. I seriously doubt most of them would go through with it once they see younger siblings and their mother penniless, homeless, and deported. Sounds harsh I know and even a bit unfair, but what is happening in the UK is that most of these guys are growing up in enclaves where local police and government services are kicked out. They are being radicalized close to their homes and the families are usually close so it’s not like parents don’t usually know what’s going on.
I find the concept intriguing although I seriously doubt the UK will gain the brass to implement it.
Of course, I never dreamed they’d have the brass to vote for brexit.
Anyway, it’s time for the left and right in America to come together for at least this one topic and figure out some solutions. I don’t know what the solution is but I do find it interesting that the gulf countries (all Muslim) have almost no major terrorist attacks.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I'm screwed! My beard rivals Fred Beards and I look like a healthy mix of Paul Bunyan, a terrorist, and an MMA fighter all rolled in one. I guess I've rented my last dry wall sander .

 

[Nova]

I don’t know what the answer is in all of this. I know it is extremely difficult to stop any plan to action.

All I am suggesting is this: What is our current terrorist threat? It is the extremists who run people over with trucks. There needs to be some sort of system to where any guy who looks like a terrorist who rents a truck should be notified to the authorities. They can then secretly vet them behind the scenes without the public/media knowing about it.

As soon as someone makes a truck reservation or pulls out of the lot, he is then somehow “tagged” in the system and authorities do their due diligence. No one else has to know, just keep a close eye on them. This way the guy in question can go about his business and if there is no flags, life goes on while he is none the wiser.

Of course, this will only work with those with a Middle Eastern name. It is stereotyping and it sucks but something needs to be done. I would rather that then sporadic terrorist attacks killing the innocent. Let me be clear, this mainly concerns those males who stand out and look like a terrorist. I would not want the above system to be applied to every person from that region, that is overboard. Just use some common sense and judgement if someone so blatantly stands out.

As for preempting those lone wolfs who are not foreign........that is almost an impossible task. No idea where to go from here.

Stopping just one attack is better than none. Again, I don’t know what to do but America can not just stand idly by and wait for the next massacre.

I just don't think we can manage to do that.

Truck rentals are widespread, but that's legislating on such a micro-level I just don't know how that would work.

And since terrorist methods are always evolving, there would just be another micro-level industry needing regulation soon thereafter.

I just don't see it as all that feasible or even having that high of a chance at succeeding.

People should be vigilant and take care of each other, absolutely. Unfortunately there just isn't a magical safety net that's going to keep all of us safe.

But I just don't see it as you see it; as though America just has to sit back and wait for the next attack.

The point is to live your life in the face of the threat of danger and not compromise on your values because some people in this world are nuts.

Anyway. We both agree that the Terrorists suck.

Also, thanks for holding it down over at GMB.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don’t know what the answer is in all of this. I know it is extremely difficult to stop any plan to action.

All I am suggesting is this: What is our current terrorist threat? It is the extremists who run people over with trucks. There needs to be some sort of system to where any guy who looks like a terrorist who rents a truck should be notified to the authorities. They can then secretly vet them behind the scenes without the public/media knowing about it.

As soon as someone makes a truck reservation or pulls out of the lot, he is then somehow “tagged” in the system and authorities do their due diligence. No one else has to know, just keep a close eye on them. This way the guy in question can go about his business and if there is no flags, life goes on while he is none the wiser.

Of course, this will only work with those with a Middle Eastern name. It is stereotyping and it sucks but something needs to be done. I would rather that then sporadic terrorist attacks killing the innocent. Let me be clear, this mainly concerns those males who stand out and look like a terrorist. I would not want the above system to be applied to every person from that region, that is overboard. Just use some common sense and judgement if someone so blatantly stands out.

As for preempting those lone wolfs who are not foreign........that is almost an impossible task. No idea where to go from here.

Stopping just one attack is better than none. Again, I don’t know what to do but America can not just stand idly by and wait for the next massacre.

There is really only o e solution = minority report


Also... if we stop 99 plots ... one gets through = failure.
How messed up is that! 99% is failure.