T.O. Didn't make the HOF

[JoeKing]

Well guess what....if you want to throw character into, then 90% of the people that are in the Hall probably wouldn't be in there. You can't pick and chose. I'm not sure how "character" is relevant to a sport that contributes to so many deaths and permanent injuries. Should I question your character for supporting such a barbarian sport?

I don't disagree with you about your 90% stat. Picking and choosing is done and needs to be done better as it was with the case of T.O. Character matters to whom gets in the HoF so stop confusing that with deaths and permanent injuries. You can question anything you want my brother, God bless you.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't disagree with you about your 90% stat. Picking and choosing is done and needs to be done better as it was with the case of T.O. Character matters to whom gets in the HoF so stop confusing that with deaths and permanent injuries. You can question anything you want my brother, God bless you.

So you do lack character then is what you're saying?

I'm so confused by your stance here. What character concerns did OJ have in 1985 to prevent him from being in the hall?

And you misunderstood me. You talk about "character" in regards to players in the NFL when its a sport that PROMOTES VIOLENCE, DEATH and BRAIN DAMAGE. So I guess I have a problem with voters wanting to become high and mighty about "character" in a profession that's as barbaric as the NFL is.

 

[Dodger12]

lol, are you suggesting he's in the HOF only because he was a black?

I'm asking what he's done to achieve HoF status. I just didn't think he was a great coach.

 

[JoeKing]

So you do lack character then is what you're saying?

I'm so confused by your stance here. What character concerns did OJ have in 1985 to prevent him from being in the hall?

And you misunderstood me. You talk about "character" in regards to players in the NFL when its a sport that PROMOTES VIOLENCE, DEATH and BRAIN DAMAGE. So I guess I have a problem with voters wanting to become high and mighty about "character" in a profession that's as barbaric as the NFL is.

I am a sinner as we all are. I strive to live as my savior commands me to but I don't always succeed. I ask for forgiveness from him when I misstep. One can be godly without being perfect. In the same stream, one can have character without being perfect. It's all in how you acknowledge your flaws and try to correct them. I'm not perfect but I do have character.

The NFL does not promote violence for violence sack. The voting members this year made a decision to make T.O. accountable for his character issues. He obviously has the numbers to get in. You having a problem with that is between you and your creator.

 

[Rogah]

Any guy who did not vote to put TO in the Hall of Fame should have their vote taken away. It is a bunch of moron mediots who want to make themselves the story and draw attention to themselves so they can make the usual rounds on the usual talk shows explaining why they voted the way they did.

 

[muck4doo]

Any guy who did not vote to put TO in the Hall of Fame should have their vote taken away. It is a bunch of moron mediots who want to make themselves the story and draw attention to themselves so they can make the usual rounds on the usual talk shows explaining why they voted the way they did.

OMG! I agree with Rogah! Good point Rogah.

 

[T-RO]

not flawed at all. how else do u explain LT being in?

Simple. LT didn't repeatedly stab his teammates in the back.

He had substance abuse problems like a lot of people in and outside of football. I'm not aware of the rest of his history. He certainly made his team better. Owens drug his teams down.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Simple. LT didn't repeatedly stab his teammates in the back.

He had substance abuse problems like a lot of people in and outside of football. I'm not aware of the rest of his history. He certainly made his team better. Owens drug his teams down.

Drug his teams down? I don't know about that one. When he left his respective teams they got worse. Philly and San Fran haven't been the same since. Cowboys surely haven't won 13 games since.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am a sinner as we all are. I strive to live as my savior commands me to but I don't always succeed. I ask for forgiveness from him when I misstep. One can be godly without being perfect. In the same stream, one can have character without being perfect. It's all in how you acknowledge your flaws and try to correct them. I'm not perfect but I do have character.

The NFL does not promote violence for violence sack. The voting members this year made a decision to make T.O. accountable for his character issues. He obviously has the numbers to get in. You having a problem with that is between you and your creator.

You speak of TO as if he's a murderer. The guy was arrogant and cocky. And me and my creator talk often....but the least of it has to do with football.

This holier than thou angle you're taking is amusing to say the least.

 

[Dodger12]

That's fair, Dodger, but I think that you have to take into account his performance in the playoffs, as well. The guy was a straight up assassin in the post season. You can't put mediocre players like Lynn Swann and John Stallworth in the HOF based on their post season performances (and let's be honest, that's exactly what happened) and ignore a player like Aikman. Just my opinion.

I'm with you.....100% on Aikman. To me, you have to look at a player's whole body of work. It's tough for me to think of Owens as a HoF player when he was a team cancer at every single stop in his career.

 

[JoeKing]

You speak of TO as if he's a murderer. The guy was arrogant and cocky. And me and my creator talk often....but the least of it has to do with football.

This holier than thou angle you're taking is amusing to say the least.

You seem to want to be disagreeable for no other reason than to be disagreeable. I speak of T.O. because that is the thread topic. The guy was a source of angst for several teams. You and your creator should talk.

I've said nothing about being holier than anyone so your amusement is puzzling. Have a blessed Sunday my friend.

 

[Dodger12]

While I can't believe that Dungy made it in the HOF, no where near a HOF coach imo. I also think that Lord Jimmy has no place in the HOF either. Just not a HOF coach, imo. Good coach, for sure. But no where near HOF worthy.

The guy gave this franchise 2 SB's and had a hand in a third. At the time, it was the fastest worst to first performance in NFL history. And you characterize that as "good." You wouldn't know a great coach if he slapped you in the face.

 

[JoeKing]

OMG! I agree with Rogah! Good point Rogah.

That should only tell you one thing... you should rethink your point.

 

[Dodger12]

I agree that the criteria should be stricter. That being said, if that is your criteria, there are guys that have done much less than Dungy in there already that I'd think you'd have more of an issue with.

Just curious which coaches are you referring to?

 

[mattjames2010]

Drug his teams down? I don't know about that one. When he left his respective teams they got worse. Philly and San Fran haven't been the same since. Cowboys surely haven't won 13 games since.

Well, San Fran got to the Super Bowl and championship game twice. But directly after, no, San Fran certainly wasn't the same once T.O. left. He was one of the main reasons Philly saw a Super Bowl.

 

[Dodger12]

You just made point. If pedophile gets in how can ANYBODY hold TO's locker room indiscretions against him.
Its hypocritical of those voting to say LT's off field issues matter not but TO's do.

OJ is in as well and he's had some issues. If LT had been arrested for his sexual indiscretions with a minor DURING his career, he'd have been done. But that was well after his career and his induction.

 

[muck4doo]

That should only tell you one thing... you should rethink your point.

What is it I should re-think? Explain.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

....Character matters to whom gets in the HoF so stop confusing that with deaths and permanent injuries....

Yes, I DO have issues with players that have been seriously in trouble with the law.

Having said that and knowing only the on field performance can be considered, being a locker room cancer is still fair game since it does affect how a team plays. QBs get points for being a positive locker room influence, so players like TO can be considered for being a negative locker room influence.

 

[DallasEast]

Who didn't foresee Owens not being enshrined on the first ballot?

I mean, who didn't see Owens not being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility years ago?







Well, I did but...

 

[JoeKing]

What is it I should re-think? Explain.

If someone you regularly disagree with suddenly says something you agree with then maybe it's you and them that is saying something inconsistent.